View Full Version : Enough with specs and standards conformance... now... it's price guessing time!!
LydianKnight
11-01-09, 01:05 PM
Ok, now that we have Fermi launch closer (or at least in the near horizon), enough with specs, this-can-do/this-can't-do, tesselator/no-tesselator, and other {,un}interesting topics, I think it's time we do a bit of guesswork and make an opinion on price...
So let's comment about it... how about MAX willing-to-spend price / MAX launch-price?
Julio
LydianKnight
11-01-09, 01:08 PM
I'd say for me... $550 (as much as I can go, or better said... want to go)
CaptNKILL
11-01-09, 03:12 PM
Realistically I think it'll be $600.
I think they would greatly benefit from releasing it at $500 or less though.
Its obviously going to be a monster, but the competition from ATI is easily the strongest they've seen since the 9700 Pro. Not too many people are going to be spending $600 on a graphics card unless it completely murders everything else and offers useful exclusive features.
They've already lost the ability to repeat the 8800GTX release since they've been beat to DX11 (8800 was the first DX10 card).
So... maybe we'll see a compromise. I vote $550 MSRP.
What I'm willing to spend will depend on how ridiculously fast this card is and how good it is in other areas. If it runs way too hot, sucks 300 watts out of the wall at idle and makes too much noise, there's no way I'm spending that kind of money on it since a cheaper refresh without the problems would be right around the corner.
It should be no more than $450 I would think.
josiahsuarez
11-01-09, 03:29 PM
I think they'll have two versions initially, probably with $100 separating them. I'm thinking GTX 380 at $500 and GTX 360 at $400. just a guess!
nekrosoft13
11-01-09, 04:41 PM
450 for me
I'm thinking they'll launch the 380 at $550. After reading the thread though I realise you wanted what I'd pay... Well I'd probably pay no more than $500.
Hopefully the GTX360 is competitive with the 5870. What's funny about last gen is that the 260 at launch was on par with the 4870 but ATI seemed to catch up more with their drivers. Looking at reviews these days the last revisions from each, the 4890 beats the 275 in most cases especially with AA/AF.
This is gonna be a tricky one for NV. It's looking like it's gonna be a monster, but the 5870 is a damn good card for <£300. Do they price it high and hope we think it's good enough to pay it, or price it low and hope they sell **** loads. With ATI doing as well as they are, NV will have to be very careful how they play this one. Personally my limit will be about £350, but only if it's worth it. It'll have to blow SLI'd 260's out the water, though.
CaptNKILL
11-01-09, 07:44 PM
If they release the top end Fermi at $450 and its as fast as the rumors say I'll buy one for sure.
Redeemed
11-01-09, 08:43 PM
If they release the top end Fermi at $450 and its as fast as the rumors say I'll buy one for sure.
And what rumors would you be referring to? I've yet to see anything about Fermi performance, at least game related. Nothing that would allow us to compare it to currently released cards, that is.
If it can match or exceed a pair of GTX260 Core216s for $450, I could possibly talk myself into getting one.
Atomizer
11-01-09, 09:54 PM
honestly, im not expecting a cheap launch, and im not up with USD prices, so ill go with AUD, the 5870 is between $550 and $600 AUD, my guess is the high end Fermi will be at least $650 AUD, more likely $700 AUD or higher, this is based on what I know from rumours, as theres no solid info to base this on, apart from the fact that Fermi has 3 billion transistors, alot more then the 5870 has, which means just from that alone its gonna be more expensive.
I really do hope its not a close race though, I want Fermi to be as beastly as the rumours, which would without a doubt place it above $700 AUD.
For USD prices, I voted $550, because from the transistor count alone it should hopefully be a good deal faster, but as I said I am not sure of USD pricing and not sure how much a 5870 is in USD.
CaptNKILL
11-01-09, 10:40 PM
And what rumors would you be referring to? I've yet to see anything about Fermi performance, at least game related. Nothing that would allow us to compare it to currently released cards, that is.
If it can match or exceed a pair of GTX260 Core216s for $450, I could possibly talk myself into getting one.
There was a thread here a couple weeks ago that showed some pretty absurd performance numbers in a youtube video of a supposedly leaked nvidia slide show.
The video was BS for sure, and its likely the numbers were as well, but if they had any truth to them, I'd be all over that card.
Redeemed
11-01-09, 10:48 PM
There was a thread here a couple weeks ago that showed some pretty absurd performance numbers in a youtube video of a supposedly leaked nvidia slide show.
The video was BS for sure, and its likely the numbers were as well, but if they had any truth to them, I'd be all over that card.
Oh yeah, now I remembers. :o :( :lol:
If I had the cash available, I'd be all over it as well. :p
AthlonXP1800
11-02-09, 12:37 AM
I think $550 for flagship GTX 380, $500 for GTX 360 and $450 for GTX 340.
Heinz68
11-02-09, 07:42 AM
Without any gaming performance leaks, it's very hard to speculate what is the Launch Price going to be.
At this stage $450 to $600+ guess for the top performance Fermi could be right one.
Hard to really say on this one. Supposenly Nvidia is going to have a dual version as well towards the end of the year. To me I can't see Nvidia charging less then $699 for that one if it appears. How much they can charge really comes done to overall cost of card, yield issues, availability and how it performs compared to ATI's offereings. I get the feeling Nvidia is going to lauch Fermi first for the Tesla line with A1 silicon and wait for A2 or A3 for the gaming market but I certainly don't know. Fermi has some really interesting capabilities that can be used right now with GPU computing solutions, so any dismal yield issues with A1 silicon is immaterial for that market. For gamers I don't see anything from Nvidia in volume until next year.
Crow_Nest
11-03-09, 04:38 AM
I hope its $450. Or release two versions of it and seperate them by $50 - $100.
LordJuanlo
11-03-09, 07:27 AM
Fermi should compete with dual 5870 card, so if performance is between 1.5x and 2x faster than single 5870, I'm guessing a $550 price
Redeemed
11-03-09, 11:58 AM
Fermi should compete with dual 5870 card, so if performance is between 1.5x and 2x faster than single 5870, I'm guessing a $550 price
Yeah, I *highly* doubt that a single GTX380 will be any where near twice as fast as a single 5870. I can see maybe a 20-50% performance difference, at best, but nothing more.
My expectation is that the GTX360 will be on par with the 2GB 5870. The GTX380 will lag the 5970 (formerly known as the 5870x2) by a decent amount, but the GTX395 will trump all, and for a hefty price tag.
That's my performance lineup. Prices? I have no idea. I expect rather high, higher than both AMD and nVidia would like, due to the yeild issues and lack of supply. TSMC really screwed the pooch for both companies. If I were either one of them, I'd be seeking a different company. And I seem to recall rumours of AMD going with GF for the next gen.
There are already leaked slides of next gen ATI GPU's being 32nm which would suggest GF since TSMC are meant to be skipping to 28nm for bulk. 32nm should be good enough if they do end up releasing a new arch late next year and they can always do a refresh on 28nm when the teething problems are ironed out.
Got to agree that GTX380 will sit between 5870 and 5970, I don't see it outperforming 5870 by more than 50%. If it does, I'll probably buy one.
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