Does this mean AMD will never go away?

[Redeemed]

I've got a couple of friends with 790FX boards, one MSI and the other Gigabyte and they've been awesome in every way. I would personally go with a PhII over a i5 from what I've seen.

For a good while I was stuck using my HP tx2510us tablet PC cause money was tight and I couldn't afford to get a desktop up and running. Sported a Turion64 x2 ZM-80 @ 2.1Ghz and rocked the Radeon HD3200. That lil' laptop played Crysis @ the lowest settings without issue. Pretty freakin' impressive if you ask me.

Never got a BSOD, never had a lockup, and in general never had any issues except that since I used it as my primary rig, and did quite a bit of gaming on it, it would tend to heat up considerably. Not a fault of either AMD or HP I'd say, as the computer wasn't intended for gaming. :lol: Regardless, I finally fried the CPU. But again, I consider the fault to be mine since I was using the laptop in a way it was never intended to be used.

Though that be a pretty major setback (:lol:) that's literally the *only* problem I've had with that rig, and it was using an AMD CPU, AMD mobo + chipset, and an AMD GPU. Rock solid stable, and super fast for it's specifications. Had I not gamed on the rig so much, it'd still be rockin' today. :lol: :o Honestly, I could have put together an old P4 or A64 rig out of spare parts I had lying around, but just didn't want to. The cost of running that laptop so hot for so long? Now it's a door stop till I can replace the CPU. :o :lol:

[crainger]

What more do I need to be quilified to have an opinion, in your opinion, Crainger?

Spell check ::p:

[Redeemed]

Spell check ::p:

:lol: Fair enough, buddy. :D

[crainger]

I have extensive quilifications.

[Redeemed]

I have extensive quilifications.

I get it Max... just too lazy to edit my post. :o :p

[grey_1]

I've got a couple of friends with 790FX boards, one MSI and the other Gigabyte and they've been awesome in every way. I would personally go with a PhII over a i5 from what I've seen.

I'm seriously considering a quad AM3 build for my next build after the holidays, especially with the lower TDP chips on the market now.

I'm betting a 965 black will be had for pennies on the dollar by the time I'm ready.

[Redeemed]

I'm seriously considering a quad AM3 build for my next build after the holidays, especially with the lower TDP chips on the market now.

I'm betting a 965 black will be had for pennies on the dollar by the time I'm ready.

I don't have a lot of experience with the newer Phenoms, but back when I owned my Phenom 9600 BE it seemed nothing I did could slow it down. And the PhenomII's are even faster, and over clock considerably better.

I did, however, build a rig for my sister not too long ago using the PhenomII X2 550 BE... not a quad core, but I will say it's the fastest dual-core I've ever used... including the C2D E6600 I rocked for a while.

I'm convinced the Phenoms are very under rated. Great, rock solid chips. You'll be happy with which ever one you get. ;) :)

[grey_1]

I don't have a lot of experience with the newer Phenoms, but back when I owned my Phenom 9600 BE it seemed nothing I did could slow it down. And the PhenomII's are even faster, and over clock considerably better.

I did, however, build a rig for my sister not too long ago using the PhenomII X2 550 BE... not a quad core, but I will say it's the fastest dual-core I've ever used... including the C2D E6600 I rocked for a while.

I'm convinced the Phenoms are very under rated. Great, rock solid chips. You'll be happy with which ever one you get. ;) :)

Well, the few reviews I read on the 965 black all suggested the 955 instead due to heat and due to not being very over-clockable. 5-600Mhz seemed to be the average.

With that said, the performance they showed while gaming even at stock speeds either beat, matched, or just barely lost to intels top i7 proc. Most other duties like compression, encoding etc intel took of course.

Gaming being my top priority, the price/perf is just tough to beat.

[Redeemed]

Well, the few reviews I read on the 965 black all suggested the 955 instead due to heat and due to not being very over-clockable. 5-600Mhz seemed to be the average.

With that said, the performance they showed while gaming even at stock speeds either beat, matched, or just barely lost to intels top i7 proc. Most other duties like compression, encoding etc intel took of course.

Gaming being my top priority, the price/perf is just tough to beat.

Well, look at the stock speed of the 965. Really, all the PhenomII procs top out at about the same speed- at or just above 4Ghz. The higher the stock speed, the lower the oc potential, naturally.

Honestly, all AMD is doing is just upping the clock speed for each model and tagging it with a higher model number and slightly higher price tag. :lol: You could settle for a 955 and not have any problems. Should hit 4GHz, maybe even 4.2. Lowest max oc I've seen for the chip is 3.8 which still isn't bad considering the performance it'll give ya'. :)

[grey_1]

Well, look at the stock speed of the 965. Really, all the PhenomII procs top out at about the same speed- at or just above 4Ghz. The higher the stock speed, the lower the oc potential, naturally.

Honestly, all AMD is doing is just upping the clock speed for each model and tagging it with a higher model number and slightly higher price tag. :lol: You could settle for a 955 and not have any problems. Should hit 4GHz, maybe even 4.2. Lowest max oc I've seen for the chip is 3.8 which still isn't bad considering the performance it'll give ya'. :)

Yep, this is a good part of my decision (not finalized yet).

A 3.8 or 4Ghz quad...I can live with that :lol:

[Redeemed]

Yep, this is a good part of my decision (not finalized yet).

A 3.8 or 4Ghz quad...I can live with that :lol:

Also, AMD's 6-core chips are going to be AM3 parts. So if you get an AM3 mobo (I know, it means new DDR3 RAM as well), you'll be setting your self up for a nice upgrade later on down the line as well.

Socket AM3 is gonna' be here for a while. ;)

[grey_1]

Also, AMD's 6-core chips are going to be AM3 parts. So if you get an AM3 mobo (I know, it means new DDR3 RAM as well), you'll be setting your self up for a nice upgrade later on down the line as well.

Socket AM3 is gonna' be here for a while. ;)

I'm looking at Feb/March timeframe. I'll let ya know :)

[nekrosoft13]

Socket G34 is already in the works planned for 2010 release

probably for server market, but quite likely they will use it in their higher end desktop market as well

cpu got a weird shape to it

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/data/2009_4_27/AMD-Socket-G34-revealed/AMD_G34Socket_675.jpg

[Redeemed]

G34 is server, if I recall correctly. AM3 will be the desktop socket till Bulldoze, if I recall correctly.

Or was it magny-cours... gettin' 'em confused. :p :o

[Viral]

G34 (~1900 pins) and C32 (1207 pins) are Server only. G34 is for magnycours, which is a dual 6 core MCM design (two dies linked to make 12 core), which is probably why it's so wide. Later G34 will be used for 16 core Bulldozer while C32 will be for 8 core bulldozer.

Desktop will be staying AM3 on the current roadmap. I'm thinking they might change in 2011, but nothing is official yet.

Grey, I think the older 140w 965 was not worth paying the extra for if you overclock, but with the new 125w C3 965 there is usually a 100MHz difference in final overclock as well as lower temps. So they are definitely a better chip than the 955.

As for whats next, 6 core chips should arrive next year, but how they will be price and how they will clock is unknown. So just look out for whats on the market when you buy and you'll be fine.

Now, AMD vs intel. Turbo and HT are messing with proper comparison here, and while both are useful features, the end result is much more inconsistant in real life more so than benchmarks. While turbo is great for single threaded apps, if you overclock anyway, what's the point? A Phenom II will favour a lot more comparably at the same clock speeds, where in benchmarks they often don't mention turbo having an effect on the results - and still state the processor as being it's default clock. It's a bit misleading really. HT on the other hand is a proper benefit, but again, not always consistant.

[Johnny C]

Things are definitely looking up on the server front for AMD, let's hope they can capitalize on some of these new multi-core designs.

[grey_1]

Grey, I think the older 140w 965 was not worth paying the extra for if you overclock, but with the new 125w C3 965 there is usually a 100MHz difference in final overclock as well as lower temps. So they are definitely a better chip than the 955.

As for whats next, 6 core chips should arrive next year, but how they will be price and how they will clock is unknown. So just look out for whats on the market when you buy and you'll be fine.


Sounds like solid advice, thanks Viral.

[Heinz68]

UPDATE 1-AMD sees margins for 2011 above 45 percent
* AMD says Intel agreement helps gross margins
Read more here (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0918022220091210?type=marketsNews)

To bad I did listen to AthlonXP1800 and other NVIDIA shills predicting numerous times the AMD dead.

If I didn't listen to theirs financial expert opinion, I could have buy the AMD shares at $2.00 low and be rich now. Maybe I should sue them for wrong financial advice. :)

[shadow001]

That's not the only good news for AMD,as there's also this:


http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091214130653_Over_800_Thousand_of_DirectX_11_Gra phics_Chips_Shipped_ATI.html


Yup,800 000 DX11 GPU's already shipped since september,even though 500 000 of those are juniper cores,the rest are Cypress GPU's,so despite the bad yeilds,they're still producing decent amounts overall,but still not enough to satisfy demand.

[Johnny C]

Read more here (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0918022220091210?type=marketsNews)

To bad I did listen to AthlonXP1800 and other NVIDIA shills predicting numerous times the AMD dead.

If I didn't listen to theirs financial expert opinion, I could have buy the AMD shares at $2.00 low and be rich now. Maybe I should sue them for wrong financial advice. :)

You and I are in the same boat Heinz.....

[Drolfrawd]

Long live Drolfrawd and his merry minions :D