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Madpistol
12-11-09, 11:41 PM
I'm probably going to do a small overhaul of my current system, including a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM, and possibly video card. I'm absolutely torn between getting these two processors:


AMD Phenom II X4 965BE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727

<or>

Intel Core i5 750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215




Both have very similar scores in benchmarks, and both are a tick under $200.

So which one should I get??? :headexplode:

bob saget
12-12-09, 01:00 AM
Do they both overclock the same?
I think it will be a close race....

Shamrock
12-12-09, 02:59 AM
The Phenom II has an unlocked core

mullet
12-12-09, 09:23 AM
Hard call.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 09:46 AM
The Phenom II has an unlocked core

Umm... this one doesn't. The 965 is already a quad-core. ;)

AM3 has a future- all of AMD's top-end CPUs for the foreseeable future will be released on AM3. LGA1156 however, will never see Intel's 6-core offerings and it'll be phased out rather quickly. I'm getting the impression LGA1156 will be to LGA1366 as s754 was to s939... if that makes any sense. :p

Unless you can go LGA1366, go with AMD all the way. At least with AMD you'll have an upgrade path. Not to mention their newer chipset which has native support for USB3.0 and SATA 6Gbps will be released before too much longer, first half of next year I believe?

grey_1
12-12-09, 09:57 AM
Umm... this one doesn't. The 965 is already a quad-core. ;)

AM3 has a future- all of AMD's top-end CPUs for the foreseeable future will be released on AM3. LGA1156 however, will never see Intel's 6-core offerings and it'll be phased out rather quickly. I'm getting the impression LGA1156 will be to LGA1366 as s754 was to s939... if that makes any sense. :p

Unless you can go LGA1366, go with AMD all the way. At least with AMD you'll have an upgrade path. Not to mention their newer chipset which has native support for USB3.0 and SATA 6Gbps will be released before too much longer, first half of next year I believe?

Not sure what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Shamrock means unlocked multiplier, which all Black editions have. Their dual core Blacks have them as well, so being a quad isn't really pertinent unless I'm missing your meaning?

Madpistol
12-12-09, 10:49 AM
If you look at the reviews, they are both excellent overclockers. However, the i5 may have a slight edge in final performance overclocked. The 965BE does have an unlocked multiplier, which is great but it also means I'll have to buy high performance ram to take advantage of this. However, the current AM2+/AM3 motherboards are generally around $50 cheaper than corresponding 1156 motherboards, so I could get a really nice HSF to go with the 965BE where as I would probably have to wait to get one with the i5 750... but, I can buy cheaper RAM with the i5. Socket AM3 is more futureproof though, so I can expect to do a direct upgrade in the future if I go that path...


Ugh. This is a tough one.



EDIT: I did some research on the two different platforms. No matter what I chose, in order to get exactly the same thing that AMD had, I had to spend between $40-$50 more on a motherboard for the i5. I'm starting to lean towards the 965BE now...

grey_1
12-12-09, 11:29 AM
If nothing better comes up over the next few months I've pretty much decided on the 965 myself. As the primary use for my rig is gaming there isn't a whole lot of point to spending more cash for a shorter lived platform. Whatever I get I want it to be viable for as long as possible for the least amount of $$.

EDIT: running an E8500 and X38 @ 3.8Ghz now, so I'm in no hurry, but I would like more next year.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 11:51 AM
Not sure what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Shamrock means unlocked multiplier, which all Black editions have. Their dual core Blacks have them as well, so being a quad isn't really pertinent unless I'm missing your meaning?

The new dual and tri-core chips based on the new Phenom II often have "unlockable" cores- meaning you can unlock the one or two disabled cores, allowing you to have an incredibly cheap quad core. Of course, you do this at your own risk- those cores where disabled for a reason.

This is what I thought he was referring to, figured he might have misread read the model number or such... if he was referring to the multiplier then my bad. :o Simple misunderstanding.

If you look at the reviews, they are both excellent overclockers. However, the i5 may have a slight edge in final performance overclocked. The 965BE does have an unlocked multiplier, which is great but it also means I'll have to buy high performance ram to take advantage of this. However, the current AM2+/AM3 motherboards are generally around $50 cheaper than corresponding 1156 motherboards, so I could get a really nice HSF to go with the 965BE where as I would probably have to wait to get one with the i5 750... but, I can buy cheaper RAM with the i5. Socket AM3 is more futureproof though, so I can expect to do a direct upgrade in the future if I go that path...


Ugh. This is a tough one.



EDIT: I did some research on the two different platforms. No matter what I chose, in order to get exactly the same thing that AMD had, I had to spend between $40-$50 more on a motherboard for the i5. I'm starting to lean towards the 965BE now...

I can promise you- you *will not* be disappointed with the AMD. They are great chips, with a great platform. Honestly, if you want Intel go LGA1366. If you cannot, then you'd be foolish to not go AMD. LGA1156 is a joke, IMO, just as s754 was back in the K8 days.

grey_1
12-12-09, 11:58 AM
The new dual and tri-core chips based on the new Phenom II often have "unlockable" cores- meaning you can unlock the one or two disabled cores, allowing you to have an incredibly cheap quad core. Of course, you do this at your own risk- those cores where disabled for a reason.

This is what I thought he was referring to, figured he might have misread read the model number or such... if he was referring to the multiplier then my bad. :o Simple misunderstanding.



Ah, forgot all about that. Thanks for clearing that up.

I discard info I will never use. I would much rather spend a few extra $ for the guaranteed product myself than take a chance that it might unlock for me.

Just my preference is all, even though it was good to see some folks getting quad value off a Tri price point.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 12:04 PM
Ah, forgot all about that. Thanks for clearing that up.

I discard info I will never use. I would much rather spend a few extra $ for the guaranteed product myself than take a chance that it might unlock for me.

Just my preference is all, even though it was good to see some folks getting quad value off a Tri price point.

I'm right there with ya' buddy. :)

Though for somebody on a budget with the technical know-how... I can see the attraction.

However, I'd much prefer to not gamble that the disabled cores could be made functional. I'd just do without for a bit longer and save up for "the real deal". :)

grey_1
12-12-09, 12:08 PM
I'm right there with ya' buddy. :)

Though for somebody on a budget with the technical know-how... I can see the attraction.

However, I'd much prefer to not gamble that the disabled cores could be made functional. I'd just do without for a bit longer and save up for "the real deal". :)

Yep, agreed.

my only worry WRT AMD is mobo reviews and out of the box reliability. They don't seem as consistent as intel based chipsets.

But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 12:15 PM
Yep, agreed.

my only worry WRT AMD is mobo reviews and out of the box reliability. They don't seem as consistent as intel based chipsets.

But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

If my experience can be any encouragement to you- don't believe all the "gossip". ;)

For every Intel rig I've owned, I've probably owned 20 AMD rigs. :lol: That's an exaggeration- but you get my point. :p

I might be a bit biased, but if I were in the market right now I'd be buying AMD all the way. Their processors are far faster than what near any gamer would need, and their motherboards are perfectly stable. Just like with any platform, you can run across the occassional bad apple- and some of AMD's chipsets aren't geared for enthusiast which is why many people whom purchase them are disappointed. Read up on their chipsets and learn which one will best suit your needs, and then make the purchase. :)

I've built many new AMD rigs for friends and family over the past year. If it weren't for the unbelievable deal I got on this i7 setup through my work- I'd be rocking a Phenom II BE on an AM3 mobo right now. :) :p

grey_1
12-12-09, 01:26 PM
Well, I do believe in erring on the side of caution, but I wouldn't be planning on going with the platform if I believed all the gossip. :lol:

I'm just planning on some serious research into the respective partners boards at the time of purchase.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 01:47 PM
Well, I do believe in erring on the side of caution, but I wouldn't be planning on going with the platform if I believed all the gossip. :lol:

I'm just planning on some serious research into the respective partners boards at the time of purchase.

That is wise. If I can aid you in your research at all, I'd be glad to help. :)

grey_1
12-12-09, 02:08 PM
That is wise. If I can aid you in your research at all, I'd be glad to help. :)

I will definitely let you know. :)

Lyme
12-12-09, 05:43 PM
I bought a new computer a month and a half ago (last part arrived just last week)
---------------

1. Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case 300 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB & Audio 1

2. Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty* 1

3. Corsair Professional HX750W 750W ATX 12V 62A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan 1

4. ASUS R.O.G. Crosshair III Formula ATX AM3 790FX/SB750 2XPCI-E16 3XPCI-E 1XPCI CrossFireX Motherboard 1

5. Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA775 LGA1156 120MM 1

6. AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ 8MB Cache 140W 45NM Retail Box 1

8. 42747 G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-7-7-24 Core I5 Memory Kit 2

10. BenQ E2420HD 24IN 16:9 Widescreen Black LCD Monitor 2MS 50000:1 1920X1080 2XHDMI DVI *IR-$10* 1

11. Liteon IHAS124 24X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM 1

----

Ordered
7. XFX Radeon HD 4650 600MHZ 1GB 1GHZ DDR2 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP TV Out Video Card 1

While I waited for

1 44304 ASUS Radeon HD 5870 850MHZ 1GB GDDR5 4.8GHZ 2XDVI HDMI Display Port DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card 1

Which ended up being a Diamond card (do to massive backorders). I'm running Windows 7 x64 on it, it is extremely stable (and quiet, with power management turned on).

Also picked up a APC VA1300BX (UPS), and a wacom bamboo pen and touch as well.

Redeemed
12-12-09, 05:48 PM
Wow. Nice setup, dude. :)

Lyme
12-12-09, 06:03 PM
First new PC in five years, wanted to buy a pc that would last another five.

Some pictures, sans the 5870, UPS, and tablet.
http://lyme.shawwebspace.ca/photos/view/building_a_phenom_ii_x4_965be_/

Also the cpu is the C2 stepping, and that is 8gigs of ram.

Oh, and the bag the PSU comes in, is velvet.

grey_1
12-12-09, 07:25 PM
I bought a new computer a month and a half ago (last part arrived just last week)
---------------

1. Antec Three Hundred Mini Tower Gaming Case 300 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB & Audio 1

2. Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA2 3.5IN 8.5MS 7200RPM 16MB Hard Drive OEM *3YR MFR Warranty* 1

3. Corsair Professional HX750W 750W ATX 12V 62A 24PIN ATX Modular Power Supply Active PFC 140MM Fan 1

4. ASUS R.O.G. Crosshair III Formula ATX AM3 790FX/SB750 2XPCI-E16 3XPCI-E 1XPCI CrossFireX Motherboard 1

5. Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA775 LGA1156 120MM 1

6. AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Quad Core Processor AM3 3.4GHZ 8MB Cache 140W 45NM Retail Box 1

8. 42747 G.SKILL F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH Ripjaws PC3-12800 4GB 2X2GB DDR3-1600 CL7-7-7-24 Core I5 Memory Kit 2

10. BenQ E2420HD 24IN 16:9 Widescreen Black LCD Monitor 2MS 50000:1 1920X1080 2XHDMI DVI *IR-$10* 1

11. Liteon IHAS124 24X DVD Writer SATA Black OEM 1

----

Ordered
7. XFX Radeon HD 4650 600MHZ 1GB 1GHZ DDR2 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDCP TV Out Video Card 1

While I waited for

1 44304 ASUS Radeon HD 5870 850MHZ 1GB GDDR5 4.8GHZ 2XDVI HDMI Display Port DIRECTX11 PCI-E Video Card 1

Which ended up being a Diamond card (do to massive backorders). I'm running Windows 7 x64 on it, it is extremely stable (and quiet, with power management turned on).

Also picked up a APC VA1300BX (UPS), and a wacom bamboo pen and touch as well.

I had to LOL! I bolded what we have in common, and your mobo, proc and a 5970 is what's on my wish list. :D

Good taste in pc parts man! :p

Viral
12-12-09, 07:43 PM
I'd have to go with the Phenom. You get a motherboard with full 16x + 16x PCIe support and IMO, a more guaranteed OC. I have a couple of friends with i5 750's and both couldn't get past 3.6GHz and at those clocks they ran a bit too hot for my liking even with good air cooling.

I was all for the i5's before seeing that, but at this price point I think AMD are offering a better solution.

Lyme
12-12-09, 08:25 PM
I had to LOL! I bolded what we have in common, and your mobo, proc and a 5970 is what's on my wish list. :D

Good taste in pc parts man! :p

I did quite a lot of research to ensure I was going to be happy with the amount of money I was spending.
The DVD drive was simply because I've used a lot of liteon drives and it was cheap.
The aftermarket heat sink is because I want as close to silent operation during non-use as possible, and most stock heat sinks are quite noisy. It just (with little clearance) fits into the case (no side fan).
The memory was comparatively cheap among my top brand choices.

Shamrock
12-12-09, 09:23 PM
Not sure what you mean, but I'm pretty sure Shamrock means unlocked multiplier, which all Black editions have. Their dual core Blacks have them as well, so being a quad isn't really pertinent unless I'm missing your meaning?

^^ I meant this. regarding BE

Maverick123w
12-12-09, 11:12 PM
I'd have to go with the Phenom. You get a motherboard with full 16x + 16x PCIe support and IMO, a more guaranteed OC. I have a couple of friends with i5 750's and both couldn't get past 3.6GHz and at those clocks they ran a bit too hot for my liking even with good air cooling.

I was all for the i5's before seeing that, but at this price point I think AMD are offering a better solution.

You're friends either don't know what their doing or got unlucky. I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965. That being said, the AM3 platform will probably have more longevity (and it's not like the 965 is bad lol).

Madpistol
12-13-09, 12:35 AM
You're friends either don't know what their doing or got unlucky. I the 750 is a superior chip in pretty much every aspect to the 965. That being said, the AM3 platform will probably have more longevity (and it's not like the 965 is bad lol).

The i5 750 "IS" the superior chip. I completely agree with this. However, since a good motherboard for that chip costs about $50 more than a similar AM3 motherboard, the price for the platform is significantly higher than that of an AM3. I can pay about $400-420 for a 965be, Gigabyte motherboard w/ Crossfire, and 4GB of DDR3. It takes about $480 to get a similar setup equipped with the i5 750.

Once again, the i5 is the superior chip, but the 965be is the superior platform (and value) :)


...and for gaming, good luck telling the difference. ;)