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Muppet

10-20-09, 03:37 AM

It is about MSI Big Bang P55 Motherboard with Lucid HYDRA 200 chip on board. To be officially released on 29 October, 2009. All this thread is about it.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/382/lucidhydratestsystem.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/i/lucidhydratestsystem.jpg/)

COUNTING DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION GAMING POWER (http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/)

The above counter is about days and hours before release.

Cool. I didn't think we would get the hardware so soon. Shame it is a P55 and not 1366 chipset. Still, it will be awesome to see it up and running with some numbers.

CaptNKILL

10-21-09, 09:33 AM

Well that was lame.

What's the point in having a counter count down to another counter. :p

Johnny C

10-21-09, 09:52 AM

Well that was lame.

What's the point in having a counter count down to another counter. :p

Generates extra FUD this way ;)

Heinz68

10-28-09, 06:24 AM

Nvidia talk about lucid hydra
Mr. Jen-Hsun huang, for the first time expressed its relation to lucid hydra 200 chip. According to him, this is a terrible idea. Drivers, applications and their optimization under SLI and CrossFire - without this multi-chip graphical solutions hardly can work, as considers NVIDIA leader . Let us recall that Lucid hydra rests on the hardware realization of video card acceleration , no drivers for the work of the corresponding chip will be required. Mr. Juan adds, that SLI and CrossFire is widely accessible on the market - in this on what their competitive advantage consists.
Read more at xtreview.com (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-10397-view-Nvidia-talk-about-lucid-hydra.html)

Looks like JHH is not to excited about this, no wonder since NVIDIA is still selling SLI licensing or the expensive NF200 SLI chip. If this works there might not be much need for it. Actually there isn't much need for it even if the Lucid Hydra 200 doesn't work as previewed.

Anyway many people are little skeptical about the Lucid Hydra. That's why I'm waiting for the MSI Big Bang introduction, now only few hours away. Hope to see lots of independent reviews.
COUNTING DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION GAMING POWER (http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/)

jolle

10-28-09, 06:50 AM

sorta hard to decipher that "english" though, sounds like something run through babelfish.

Heinz68

10-28-09, 08:32 AM

sorta hard to decipher that "english" though, sounds like something run through babelfish.

I Googled the complete version of the interview.

Here the Lucid Hydra part:
CHW: What do you think about the Lucid Hydra 200 Chip?
JHH: I don’t know, it sounds like terrible idea. There is so much software going on, drivers, applications and optimization that to think that there is no software is a bad idea, too much to expect. Plus SLI and Crossfire are available to anybody.

There is also Spanish version of the interview in the link (http://www.chw.net/2009/10/chw-entrevista-a-jen-hsun-huang/2/#).

Anyway what i think is, if the Lucid Hydra will work as promoted than it is a great idea, if it doesn't than it's back to drawing board. :) We will find out soon.
COUNTING DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION GAMING POWER (http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/)

Heinz68

10-28-09, 02:24 PM

ANOTHER DELAY, why wait till last day to announce it?

Guru3D (http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi-big-bang-fuzion-hydra--motherboard-delayed/) is reporting that the MSI Big Bang motherboards with Lucid Hydra is delayed to Q1 2010.

MSI Big Bang Fuzion (Hydra) motherboard Scheduled for Q1 2010
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, October 29, 2009 - 4:03 PM

Okay first off, we need to clear up some things. As you guys know MSI will release a motherboard with the Lucid HYDRA chip. After a chat with MSI I have just learned that this motherboard in fact is scheduled for Q1 2010, and not next month as initially expected and rumored.

I also need to make a correction, we mentioned that the Fuzion motherboard would be an X58 motherboard with the Hydra chip, that is not correct.

MSI Big Bang motherboards:

* MSI P55 GD80 Fuzion = with the Lucid Hydra chip -- this motherboard has been delayed to Q1 2010.
* MSI P55 GD80 Trinergy = with the NVIDIA NF200 chip (adds additional PCIe lanes to the motherboard) and thus is likely tri-SLI ready.

We hope that clears up some stuff, and what a bummer that the Hydra based motherboards have been delayed and again .. only P55 motherboards will get either an NF200 or Lucid Hydra ASIC.

Tomorrow we'll have some more info about the Big Bang gaming series motherboards.

newparad1gm

10-29-09, 12:58 AM

Just read about this. What a huge disappointment. Guess I'll just jump on a fairly inexpensive Gigabyte P55-UD2 mATX motherboard, as I would just have an ATI 5870 and i7 860 sitting around doing nothing otherwise. Then I'll upgrade to the Big Bang when it finally materializes. Unless MSI continues to push it as vaporware.

Muppet

10-29-09, 02:58 AM

Read more at xtreview.com (http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-10397-view-Nvidia-talk-about-lucid-hydra.html)

Looks like JHH is not to excited about this, no wonder since NVIDIA is still selling SLI licensing or the expensive NF200 SLI chip. If this works there might not be much need for it. Actually there isn't much need for it even if the Lucid Hydra 200 doesn't work as previewed.

Anyway many people are little skeptical about the Lucid Hydra. That's why I'm waiting for the MSI Big Bang introduction, now only few hours away. Hope to see lots of independent reviews.
COUNTING DOWN TO THE NEXT GENERATION GAMING POWER (http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/)

The NF200 chip is not needed today as there are no Graphics cards that are fast enough to saturate the PCI-e bus and use the full speed in multi GPU configurations. We probably won't see that for at least the next 2 years and by that time we will have new motherboards with better features. Really the NF200 chip is a waste.

LordJuanlo

11-11-09, 11:04 AM

LUCID HYDRA TESTED!!!

HotHardware had the chance to bench (http://hothardware.com/Articles/Lucid-Hydra-200-MultiGPU-Performance-Revealed/) the Lucid Hydra chip using single 4890, single GTX 260, dual 4890, dual GTX 260 and 4890 + GTX 260 mix. It looks like the thing works, even in DX10.

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1414/lucid_gui2.jpg

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1414/lucid_juarez2.png

Heinz68

11-11-09, 01:51 PM

josiahsuarez

11-11-09, 05:05 PM

wow, it works!

Muppet

11-11-09, 10:46 PM

wow, it works!

And works very nicely by the looks of things.

Xion X2

11-11-09, 10:52 PM

Muppet

11-11-09, 11:15 PM

I've been waiting for this thing for a long time. If those benches are legit, I just may buy this thing for the build I'm working on.

And an edit to say I can't believe these review sites are STILL benching 3dMark06....

It would be nice to see. The only real drawback is that it can't see more than one GPU on multi-GPU cards. So you won't be able to max out X2 or GX2 cards. Not an issue if you only run single GPU cards. Other than that it is very capable.

CaptNKILL

11-11-09, 11:31 PM

I wonder if any kind of microstutter, lag or other visual anomaly will crop up after more people get their hands on these things.

Xion X2

11-13-09, 12:33 PM

It would be nice to see. The only real drawback is that it can't see more than one GPU on multi-GPU cards. So you won't be able to max out X2 or GX2 cards. Not an issue if you only run single GPU cards. Other than that it is very capable.

Is that in writing or are people just theorizing that it can't recognize the second GPU? I guess that would make sense if it bypasses Xfire/SLI totally.

Slight drawback, but I think two GPUs are the sweet spot for gaming these days.

Muppet

11-13-09, 07:14 PM

Is that in writing or are people just theorizing that it can't recognize the second GPU? I guess that would make sense if it bypasses Xfire/SLI totally.

Slight drawback, but I think two GPUs are the sweet spot for gaming these days.

There was a link around here somewhere that had it. I will try and find it again.

Heinz68

11-17-09, 04:47 AM

There was a link around here somewhere that had it. I will try and find it again.
You could have read it at PCPerspective (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=815&type=expert&pid=3) "Lucid HYDRA 200 Multi-GPU Technology Performance Preview" or some other preview.
Other Notes – Random information I couldn’t figure out where to place
As of this writing, dual GPU graphics cards like the GeForce GTX 295 are not going to work with Lucid’s HYDRA technology in the way you want it to. Essentially, because the two GPUs behind the PCI Express bridge chips on the graphics boards (both NVIDIA and ATI) are “hidden” to the system, the HYDRA driver will only be able access one of them. This is a bit of a letdown for us as the idea of having a single GTX 295 and then throwing in an HD 5870 sounded very appealing, it doesn’t appear Lucid will be able to get that working.

Muppet

11-17-09, 08:38 AM

You could have read it at PCPerspective (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=815&type=expert&pid=3) "Lucid HYDRA 200 Multi-GPU Technology Performance Preview" or some other preview.

That was the link. Thank you for that. :)

Heinz68

11-19-09, 03:40 PM

Here (http://www.sav-computer.com/les-news-f4/msi-p55-big-bang-fuzion-hydra-200-t644.html) are the the spec for the MSi P55-Fuzion [MS-7582 ver:1.0] (Lucid Hydra 200) board.

To me it looks like the Hydra 200 is not going to make it big time. Maybe that's why NVIDIA does not worry much about it.

The multi vendor solution needs working drivers from both NVIDIA and AMD/ATI in addition to the Hydra drivers.

I'm not to crazy about mixing and maintaining all the drivers on my system. I was more interested if HYDRA will improve the performance of SLI or Crossfire.

The only reason I would have drivers and cards on my system from both vendors would be for the NVIDIA PhysX. According to the article it will work with the 3rd GPU card.
MAJ/EDIT du 19.11.2009 10:00 GMT
Using PhysX/Physics with 3rd GPU
The HYDRA driver enables to use a 3rd GPU card installed on the system for PhysX/Physics calculation.
In order to active this feature:
- A 3rd GPU should be installed on the available PCI-E slot.
- The 3rd GPU can be a much lower performance that the other 2 GPUs (for example, 2x GTX260 for graphic enhancement and 1x GT9600 for PhysX/Physics).
Not much help for me, I have 2 GPU on one card which hydra will not support.

Anyway I think the best solution is to get the best card from either vendor and sell the older cards till it still has some value, instead of mixing it up with the newer card.