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Iruwen
03-02-10, 08:43 AM
That wasn't him, actually:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/01/fermi-power-requirements-leak/
Which doesn't make it any better though.

PS: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=56155&page=92

hell_of_doom227
03-02-10, 09:09 AM
I just know that i can't wait to get rid of crap called ATI and buy Fermi. I am planning to give one HD5870 to my uncle and one to my brother.

weevil
03-02-10, 09:10 AM
It's like a Nazi Rally over there :)

Noriega
03-02-10, 09:24 AM
Call me back if there will be more-accurate info. Charlie talk is cheap.

Iruwen
03-02-10, 09:48 AM
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17889/65/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17888/34/

kaptkarl
03-02-10, 10:43 AM
I just know that i can't wait to get rid of crap called ATI and buy Fermi. I am planning to give one HD5870 to my uncle and one to my brother.

I'll gladly take your "ATI crap" as you call it. The 5870's rock and you know it. Please...............:p

Kapt

lee63
03-02-10, 11:39 AM
I will be selling my 5870s, I don't think they are crap at all. ATi did a great job with the 5000s series ;) I don't think any one can argue that.

kaptkarl
03-02-10, 11:58 AM
I will be selling my 5870s, I don't think they are crap at all. ATi did a great job with the 5000s series ;) I don't think any one can argue that.

+1

The 5000 series cards are indeed awesome. I'm curious though....will you sell your 5870s if the Fermi is not what nVidia has hyped it to be??

Kapt

Aphot
03-02-10, 12:30 PM
I quite like my 5870s, true supersampling antialiasing is awesome.

shadow001
03-02-10, 12:36 PM
Some more webhate from Charlie:
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/02/nvidia-threatens-its-partners-cebit/
AMDs giveaways must be really great.


A little over 3 weeks to find out if the clocks,performance and volumes he states(basically a paper launch) in this last update are accurate though,so it won't be long to know for sure,and Guru 3D already gave hints about Fermi performance not being a knockdown blow to ATI anyhow.


NDA's are standard procedure up to the official launch anyhow.

Iruwen
03-02-10, 12:42 PM
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/GeForce-GTX-480-Fermi-Grafikchip-fotografiert-944353.html

They disassembled a GTX 480.

/e: at least they claim to have.

/eČ: note that this is an A2 chip - whatever this means... if all rumors, including Charlie's rants, are based on cards with these chips, then there might still be a big surprise incoming. Seems like all cards shown at the CeBit are built on A2 revision.

More pictures:
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/1267547763.jpeg
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/1267547764.jpeg
http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagelarge/1267547765.jpeg

lee63
03-02-10, 01:18 PM
+1

The 5000 series cards are indeed awesome. I'm curious though....will you sell your 5870s if the Fermi is not what nVidia has hyped it to be??

Kapt
I'm not sure, I really like NVs profiles but are they worth $100+ or more. I'm also a real hardware wh0re :o I switch out stuff just for the sake of it sometimes XD

I've been on workman's comp for nearly two years with totally f*cked up back....I have not much else to do. I really look forward to this type of thing.

I have no regrets going with ATi...the cards are awesome....but if Fermi is 20 to 30% faster I'll do it.

Rollo
03-02-10, 01:24 PM
I'm not sure, I really like NVs profiles but are they worth $100+ or more. I'm also a real hardware wh0re :o I switch out stuff just for the sake of it sometimes XD

I've been on workman's comp for nearly two years with totally f*cked up back....I have not much else to do. I really look forward to this type of thing.

I have no regrets going with ATi...the cards are awesome....but if Fermi is 20 to 30% faster I'll do it.

You're not a TRUE hardware ***** till you switch to cards that are a downgrade, just for the fun of switching. Back in the days of many brands and multiple types of chips, the standard joke around my office would be every 3 weeks or so I'd walk in and say "Guess what I bought at lunch?" because the answer was always the same.

I traded my superior 9800Pro for a FX5800 Ultra once, because I knew I'd be getting 6800s and X800s soon anyway.

Iruwen
03-02-10, 01:41 PM
As well as I traded my GTX 295 for a HD 4850 because I thought I'd be getting a GTX 4xx soon. My fault ;(

shadow001
03-02-10, 01:43 PM
I'm not sure, I really like NVs profiles but are they worth $100+ or more. I'm also a real hardware wh0re :o I switch out stuff just for the sake of it sometimes XD

I've been on workman's comp for nearly two years with totally f*cked up back....I have not much else to do. I really look forward to this type of thing.

I have no regrets going with ATi...the cards are awesome....but if Fermi is 20 to 30% faster I'll do it.


For me it's a little different in that i got 4 of those suckers to feed as it is,and there isn't enough CPU power to do so while allowing them to show what they can really do,so the next upgrade for me is a 6 core Gulftown CPU to uncork even more speed out of the cards,at least with some games/benchmarks that use multicore CPU's a little better.


So in that sense,the speed argument alone is definitely reaching pretty academic levels at this point,at least until games become way more demanding overall,so in the scheme of things as they stand,it'll get even more academic/redundant still if the current pace of video card development maintains itself for the next few years at the current rate.


It's just crazy to imagine that once we'll hit 22nm fab process,probably in 2 years or so,it'll be possible to make GPU's with 5~6 billion transistors economically,which is just insane....There simply aren't any weaknesses in the architecture when you reach those crazy amounts,and what kind of CPU will we need then to unlock all that power,since CPU performance evolves much more slowly than GPU's....Who knows?

Enrico_be
03-02-10, 01:50 PM
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17889/65/
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17888/34/

Nice :cool:

Iruwen
03-02-10, 01:56 PM
I think if true multithreading was available with complete game engines like the GPUs do it with the rendering part, there wouldn't actually be a problem. This seems to be too hard to implement though (developers say it's two or three times more complex). I guess the only true multithreading capable engine is Valve's Source. Even Crysis doesn't support it (they just do some kind of stupid workload sharing across two cores, like putting the physics and KI on a different thread).

/e: btw., some Crysis 2 pics:
http://crysis.4thdimension.info/forum/showthread.php?p=425214#post425214

Noriega
03-02-10, 02:04 PM
I think if true multithreading was available with complete game engines like the GPUs do it with the rendering part, there wouldn't actually be a problem. This seems to be too hard to implement though (developers say it's two or three times more complex). I guess the only true multithreading capable engine is Valve's Source. Even Crysis doesn't support it (they just do some kind of stupid workload sharing across two cores, like putting the physics and KI on a different thread).

/e: btw., some Crysis 2 pics:
http://crysis.4thdimension.info/forum/showthread.php?p=425214#post425214

Forbidden. Can you just post here those screens?

shadow001
03-02-10, 02:04 PM
Nice :cool:


So it's only faster in some cases over the HD5870 cards?,released 6 months ago?....And this is good?

Enrico_be
03-02-10, 02:06 PM
Euhm guys, I have a small question. It's a bit offtopic probably ^^

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F65933%2Fceb it-nvidia-gtx-480-op-de-gevoelige-plaat-gevangen.html&sl=nl&tl=en

"Moreover, the GPU has a A2 revision, though it is known that there is a A3-revision"

Could this be a reason why Nvidia is so defensive ? We don't know how the A2 revision performs but is it possible A3-revision is faster than A2 ? I know nobody knows offcourse except Nvidia so I will generalise my question, can a newer revision be faster ?

shadow001
03-02-10, 02:16 PM
I think if true multithreading was available with complete game engines like the GPUs do it with the rendering part, there wouldn't actually be a problem. This seems to be too hard to implement though (developers say it's two or three times more complex). I guess the only true multithreading capable engine is Valve's Source. Even Crysis doesn't support it (they just do some kind of stupid workload sharing across two cores, like putting the physics and KI on a different thread).

/e: btw., some Crysis 2 pics:
http://crysis.4thdimension.info/forum/showthread.php?p=425214#post425214


It is known that programing with multithreading in mind isn't easy in the least,but with 4 core CPU's now being a reality for pretty much everyone interested in gaming,and 6 core CPU's being released soon from both AMD and Intel,it's mostly a situation of developers not having a choice in the matter basically...Not if you want that game performing as best as it can,so it's a learning process for them,and learning new ways of doing things is always a pain in the ass.


Hence why for me,it's mostly uncorking the hardware we already have available right now,rather than worrying about future GPU's that are even faster still,as they're becoming insanely powerfull as it is,and game developement is taking forever these days,with a lot of Triple AAA games taking 4+ years to develop(such as source and Half life 2).


Some games already have developement budgets that rival that of movies,costing 60~80 million to make,so imagine as standards for graphics,physics,AI,interactivity,gameplay get higher and higher still over time,developemt teams will get even bigger still if you want that game done in 4 years,using a state of the art graphics engine to boot.

Enrico_be
03-02-10, 02:17 PM
So it's only faster in some cases over the HD5870 cards?,released 6 months ago?....And this is good?

Yea, why not :) ? It's gonna be the fastest single GPU on the market so I'm not dissapointed at all :) I'm still excited for benchmarks to see where it will defeat an HD5970 ^^ Guess we will have to wait till end of March until we gonna see something :)

I think I'm not gonna buy them when they come out because I expect a limited quantity and thus high prices but I'm gonna wait a few months (probably June, Juli) and then buy me that GTX480 monstercard :cool:

shadow001
03-02-10, 02:20 PM
Euhm guys, I have a small question. It's a bit offtopic probably ^^

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F65933%2Fceb it-nvidia-gtx-480-op-de-gevoelige-plaat-gevangen.html&sl=nl&tl=en

"Moreover, the GPU has a A2 revision, though it is known that there is a A3-revision"

Could this be a reason why Nvidia is so defensive ? We don't know how the A2 revision performs but is it possible A3-revision is faster than A2 ? I know nobody knows offcourse except Nvidia so I will generalise my question, can a newer revision be faster ?


It can,with changes that allow higher clocks primarily,though a new revision can also fix issues with bugs in the hardware and improve yeilds as well,but there's no major hardware changes in terms of architecture overall.

shadow001
03-02-10, 02:29 PM
Yea, why not :) ? It's gonna be the fastest single GPU on the market so I'm not dissapointed at all :) I'm still excited for benchmarks to see where it will defeat an HD5970 ^^ Guess we will have to wait till end of March until we gonna see something :)

I think I'm not gonna buy them when they come out because I expect a limited quantity and thus high prices but I'm gonna wait a few months (probably June, Juli) and then buy me that GTX480 monstercard :cool:


Put it this way,if the GTX480 has it's hands full competing with the HD5870 cards,and only winining some benchmarks over it,what are the chances that it can come close to the HD5970,being that it's at least 60~70% faster than the HD5870 cards?,and i'm already taking into consideration that scaling in crossfire isn't perfect and that in many cases,performance in the HD5970 is held back by the CPU anyhow.


Here's another example,during the entire competition between Nvidia and ATI over the past 10+ years,has there ever been a single GPU card from one company, ever been able to beat a dual GPU card from the other company released in the same timeframe,in consistent fashion across the majority of games,in overall performance?...It's never happened before.

Enrico_be
03-02-10, 02:30 PM
Tesselation performance on Fermi should be 50% faster from what I heard, so it could be possible imo :) (offcourse only in Games with DX11 tesselation wich aren't many atm :) )