View Full Version : HD 5970 NDA to expire 19th November
Heinz68
11-11-09, 04:50 PM
AMD Radeon HD 5970 Specs Surface
TechPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/108038/AMD_Radeon_HD_5970_Specs_Surface.html), Wednesday, November 11 2009
In a few days from now, AMD will unveil its new flagship graphics accelerator, the ATI Radeon HD 5970, which will intends to cement the brand's performance leadership over every product from rival NVIDIA. The HD 5970, codenamed "Hemlock", is a dual-GPU accelerator, with two codenamed "Cypress" GPUs in an internal CrossfireX configuration.
Built on the 40 nm process, these GPUs will feature 1600 stream processors each, and will each have a 256-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface to connect to 2 GB of memory (4 GB total on card). The clock speeds are where the specifications of these GPUs differ from their single-GPU avatar, the Radeon HD 5870. The core is clocked at 725 MHz, while the memory runs at 1000 MHz (4000 MHz effective).
The accelerator will not have a rear panel identical to those of other Radeon HD 5000 series accelerators. It has the usual broad air vent occupying one slot, while the other has two DVI-D and one mini DisplayPort (DP) connector. The mini DP connector can give out DVI output using a dongle, and in this way, support for ATI Eyefinity technology remains intact. The NDA covering this accelerator is said to expire on the 19th of November, not very far away.
Hope to see the card in stores at the same time.
Not to happy about the rumored reduced clock speed compared to HD 5870 but the HD 5970 should be about $200 cheaper compared to two HD 5870.
Plus I prefer to have the Crossfire on single card mainly due to limited PCI-E slots on my setup, anyway waiting for the benchmarks.
The Sapphire Radeon HD 5970 is already on pre-order in Europe (http://geizhals.at/eu/a481050.html).
Google product search (http://www.google.com/products?q=hd+5970&aq=f) shows the HIS HD 5970 2GB listed for $$599.99 at ZipZoomFly but the card was removed from listing.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3644/hd5870forsale.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/hd5870forsale.jpg/)
EDIT
I wonder if TechPowerUP article is right about the "2 GB of memory (4 GB total on card)". The ZipZoomFly listing only shows 2GB GDDR5.
Good and bad news. I wasn't expecting it this soon, but the clocks are lower than what I was hoping for. This will mean they can't ask as much money for it, which is good for those buying it, but with low yeilds and the fact it uses two cypress chips, demand will probably very quickly out number supply.
I'll have to see benchmarks, but I'm not sure if I'll go with one. Might just stick it out and see if there is a refresh of the 5870 or wait until next gen. If AvP supports tesselation on DX10.1 cards that wait shouldn't be too hard.
Heinz68
11-17-09, 07:30 AM
Well the HD 5970 is supposed to be out tommorow, looks like except me not many people are excited about it at this forum. :)
Here are few leaked slides thanks to neliz at B3D Forum
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1497/19r3lug.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/19r3lug.jpg/)
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5181/22irlmh2.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/22irlmh2.jpg/)
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3934/32ilqn6.jpg (http://img21.imageshack.us/i/32ilqn6.jpg/)
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8091/42qrzktd.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/42qrzktd.jpg/)
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1175/55o1k0o.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/55o1k0o.jpg/)
well from a single gpu point of view...the 5970 is useless for those who don't want multigpu setups.
i was really hoping the 59xx series to be a upgraded speed bump with single gpu in mind. i guess with nvidia having nothing to counter ati's top range cards it make sense for them to not release a new flagship single gpu card.
Looks good. Pretty economic for such a powerful card and the price seems reasonable. Looking forward to benchies! 4.64TFlops! :lol: That's 9.28TFlops in a quad GPU setup :headexplode:
shadow001
11-17-09, 11:56 AM
And 1.85 terraflops in dual precision math,so considering what was reveiled so far about fermi in dual precision math performance,you'd still need 3 at fermi's cards to match that dual precision math performance of a Quad crossfire setup with 2 HD5970's.
It does get slaughtered at single precision math though,which is what gets used in games most of the time,no matter how many fermi's are used,since single precision math for Fermi is only 2x faster than dual precision performance,so 7 fermi chips would be needed to match the perfomance of 4 Cypress GPU's....I'm starting to not be surprised why no gaming benchmarks have been released yet.
Maverick123w
11-17-09, 12:48 PM
Nice, if it really is 2x2GB thats extremely nice. If the card can actually get close to 1ghz on stock cooling this card is going to be a monster!!
LordJuanlo
11-17-09, 01:01 PM
I was going to get one of those dual GPU cards for a 3 monitor EyeFinity setup, but because of space problems I won't be able to put 3 monitors anytime soon, so I have finally got a single 5870. And I don't like that GPUs and RAM are clocked slower than single card, the lack of customizable CrossFireX profiles could make the card slower than single 5870 until a new driver is released.
syndicot
11-17-09, 02:34 PM
Nice, if it really is 2x2GB thats extremely nice. If the card can actually get close to 1ghz on stock cooling this card is going to be a monster!!
Yep, im curious as to how well they will overclock. 950-1000mhz core would be nice.
josiahsuarez
11-17-09, 07:51 PM
some reviews :)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=3072&cid=3&pg=1
http://lab501.ro/placi-video/ati-radeon-hd5970-ave-hemlock-morituri-te-salutant
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e16/josiahsuarez/card-box.jpg
:afraid:
Good luck getting one of these :(
Rakeesh
11-17-09, 09:07 PM
Eh...designed for overclocking? more overclocking headroom? Sorry but that just sounds stupid. The engineers are going to clock it as high as they can without it exceeding certain limits that might cause a failure in real world conditions. They aren't just going to set a target and if the minting process ends up producing something better they don't take advantage of it. That just wouldn't make any sense from neither an engineering perspective nor a marketing perspective.
IMO that is purely a marketing gimmick to say "well you can potentially get more but no guarantees" when really it's about as likely to overclock without failure as well as anything else.
Looks nice other than that though.
methimpikehoses
11-17-09, 09:23 PM
sweet jebus
Come on Nvidia, drop your card already :drooling:
I wanna see competition and price drops :D
shadow001
11-18-09, 12:15 AM
Eh...designed for overclocking? more overclocking headroom? Sorry but that just sounds stupid. The engineers are going to clock it as high as they can without it exceeding certain limits that might cause a failure in real world conditions. They aren't just going to set a target and if the minting process ends up producing something better they don't take advantage of it. That just wouldn't make any sense from neither an engineering perspective nor a marketing perspective.
IMO that is purely a marketing gimmick to say "well you can potentially get more but no guarantees" when really it's about as likely to overclock without failure as well as anything else.
Looks nice other than that though.
Well the card uses the same GPU's used in the HD5870 card,which runs at 850 mhz at stock,and the GDDR5 memory is also the same,which is rated to run at up to 1300Mhz,and the card was built with a vapor chamber cooler,similar to what sapphire uses on their vapor-X card lineup,that can dissipate up to 400 watts of heat,even though the power use of the HD5970 at it's default clocks is 294 watts total.
The main reason for the those clocks is that 300 watts is the limit for the PCI-e power specification standard for cards using a 6 pin and an 8 pin power connector,so ATI can claim it follows the PCI-e power specification to the letter,but what users end up doing once they install it in their systems is entirely up to them,as the cooling power of the retail cooler and power delivery circuitry,as well as the GPU's and ram can and do run faster than this,as they're rated for higher speeds... :D ;)
Remember that MARS edition of the GTX 295 that ASUS built 1000 cards from,using GPU's running at GTX285 speeds with no shaders disabled and using the full 512 bit memory bus on a custom PCB?....The card uses 360 watts at full load.
KasuCode
11-18-09, 02:28 AM
Well the card uses the same GPU's used in the HD5870 card,which runs at 850 mhz at stock,and the GDDR5 memory is also the same,which is rated to run at up to 1300Mhz,and the card was built with a vapor chamber cooler,similar to what sapphire uses on their vapor-X card lineup,that can dissipate up to 400 watts of heat,even though the power use of the HD5970 at it's default clocks is 294 watts total.
The main reason for the those clocks is that 300 watts is the limit for the PCI-e power specification standard for cards using a 6 pin and an 8 pin power connector,so ATI can claim it follows the PCI-e power specification to the letter,but what users end up doing once they install it in their systems is entirely up to them,as the cooling power of the retail cooler and power delivery circuitry,as well as the GPU's and ram can and do run faster than this,as they're rated for higher speeds... :D ;)
Remember that MARS edition of the GTX 295 that ASUS built 1000 cards from,using GPU's running at GTX285 speeds with no shaders disabled and using the full 512 bit memory bus on a custom PCB?....The card uses 360 watts at full load.
Correct.
The Heatsink on the 5970 is rated at 400Watt TDP its ready to be overclocked to hell.
Normally I don't fall for the "designed for OCing" crap, but that's usually from the third parties, not ATI themselves.
The fact that it's still using the same 5Gbs memory and has such a capable cooler as well as the fact they need to stay within the 300w evnelope it just seems to make sense. Because of the 4GB memory I might consider one now.
Listed in 8 flavors, two in stock, at my usual supplier >> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&sortby=nameAsc&subid=1577&mfrid=
From as little as £520!!!1! :eek:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-128-PC_200.jpg http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-218-AS_200.jpg http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-221-SP_200.jpg
The fastest graphics card on the planet, the ATI Radeon HD 5970 delivers an unrivaled HD gaming experience so you can play the latest, most demanding HD titles like never before. Engineered for speed, this next-generation powerhouse delivers unprecedented performance straight out of the box. Unlocked, this graphics card has massive headroom so you can take control and push your hardware to its full potential! Expand your visual real estate across up to three displays and get lost in the action with ATI Eyefinity Technology. Using ATI Stream technology, accelerate even the most demanding applications and do more than ever with your PC. Among the first to deliver full support for Microsoft DirectX 11, these GPUs enable rich, realistic visuals with explosive performance so you can dominate your gaming competition.
- Core Clock: 725MHz
- Memory: 2048MB GDDR5
- Memory Clock: 4000MHz (Effective)
- Memory Bandwidth: 256GB/s
- Processing Cores: 3200
- Bus Type: PCI-Express 2.1
- Display Connectors: 2 Dual-Link DVI-I & 1 Mini DisplayPort
- HDCP Capable
- DirectX 11 Support
- OpenGL 3.2 Support
- ATI CrossFireX Ready
- ATI Eyefinity Technology
- ATI Avivo HD
- ATI Stream Technology
- Warranty: 2 Years
There's a voice in my head demanding that I buy this :o. Someone tell me the drivers are crap or X-fire is not as good as SLi, quick, before I reach for the credit card! :lol:
Atomizer
11-18-09, 06:31 AM
Well the 5970 is more like it, totally wipes the floor with the GTX295, but im beginning to wonder, I doubt a single GPU Fermi will beat the 5970, however, the Fermi has to be somewhere in between the GTX295 and 5970, in both price and performance(assuming it cant beat it), otherwise nvidia is going to lose serious face, in the consumer market anyway.
LOL, all 20 cards are now sold. I managed to resist :lol:
LordJuanlo
11-18-09, 07:57 AM
In just 40 minutes... awesome
LOL, all 20 cards are now sold. I managed to resist :lol:
May the force be with you! :D
I bet this joke is an old one here?
PeterJensen
11-18-09, 09:22 AM
MUST NOT USE TEH CREDIT CARz0RZ N000w !!!!
shadow001
11-18-09, 12:48 PM
Bought 2 of them just now,as i have a friend buying my current cards,so the price doesn't hurt as much as it would otherwise at 1500$ Canadian with taxes and delivery for a pair....Insane i know,but that much graphics power will make any game it's personal ***** for quite a long time,regardless of settings played at...:D
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