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tjohn
12-22-09, 07:47 PM
I'm planning a new build and need some advice. I need a machine that will run WHS (which I have ready to install), and I want to have lots of storage. I've been looking at the Atom mobo/combo's and cases but all the cases only have like 1 or 2 drive capacity. I think I'd like more than that. Can I use a micro atx system and still get the low power ability of the itx systems??

nekrosoft13
12-22-09, 07:59 PM
if you could also build an atx system with low power sempron

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103698

mini atx board would let you be more flexible with more storabe options

tjohn
12-22-09, 08:41 PM
if you could also build an atx system with low power sempron

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103698

mini atx board would let you be more flexible with more storabe options

Wow, I could use my fav gigabyte m-atx board with that cpu! Is there a fan-less cooler that can be used with it?

nekrosoft13
12-22-09, 08:47 PM
quite sure that there will be a few, that cpu runs cool.

tjohn
12-22-09, 08:59 PM
Yes! Quick search found one already.

http://www.overclock.co.uk/product/Akasa-CC032-Low-Profile-,-Passive-heatsink_24777.html

Looking good

tjohn
12-22-09, 09:18 PM
Well all those boards have quality on board video which I will not need (and use less power without). I want this to be just a basic file server/print server/backup server running WHS

Lyme
12-26-09, 02:53 AM
If you want a low power setup it is important to choose your PSU correctly. There are quite a few PSUs that will draw peak power even when they are not using it. In general your looking for a DC-DC VRM design with a 80+ rating. Getting anything less will just be wasting the money you saved on getting other quality parts.

nekrosoft13
12-26-09, 03:35 AM
Well all those boards have quality on board video which I will not need (and use less power without). I want this to be just a basic file server/print server/backup server running WHS

but they also have more sata ports, which is plus for more storage, itx boards usually have max 2 sata ports.

tjohn
12-26-09, 09:43 AM
If you want a low power setup it is important to choose your PSU correctly. There are quite a few PSUs that will draw peak power even when they are not using it. In general your looking for a DC-DC VRM design with a 80+ rating. Getting anything less will just be wasting the money you saved on getting other quality parts.

Thank you very much for that info. Did not know that.

tjohn
12-26-09, 09:44 AM
but they also have more sata ports, which is plus for more storage, itx boards usually have max 2 sata ports.

Yes, true I'm leaning towards the m-atx boards

tjohn
12-26-09, 12:52 PM
If you want a low power setup it is important to choose your PSU correctly. There are quite a few PSUs that will draw peak power even when they are not using it. In general your looking for a DC-DC VRM design with a 80+ rating. Getting anything less will just be wasting the money you saved on getting other quality parts.

Not sure what the DC-DC VRM is but how does this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029) one look?

tjohn
12-26-09, 02:07 PM
Here's what I got in my wish list so far...

I love those Gigabyte m-atx mobo's, I have 3 of the ddr3 version, but went with the ddr2 version for this build

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail ($54.95)

Antec NEO ECO 400C 400W Continuous Power ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail ($44.99)

LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDP118-04 - OEM ($17.99)

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail ($79.99)

AMD Sempron 140 Sargas 2.7GHz Socket AM3 45W Single-Core Processor Model SDX140HBGQBOX - Retail ($35.99)

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-5300PHU2-2GBNT - Retail ($43.99)

Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive x2 ($169.98)

Total so far $447.88

Lyme
12-26-09, 02:17 PM
That should be fine, although it only has a standard 80+ rating http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_detail.aspx?id=6&type=2 It is difficult to find many lower wattage psu's with much above bronze, but they are out there. For example http://www.corsair.com/products/hx450/default.aspx

tjohn
12-26-09, 02:21 PM
That should be fine, although it only has a standard 80+ rating http://www.80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_detail.aspx?id=6&type=2 It is difficult to find many lower wattage psu's with much above bronze, but they are out there. For example http://www.corsair.com/products/hx450/default.aspx

Thanks, hmm the egg doesn't carry that model but it does have higher wattage hx models.

Can you check my other parts and see what you thinks too :)

tjohn
12-26-09, 02:48 PM
Can I get away with this cooler with a fan you think??

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118056

tjohn
12-26-09, 04:17 PM
Different PSU added...

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail ($54.95)

SeaSonic S12II 380B 380W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail ($59.99)

LITE-ON Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDP118-04 - OEM ($17.99)

GIGABYTE GA-MA785GM-US2H AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail ($79.99)

AMD Sempron 140 Sargas 2.7GHz Socket AM3 45W Single-Core Processor Model SDX140HBGQBOX - Retail ($35.99)

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-5300PHU2-2GBNT - Retail ($43.99)

Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive x2 ($169.98)

nekrosoft13
12-26-09, 10:29 PM
PCI-X 64-Bit = useless

tjohn
12-27-09, 09:32 AM
Why Windows Home Server and not Windows Server?

I'm also planing a fileserver and I'm starting to buy the first components. I'll definitely go for 2008 Server R2 as my OS.

Cuz I already have a valid retail key for whs. I have server 08 r2 at work and love it.

Do you think the parts I have so far are good?

tjohn
12-27-09, 09:34 AM
Is my PSU selection good enough? seasonice 380

Lyme
12-27-09, 11:42 AM
Why Windows Home Server and not Windows Server?

I'm also planing a fileserver and I'm starting to buy the first components. I'll definitely go for 2008 Server R2 as my OS.

There are many things that WHS does that Windows Server does not. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/default.mspx
I've been using WHS since early beta, and it is a great product.

While I haven't used that particular heatsink, I do have the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 and used it in that case. You have just enough clearance http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/d/9/2/16543/buildingphenomiix4965be018-0.jpg?r=t so long as you don't put a side fan on the case.

tjohn
12-27-09, 12:19 PM
While I haven't used that particular heatsink, I do have the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 and used it in that case. You have just enough clearance http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/d/9/2/16543/buildingphenomiix4965be018-0.jpg?r=t so long as you don't put a side fan on the case.

Thanks

tjohn
12-27-09, 12:56 PM
Where can I get a cheap Electricity Usage Monitor?

Lyme
12-27-09, 01:27 PM
Cheap, I don't know. I have a APC 1300VA battery backup, it tells me my usage.

tjohn
12-27-09, 01:59 PM
That's true, I should get a UPS for this build. I was looking at one of the plug in usage monitors.

tjohn
12-27-09, 03:17 PM
Another question... Should I install windows home server os on a small separate drive and just use the 1 tb drives for storage?