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archagon
06-27-03, 06:52 PM
My card works too slowly. It's a non-MX GeForce4 something, so it's pretty topnotch. However, newer games, even on medium setting, are too jittery. 3DMark's results are lower by a few thousand points than other computers exactly like mine. Considering that this happened with previous cards, it's probably my computer, but we're out of ideas as to what could be wrong. P4 1.5 Ghz, 256MB RAM. Please help!

stncttr908
06-27-03, 08:03 PM
First, please be more specific on your type of card. Right clicking your desktop, clicking properties, and then the settings tab will display your monitor and card information. Give us that. Second, we need to know what version drivers you're using. In that same settings tab, click advanced. In there, there should be a tab with the nvidia logo. Click that. Next, there should be a box that says "Driver Version Information" above it. Give us the last four digits in the version number of any file.

Also, please if you could give us a few more specs on your computer. It sounds to me like your system is running a SDRAM chipset. Other scores there are listed with DDR or Rambus chipsets and memory most likely. That is where you're failing. As for the stuttering, which games does this occur in? Also, can you list the other cards that have had this problem?

P.S. No offense if you know how to find such things as the driver version number already. Just making sure since you're not really quite sure what card you have anyway. :)

john19055
06-27-03, 09:04 PM
Yes really need to no if it is a TI4200, Ti4400, TI4600 ,or a TI4800

b00bie
06-27-03, 09:12 PM
It might just as well be your RAM. If it's SDRAM and you have 256MB of it, it might cause you some problems. Meaning whenever there would be any swapping going on in your memory, it could cause some stuutering in your game.
But if you could give some more specs, plz do. And if it's a stock puter, which one is it? ;)

archagon
06-27-03, 10:13 PM
It's not that I wasn't sure. I was just using my laptop.

Okay, it's a GeForce4 Ti4200. The other card with similar difficulties was a GeForce3.

It's not that it stutters all the time...it's just much slower than it should be.

RDRAM.

john19055
06-27-03, 10:22 PM
I don't no what your scores were But with a P4 1.5g in most cases the P3 1g will out perform it in games and benchmarks due to the difference in the design of the cores.

archagon
06-27-03, 10:29 PM
I checked with the scorefinder, however.

Computers with the same specs as me had more marks.

archagon
07-26-03, 03:11 AM
Well? Anybody?

nIghtorius
07-26-03, 10:45 AM
did you install your AGP drivers for your mainboard?. these really make a huge difference in performance.

my setup scores about 8000 marks (2001) without AGP drivers and well above 13000 marks (2001) with AGP drivers.

and this performance difference is also felt in games.

archagon
07-26-03, 06:21 PM
Maybe this is why I'm having all these problems!

What are AGP drivers though? And what's a mainboard? I've never even heard of 'em...well, I'm kindof new to the whole techie thing, so pardon my newbiness.

If you mean motherboard, where can I find drivers for a DFI motherboard?

archagon
08-18-03, 11:23 PM
Great, now Will Rock is running at like 2 frames per second when i look at cliffs.

Please help!

yoladude
08-19-03, 01:34 AM
Originally posted by archagon
If you mean motherboard, where can I find drivers for a DFI motherboard?

try the dfi website, it's right here:

www.dfi.com.tw

its amazing what a google search can do.

but as far as your system, i have a geforce4 too, and it's a helluva card; i'd suggest that first of all, you upgrade your ram, second of all, upgrade your cpu to 2ghz+. upgrade your vid card later on down the line.

nIghtorius
08-19-03, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by archagon
Maybe this is why I'm having all these problems!

What are AGP drivers though? And what's a mainboard? I've never even heard of 'em...well, I'm kindof new to the whole techie thing, so pardon my newbiness.

If you mean motherboard, where can I find drivers for a DFI motherboard?

I suspect your (main/mother)board uses the Intel 850 RDRAM chipset. on the intel site you can find the drivers here:

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?url=/5811/eng/infinst_enu.exe&ProductID=816

just download the file and run it. it will install the AGP/IDE/NB/SB drivers for your (main/mother)board and will ask you to reboot.

after reboot. the required drivers should be loaded now.

archagon
09-03-03, 01:17 AM
Still no change...

This sucks, nobody knows anything about this. Maybe it IS my RAM, but somehow I doubt that...

dirtydog
09-03-03, 07:38 AM
Have you tried running dxdiag? (Start..run..dxdiag)

Is your card running in AGP 4x mode? If AGP texturing is disabled in dxdiag, that would explain slowness and stuttering.

Can you post your 3dmark compare URL?

archagon
09-19-03, 07:12 PM
Would somebody please post the expected FPS's/benchmarks for my setup? Preferably Day of Defeat, Call of Duty, or (lessee) Counter-Strike.

I have a 7xxx benchmark now, but everything is still slow. DOD works at like 20fps.

stncttr908
09-19-03, 07:13 PM
Counter-strike and DoD should be doing the max fps possible, which is 99. Call of duty should do I'd say at least 50fps with all of the details cranked on a 10x7 resolution.

Rogozhin
09-19-03, 07:51 PM
Post your dxdiagnostic so we know what the hell is going on.

start>run>dxdiagn>enter.

copy and paste.

rogo

archagon
09-19-03, 09:10 PM
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System Information
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Time of this report: 9/19/2003, 19:08:42
Machine name: Archagon
Operating System: Windows Me (4.90, Build 3000)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: n/a
System Model: n/a
BIOS: Award
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz
Memory: 256MB RAM
Page File: 144MB used, 1648MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 4.09.0000.0902 32bit

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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: The file nvdisp.drv is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Sound Tab 1: The file EMU10K1.VXD is not digitally signed, which means that it has not been tested by Microsoft's Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL). You may be able to get a WHQL logo'd driver from the hardware manufacturer.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type:
DAC type:
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0253&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\000800
Display Memory: 63.5 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit)(optimal refresh rate)
Monitor: PHILIPS 107P2
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nvdisp.drv
Driver Version: 4.14.0010.4403 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 5/2/2003 15:19:00, 107296 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: No
WHQL Date Stamp: None
VDD: *vdd
Mini VDD: nvmini.vxd
Mini VDD Date: , 0 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4113-11CF-8372-0A2002C2C935}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0253
SubSys ID: 0x00000000
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Revision ID: 0x00A3
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run

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Sound Devices
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Description: DirectSound (SB Live! Wave Out [1080])
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102&REV_07\58F000
Manufacturer ID: 2
Product ID: 104
Type: VXD
Driver Name: EMU10K1.VXD
Driver Version: 4.12.0001.0905 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: No
Date and Size: 9/7/2000 19:15:12, 382541 bytes
Other Files: emu10k1.vxd
Driver Provider: Creative
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 100000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 32, 32
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 32, 32
HW Memory: 524288
Voice Management: Yes
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: Not run

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: SB Live! Wave In [1080] (emulated)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name:
Driver Version:
Driver Attributes:
Date and Size:
Cap Flags: 0x20
Format Flags: 0xFFF

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DirectMusic
-----------
DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\gm.dls
DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
Acceleration: n/a
Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
MIDI Mapper, Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
Creative S/W Synth, Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
A: SB Live! MIDI Synth, Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
B: SB Live! MIDI Synth, Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
SB Live! MIDI Out [1080], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, External
SB Live! MIDI In [1080], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Input, No DLS, External
Registry: OK
Test Result: Not run

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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: Yes
Registry: OK

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USB Devices
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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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DirectPlay Service Providers
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DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (4.09.0000.0900)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (4.09.0000.0900)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Not run, Half Duplex: Not run, Mic: Not run
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

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DirectPlay Adapters
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DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Intel DC21143 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter -
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM2

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DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

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DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 24.7 GB
Total Space: 48.4 GB
File System: FAT32
Model: IDE DISK TYPE47

Drive: D:
Free Space: 17.3 GB
Total Space: 19.5 GB
File System: FAT32
Model: IDE DISK TYPE47

Drive: E:
Model: HITACHI DVD-ROM GD-2500

Drive: F:
Model: BTC BCE1610IM

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Inactive Display Entries in Registry
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Card name:

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Inactive Sound Entries in Registry
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Card name: AC'97 Driver for Intel(r) 82801 Controller
Driver: wdmaud.drv

archagon
09-27-03, 06:19 PM
Grr. My 1.5P4 with a GF4Ti4200 w/256MB RDRAM is running DOD at 30 f-ing fps in some of the rainy levels!!! What the hell is going on?!

I think it's something with my comp. The last card behaved similarly.

theultimo
09-27-03, 07:09 PM
It could be a ME issue..:D

Is EAX running?
Inter chipset drivers installed?

Hard to tell, CS/DoD/HL(Steam Version) engine i am getting 99 pegged, the only game i really have probs with is Halo beta, which can be attritubuted to it being a beta...:P

Also, what res you trying? I've had the best luck with 1024x768, and sometimes (Like UT2k3), I have to tweak the settings a bit to hover 40-60.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that 64/128MB Difference might be a prob too in the newer titles.

archagon
09-27-03, 08:27 PM
EAX isn't running.
Yes latest Intel drivers, maybe I should defrag my HD?

I play at 1024.

micronX
09-27-03, 09:17 PM
Geez, knowing it's a Windows Me machine opens up a whole nother can of worms for this guy. Maybe he can system restore back a month or so?

micronX
09-27-03, 09:20 PM
I'd make sure that there arent a bunch of useless background programs running. I would use Spybot or AdAware. I would use Detonator RIP and install the 51.75's:cool: I would........replace my OS if that didnt work.

theultimo
09-28-03, 05:12 PM
Oh, also Steam has problems, some people with 9800's are getting 40 FPS in DOD on a high end computer.....

Its mostly STEAM's and Valves fault for that. If you look at the MB's at http://www.steampowered.com, about every 10th CS thread is about FPS issues. Valve has refused to comment.

{EDIT} SPeling....