The Official HD 5800 Series Review thread

[mailman2]

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[lee63]

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[kaptkarl]

Tom's Hardware = :thumbdwn:

NVidia biased site IMHO. How about some legit reviews from some unbiased sites.

Kapt

[mtl]

Actually the founder of Tom's works at AMD so hardly biased for Nvidia.

[mailman2]

was hoping for more...

[lee63]

was hoping for more...The card is a single chip as fast as a 295 DX11 $100 less and uses less power.....what more do you want ???

[Heinz68]

Actually the founder of Tom's works at AMD so hardly biased for Nvidia.

Really and what is he doing at AMD?

Tom's Hardware was founded by Dr. Thomas Pabst, the site is now owned Bestofmedia Group company.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Hardware

Tom's Hardware used to be one of the best PC hardware guide site. From what I read on many forums, people post that Tom's Hardware now sucks.

Here one short article about the history.
How Tom's Hardware Guide pwnd the industry then lost it (http://hubpages.com/hub/How-Toms-Hardware-Guide-pwnd-the-industry-then-lost-it)

[wishiknew]

Tom doesn't like AF.

[claytonx]

I would trust a small review-site rather than Tom's Hardware. I remembered how they cheated on the Intel vs AMD stability test back then.

[mailman2]

The card is a single chip as fast as a 295 DX11 $100 less and uses less power.....what more do you want ???

well since my GTX 280 is already running 738 / 1566, I'd imagine the HD5870 would only be about 20% faster. So I dont really see the point in spending $400. I was really hoping to see games like GTA IVand Crysis really start to pull ahead from the GTX, unfortunately GTA IV is still CPU bottlenecked and Crysis only gained a few FPS I dont see this as a cost effective upgrade really.

Also, I had a few 4870s that just die on me within the first month of their lives... so I'd be worried about durability of the cards right now, oh and their drivers are always months behind with tweaks for new games. And, there is the loss of PhysX and CUDA. I guess when you look at it there is more to NV cards right now than just gaming performance.

[hell_of_doom227]

As I thought ATI Shader performance is not that good. Can't wait for GTX300!!!

I think 256bit mem bus and 1Gb is going to be a big problem for the card.

[Heinz68]

was hoping for more...

I agree with what lee63 said:
The card is a single chip as fast as a 295 DX11 $100 less and uses less power.....what more do you want ???

Here is a quote from the Tom's Hardware review conclusion. (Translated)
The new born consistently beat the GeForce GTX 285 remains in the wake of the Radeon HD 4870 X2 and sometimes is able to overcome the GeForce GTX 295.
Considering the price of 320 euros, the Radeon HD 5870 puts Nvidia in terms of having to give a sharp price cut to the GTX 295 and perhaps also have to review what the GTX 285.

I was very surprised with the GTX 295 lousy performance on 2560x1600 res.
Games like STALKER: Clear Sky (4xAA), Crysis (8x AA), HAWX (8x AA), Grand Theft Auto IV (No AA) did not score at all at that resolution.
Little strange since the GTX 295 was supposed to be the fastest card taking the performance crown away from HD 4870 X2. Based on that review it sure doesn't look like.

[mcbacker]

One more...

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[arohro]

I was very surprised with the GTX 295 lousy performance on 2560x1600 res.
Games like STALKER: Clear Sky (4xAA), Crysis (8x AA), HAWX (8x AA), Grand Theft Auto IV (No AA) did not score at all at that resolution.
Little strange since the GTX 295 was supposed to be the fastest card taking the performance crown away from HD 4870 X2. Based on that review it sure doesn't look like.


Thats due to the Vram limitation on the GTX 295 at that high of a resolution. In any other resolution or situation the GTX 295 creams the HD 4870 X2 never mind the fact the drivers are far better from Nvidia. Honestly........what percentage of gamers actually game on a 30"lcd anyway? Last time I checked the majority gamed on 22-24" lcd's.

With that said im not that impressed with what I have seen from the 5870 so far and Im glad because I will hang onto my GTX 275 a little while longer and save up for the GT 300 which will obliterate the HD 5870.

[lee63]

I got me one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856

[Heinz68]

well since my GTX 280 is already running 738 / 1566, I'd imagine the HD5870 would only be about 20% faster. So I dont really see the point in spending $400. I was really hoping to see games like GTA IVand Crysis really start to pull ahead from the GTX, unfortunately GTA IV is still CPU bottlenecked and Crysis only gained a few FPS I dont see this as a cost effective upgrade really.

Also, I had a few 4870s that just die on me within the first month of their lives... so I'd be worried about durability of the cards right now, oh and their drivers are always months behind with tweaks for new games. And, there is the loss of PhysX and CUDA. I guess when you look at it there is more to NV cards right now than just gaming performance.
You better go and read the review again. Sure there isn't GTX 280 in the review to compare but the GTX 285 was outperformed by the HD 5870 by good margin even in Crysis since you mentioned it.

About "I had a few 4870s that just die on me within the first month" very hard to believe. How many is few? Anyway the HD 4870 is not known as problem hardware. Actually it is the GTX 280 that had some problems at introduction, there was even a sticky about it on this forum. I think you talk as true blind nVidia fanboy.

As I thought ATI Shader performance is not that good. Can't wait for GTX300!!!

I think 256bit mem bus and 1Gb is going to be a big problem for the card.
Where did you read that? Only GTX 295 had some problem with memory in that review. Oh I forgot you have your own reviews in your head so why read them. As usual it didn't take much long before you come trolling in this thread.

Thats due to the Vram limitation on the GTX 295 at that high of a resolution. In any other resolution or situation the GTX 295 creams the HD 4870 X2 never mind the fact the drivers are far better from Nvidia. Honestly........what percentage of gamers actually game on a 30"lcd anyway? Last time I checked the majority gamed on 22-24" lcd's.

With that said im not that impressed with what I have seen from the 5870 so far and Im glad because I will hang onto my GTX 275 a little while longer and save up for the GT 300 which will obliterate the HD 5870.

I believe dual GPU card should perform well at high resolutions, it could be main reason why some people buy such card. Did you just sign up to troll in this this forum.
What is your real nick, don't be ashamed tell us.

[Heinz68]

I got me one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856

Great. That is a lower priced than predicted. I probably wait for the dual card.

[mailman2]

You better go and read the review again. Sure there isn't GTX 280 in the review to compare but the GTX 285 was outperformed by the HD 5870 by good margin even in Crysis since you mentioned it.

About "I had a few 4870s that just die on me within the first month" very hard to believe. How many is few? Anyway the HD 4870 is not known as problem hardware. Actually it is the GTX 280 that had some problems at introduction, there was even a sticky about it on this forum. I think you talk as true blind nVidia fanboy.

The GTX 285 and GTX 280 are identical save for the clock speeds. My GTX 280 runs faster than a stock GTX 285 (738core /1566 shader /1250 memory)...so you can do the math.

I had 3 x HD4870s die (2 were Sapphire) on me and a buddy had one die. I went back to Nvidia, a GTX 260 to be exact OC'd the hell outta it and when the GTX 280s dropped moved up to that, overclocked the hell outta it, water cooled it and havent looked back.

[Sazar]

I definitely want to see the dual-card solution of this pitted v/s the Nvidia dual-card solution that is upcoming for my next card :)

[lee63]

Great. That is a lower priced than predicted. I probably wait for the dual card.
Ill get another soon...how is Sapphire BTW ?

[arohro]

About "I had a few 4870s that just die on me within the first month" very hard to believe. How many is few? Anyway the HD 4870 is not known as problem hardware. Actually it is the GTX 280 that had some problems at introduction, there was even a sticky about it on this forum. I think you talk as true blind nVidia fanboy.

Actually it isnt hard to believe at all, the failure rate for the HD 4870 was fairly high when the card was first released.





I believe dual GPU card should perform well at high resolutions, it could be main reason why some people buy such card. Did you just sign up to troll in this this forum.
What is your real nick, don't be ashamed tell us.

You obviously have no idea how important Vram is for gaming on a 30"lcd.

Taken straight from tomshardware.com in regards to ram limitations for 2560x1600-

What happened to the GTX 295? This is one of those cases where 896 MB of memory per GPU is not enough.

[XMAN52373]

You better go and read the review again. Sure there isn't GTX 280 in the review to compare but the GTX 285 was outperformed by the HD 5870 by good margin even in Crysis since you mentioned it.

Interesting. When the 4870 launched, 30% performance lead on average for the GTX285 was concidered weak, now we have the reverse with the 5870 and its a good margin. Take off your rose colored glasses already. The 5870 trashes the 4870 but hardly does the same to the GTX285. But what it does offer is very good performance, 20-35% gains, over a GTX285 for about 50-70 bucks more along with DX11 support.

Another thing I noticed looking at the review was that performance gains in XFire over SLi GTX285s raised the bar to 35%, less in some games more in others, but still no where near a thrashing. But you like so many other ATI rosey red glass wearing people I read posting form on forums are marking this as some kind of coming of a savior.

I find most interesting is the fact that ATI doubled EVERYTHING about the 4870 to make 5870, included DX11 support and doesn't even come close to doubling performance cept for the most extreme cases.

[lee63]

Here is Guru 3Ds review... [H] coming at 9pm Pacific.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5870-review-test/

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