Nvidia on its way out?

[Lfctony]

This is the article mentioned in the front page. Discuss...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/

Massive engineering failures and cover-ups, starting with Bumpgate, have defined the company for the last two years. More recently, this includes the G212 failure, G214 fiasco and failure, now morphed into the G215 which is 3Q late so far, if it can ever be made profitably, and the G216 and G218 with the broken GDDR5 controllers. One or two failures are understandable, this many is flat out mismanagement.

What? Who? How?

[JH24]

Not sure what to make of this. I mean, its Charlie we're talking about.


If there is even a bit of truth in his statements, then its not good news for Nvidia though. But again, who knows.

[Airbrushkid]

Yeah it seems that Charlie is a joke.

[mtl]

This from the same moron who predicted the 2900 would destroy the 8800GTX.
Please. He's like Saddam Hussein's propaganda minister.

[Sazar]

This from the same moron who predicted the 2900 would destroy the 8800GTX.
Please. He's like Saddam Hussein's propaganda minister.

It totally would destroy it in a fight.

Did you SEE the 2900? If I threw it against an 8800gtx, it would DEFINITELY cause damage :bleh:

[LordJuanlo]

I already saw this article, and I call it BS

[mullet]

Nvidia Abandons Market????? (http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/07/nvidia_abandons_market6363636363/)

As many of our readers have been discussing Charlie's recent article. There is some serious scuttlebutt going around about NVIDIA's market intentions. Here is what Charlie Demerjian lead with yesterday. [H]ardOCP

NVIDIA IS KILLING the GTX260, GTX275, and GTX285 with the GTX295 almost assured to follow as it (Nvidia: NVDA) abandons the high and mid range graphics card market. Due to a massive series of engineering failures, nearly all of the company's product line is financially under water, and mismanagement seems to be killing the company.

You can find the rest of the article here (http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/).

I have known Charlie for a long time and have shared time with him all over the globe, and I will say that there is almost always a basis of truth in his stories. That said, there is almost always a reach to dramatize and spin the article into line with what I think are personal motivations. Regardless of your opinion on this, I see what Charlie writes as "Tech Tabloid" and I think most of us will agree on this.

Headlines like Charlie is writing now should not go unanswered, so we asked NVIDIA for an official statement as to this topic so we could publish it for [H] readers, and here it is from Ken Brown at NVIDIA PR:

Hi Kyle,

Thanks for asking.

There is no truth to this. Charlie has become a sponsored site of his sole advertiser. It's no coincidence his website looks like an AMD ad.

Please let your readers know, and let us know if you have any more questions.

Thanks.




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NVIDIA Statement on Chipset Business (http://www.hardocp.com/news/2009/10/08/nvidia_statement_on_chipset_business)

NVIDIA's Ken Brown wanted to give us NVIDIA's thoughts on the current state of its chipset business. So here it is in its full text.
From [H]ardOCP
Hi,

We've received a number of inquiries recently about NVIDIA's chipset (MCP) business. We'd like to set the record straight on current and future NVIDIA chipset activity.

On Intel platforms, the NVIDIA GeForce 9400M/ION brands have enjoyed significant sales, as well as critical success. Customers including Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, Acer, ASUS and others are continuing to incorporate GeForce 9400M and ION products in their current designs. There are many customers that have plans to use ION or GeForce 9400M chipsets for upcoming designs, as well.

On AMD platforms, we continue to sell a higher quantity of chipsets than AMD itself. MCP61-based platforms continue to be extremely well positioned in the entry CPU segments where AMD CPUs are most competitive vs. Intel

We will continue to innovate integrated solutions for Intel’s FSB architecture. We firmly believe that this market has a long healthy life ahead. But because of Intel’s improper claims to customers and the market that we aren’t licensed to the new DMI bus and its unfair business tactics, it is effectively impossible for us to market chipsets for future CPUs. So, until we resolve this matter in court next year, we’ll postpone further chipset investments for Intel DMI CPUs.

Despite Intel's actions, we have innovative products that we are excited to introduce to the market in the months ahead. We know these products will bring with them some amazing breakthroughs that will surprise the industry, just as GeForce 9400M and ION have shaken up the industry this year.

We expect our MCP business for both Intel and AMD to be strong well into the future.

Let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your interest.

Best,

Ken

[LydianKnight]

Hahaha I've laughed quite a lot with this article from Mr. Demerjian, but from my own interpretation, it's more-or-less well (quite bad in fact, but anyway...) orchestrated...

This is what we could call a '1+1', I mean... ATI's offerings are beginning to appear on the market, whereas NVIDIA still doesn't have any card out there based on the new GT300 architecture... so in the end, looks like he's trying to take advantage of that.

The final purpose of his viral (as always) article is to try to destabilize NVIDIA's current market flow in terms of graphics cards sales, so he's trying to get a double shot. From one hand he spits at NVIDIA and at the same time, tries to attract possible and potential GPU buyers (those who want a next-gen card) to the ATI side.

FAIL xD

[josiahsuarez]

IMO charlie's articles are only semi-accurate

in this case, yes production of the previous generation cards is being drawn down, but that is not because Nvidia is closing it's doors. they don't want to have a big inventory of GXX2XX chips to sell through once Fermi boards are reviewed/launched. at that point selling the remaining inventory would be very difficult without steep discounts.

[Galvin]

Sounds like Charlie is trying to drive Nvidia's stock down.

[Bman212121]

Sounds like Charlie is trying to drive Nvidia's stock down.

You actually might have a valid point there. Makes me wonder what type of investments he might have.

[CaptNKILL]

You actually might have a valid point there. Makes me wonder what type of investments he might have.

Or maybe he knows that GT300 will be a monster and he's just looking to bring the prices of their stock down now so he can buy low and sell high. :bleh:


:p

[Drolfrawd]

Crap
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[Bman212121]

Or maybe he knows that GT300 will be a monster and he's just looking to bring the prices of their stock down now so he can buy low and sell high. :bleh:


:p

Yea, that would be the idea behind it. Kind of like people buying up a lot of stock in a company then rapidly selling it all to make the price go down. Instead of buying into it he is just being able to distribute enough FUD that could cause the stock to go down. Obviously that sounds a little far fetched but you never know what kind of motives someone might have.

[hectorsm]

Guys...I'm sure Charlie make money on traffic. The more ridiculous the article the more attention his site gets.

[Heinz68]

Or maybe he knows that GT300 will be a monster and he's just looking to bring the prices of their stock down now so he can buy low and sell high. :bleh:


:p

I think most people are not so stupid to base their investment decision on an article from a site named SemiAccurate.

PS
The same would be to take investment advice from a site named Fudzilla.

[slaWter]

He just wants more clicks on his site... Useless article as always.

[NoWayDude]

I think most people are not so stupid to base their investment decision on an article from a site named SemiAccurate.


Something like that, wouldn't surprise me at all

Reading all the intelligent people that quote Charlie whenever he bashes Nvidia, although they should know better than that.

If they are so interested in knowing where he gets is info, they should contact the people that pay for 99% of is advertisement.

But then again, showing the red team as the devil does not suit some people....

[josiahsuarez]

people like to root for the underdog

http://psychcentral.com/news/2007/12/24/why-do-we-root-for-the-underdog/1699.html
Home » News » Psychology News » Why Do We Root for the Underdog?


Why Do We Root for the Underdog?
By Psych Central News Editor
Reviewed by John M. Grohol, Psy.D. on December 24, 2007

CrowdWhy do people root for the underdog and find underdogs appealing?

Researchers propose that those who are viewed as disadvantaged arouse people’s sense of fairness and justice — important principles to most people.

The researchers also found that people tend to believe that underdogs put forth more effort than top-dogs, but that favorable evaluation disappeared when the underdog status no longer applies, such as when people are expected to lose but have a lot of available resources.

In a series of studies, researchers Joseph A. Vandello, Nadav P. Goldschmied, and David A. R. Richards of the University of South Florida tested the scope of people’s support for those who are expected to lose. The researchers were seeking to understand why people are drawn to the Rocky Balboas and the Davids (versus Goliaths) of the world.

Using both sports and political examples, the researchers asked study participants to react to various scenarios presenting different competitors with an advantage or disadvantage. For instance, in one study using the Israeli and Palestinian conflict, the participants were given the same essay about the history of the area, but with different maps to reference — one showing Palestine as smaller than Israel (and thus, the underdog) and the other showing Israel as smaller.

No matter what scenario the participants were presented with, they consistently favored the underdog to win.

that explanation seems to fit with the reasons why some people have a dislike for nvidia and their "unfair business practices"

[Muppet]

people like to root for the underdog

http://psychcentral.com/news/2007/12/24/why-do-we-root-for-the-underdog/1699.html


that explanation seems to fit with the reasons why some people have a dislike for nvidia and their "unfair business practices"

The same can be said for most successful businesses. You only have to look at the way people come down hard on Intel and especially Microsoft.

[doom3ed_player]

nvidiaaagaargh

[josiahsuarez]

The same can be said for most successful businesses. You only have to look at the way people come down hard on Intel and especially Microsoft.

yeah that's true. I wish there wasn't so much hyperbole and emotion involved when people talk about IT. sometimes it's like a soap opera :headexplode:

[Buio]

Guys...I'm sure Charlie make money on traffic. The more ridiculous the article the more attention his site gets.

Indeed, his tactics are working. The more sensational and ridiculous stuff he posts, the more hits he gets. No wonder he keeps going down that road.

[Fotis]

Its seems that Nvidia will be 4-5 months late giving an answer to 58xx series and only in the high end.Moreover "even if" GF100 ends up faster than 5870 it wont be faster than 5870X2 which is coming in a month with a 500$ price tag.

Nvidia isnt going anywhere anytime soon.If they could survive the nv30 era I'm sure they'll be fine in this case too.

[Buio]

Moreover "even if" GF100 ends up faster than 5870 it wont be faster than 5870X2 which is coming in a month with a 500$ price tag.

And in a lot of cases a GTX 295 is faster than a 5870 and when not faster, on the same pace (excluding HAWKS).