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Toss3
03-20-10, 04:57 AM
I pretty much agree with this.

I like the features. As long as it isn't ridiculously expensive it'll be worth it to get a card that's a little faster than a 5870 but has nvidia's drivers and feature set.

But none of those features are widely used nor do they in any way impact on the core gameplay. PhysX so far hasn't been used for anything but menial tasks, as of yet, and I don't see it being widely used in the future. 3DVision is very nice, but without a proper display(S-IPS or PVA panel) it's useless. SLI is even lagging behind crossfire when it comes to game-support. AMD have lately been much quicker to update their multigpu profiles than nvidia. CUDA is pretty much useless as well as it isn't supported by any application that I currently use.

So the only reason for anyone to get a GF100 should be based on raw game performance alone. Don't be fooled by nvidia's marketing shenanigans.

K007
03-20-10, 05:08 AM
u can use cuda with tmpeg and a few other programs that can use it to do the encoding job....i have no idea if its faster or not tho, but its something nice to have but wont make me decide between a 480 or a 5870...

Muppet
03-20-10, 05:40 AM
But none of those features are widely used nor do they in any way impact on the core gameplay. PhysX so far hasn't been used for anything but menial tasks, as of yet, and I don't see it being widely used in the future. 3DVision is very nice, but without a proper display(S-IPS or PVA panel) it's useless. SLI is even lagging behind crossfire when it comes to game-support. AMD have lately been much quicker to update their multigpu profiles than Nvidia. CUDA is pretty much useless as well as it isn't supported by any application that I currently use.

So the only reason for anyone to get a GF100 should be based on raw game performance alone. Don't be fooled by nvidia's marketing shenanigans.

You can't of seen 3D vision then. Because it is far from useless. In fact there is no better gaming immersion than playing in 3D period.

K007
03-20-10, 06:57 AM
can u fraps this?...

i still hope that the gtx 480 is a beast tho...i want it to be a beast so that amd has something to beat and thus..competition =D

Enrico_be
03-20-10, 07:04 AM
Some more boxes :p Voltage tweak is nice :cool: !

http://www.we-wi.be/Images/asus.jpg
http://www.we-wi.be/Images/asus2.jpg

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.donanimhaber.com%2FAsusun_GeFor ce_GTX_470_ve_GeForce_GTX_480_hazirliklari_gorundu-18785.htm&sl=auto&tl=en

edit:

Also CUDA 3.0 is out : http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda_3_0_downloads.html
Support added for Fermi cards :cool: ! Now we only need the cards lol :p !

Toss3
03-20-10, 07:33 AM
You can't of seen 3D vision then. Because it is far from useless. In fact there is no better gaming immersion than playing in 3D period.

I have seen it and thought it looked very good, but as I said it requires a separate monitor unless you'd be happy using a TN panel for everything.

Rollo
03-20-10, 07:57 AM
Here are a few micro stuttering results comparing SLI, Crossfire and the Hydra Chip:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/mainboards/2010/test_msi_big_bang_fuzion_hydra-chip/5/#abschnitt_hydra_und_die_mikroruckler

Hell even the otherwise ****ty Hydra solution does a better job than Crossfire :p

Wow- that is a pretty huge difference between the CF and SLi solutions. (and Hydra and CF)

I guess ATi hasn't addressed microstutter at all, and this is why I'm not noticing it on my GTX295s.

So I guess besides waiting for Hotfixes to the drivers for CF optomization after games are launched, multi GPU ATi owners are treated to hitching in their game play. :(

Enrico_be
03-20-10, 08:05 AM
I don't know if anybody noticed, but according to http://www.hardware-infos.com/news.php?news=3484 the GTX 470 TDP went down by 10W.

Nice :)

I think those could be the final specs and they look very good imho :)
TDP of the GTX 280 was ~240 Watt if I'm not mistaken so a GTX480 that has double the performance power (even 8 times more performance for geometry : According to Fermi slide (http://www.we-wi.be/Images/awesomeness.jpg)) for almost the same amount ~250 Watt ... NICE :cool: ! The TDP thingie was the only thing that made me a bit negative about the cards but they look really good actually :) An overclocked GTX 480 version or a GTX 490 (dual GPU) is absolutely not impossible ...
IF what we have seen thus far is correct, it's looking good :cool:

I guess that Charlie guy from that SA site is just a baby ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggQtREgW2d8 :D Lol, pretty lame I know :D But still I'm quite pissed off @ that guy :/ And I'm not gonna lower myself to his low IQ by bashing and smashing him, ATI, or whatever. I think it's also more or the less because of him why there's so much commotion on many sites and forums now, all because of his early Fermi Fail articles... In some way I hoped Nvidia would make him shut up for good with these new generation cards and that's also why I don't like the 5-15% marge over HD5870, I still hope it's a bit more than that but all in all, damn the GTX480 is blazing FAST ! edit: I hope I don't start some sort of flame with this :/ This is personal and I felt I had to say this ^^
-sorry for my bad english and the small wall of text ^^

Toss3
03-20-10, 08:39 AM
Here are a few micro stuttering results comparing SLI, Crossfire and the Hydra Chip:

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/mainboards/2010/test_msi_big_bang_fuzion_hydra-chip/5/#abschnitt_hydra_und_die_mikroruckler

Hell even the otherwise ****ty Hydra solution does a better job than Crossfire :p

Wow that's pretty crappy. How noticeable is it in games though? I've heard reports of people saying that even though their fps was higher with a CF setup a single card still felt smoother.

Rollo you wouldn't happen to know if there are any good 3D Vision displays on the horizon?

Vardant
03-20-10, 08:52 AM
If by good you mean non-TN, then no. TV's might come way sooner though.

Btw.

http://i39.tinypic.com/14xp3qh.png

Toss3
03-20-10, 09:01 AM
Those are fake - there's no way a 5870 would get that low an fps in far cry 2 or Dirt 2.

Vardant
03-20-10, 09:12 AM
Depends on the location really. Also notice, that they didn't specify resolution in DiRT 2.

Toss3
03-20-10, 09:23 AM
Depends on the location really. Also notice, that they didn't specify resolution in DiRT 2.

Prolly 2560x1600 with 4xAA, as those are the only settings that don't run that well on the 5870.

Toss3
03-20-10, 10:07 AM
Like I said, it's not that noticeable anymore. Back with the 9800GX2, without the SLI micro stuttering improvements and only 512MB per GPU, it was horrible. I went back to a single 8800 GTX just because of the micro stuttering. Also with that GPU, micro stuttering was much worse than with 8800 GTX SLI.

With the 4870X2 and the 5970 micro stuttering was not as bad as with the GX2 but it was noticeable (more so than with modern SLI systems). Especially in heavy duty games like Crysis.

It's especially noticeable while just looking around and enjoying the landscare. The movement of the camera/mouse is not smooth in one flow. It moves around in very small jumps and also your crosshair is jumping around.

About the 3D displays. nV launched a new campaign/product to make 3D Vision compatible with 3DTVs: 3DTV Play. 3D Vision is coming to the big screen, finally!

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_TV_play.html

Can't wait to get a Samsung 55" 3DTV :D But I might wait for a second gen screen just to be on the safe side...

Guess I'll sell my 5850 and buy a 480 instead of going cf then; can't stand stuttering of any kind.

1080p 3D Projectors ... :drooling: 55" is for newbz.. :bleh:

PowerDVD announced support for 3DVision in their next version btw!

scubes
03-20-10, 10:31 AM
If by good you mean non-TN, then no. TV's might come way sooner though.

Btw.

http://i39.tinypic.com/14xp3qh.png

are these real or what????...if they are its not as bad as i thought...

JH24
03-20-10, 10:34 AM
The benchmarks for the GTX480 in the above post look very nice, but I'll take them with a grain of salt for the moment.



I'm more curious how a HD 5970 does against a GTX 480.

Snake101st
03-20-10, 10:37 AM
PowerDVD announced support for 3DVision in their next version btw!


Trial is out here: http://download.cnet.com/CyberLink-PowerDVD/3000-7970_4-10352449.html?tag=mncol

bring on the GTX4x0's!

Iruwen
03-20-10, 11:26 AM
Some more boxes :p Voltage tweak is nice :cool: !

http://www.we-wi.be/Images/asus.jpg


If they designed the cooling for up to 295W due to overvoltage and the actual consumption is below 250W that's cool.

Enrico_be
03-20-10, 02:39 PM
http://www.we-wi.be/Images/Leak2.jpg

nekrosoft13
03-20-10, 02:52 PM
Rollo you wouldn't happen to know if there are any good 3D Vision displays on the horizon?

no good screens soon, only TN crap

Iruwen
03-20-10, 03:22 PM
GTX 480 250W TDP confirmed, GTX 470 probably 216W TDP.

Iruwen
03-20-10, 03:24 PM
are these real or what????...if they are its not as bad as i thought...

The GTX 480 isn't that strong, it's more that the HD 5870 is pretty weak in FC2.

nekrosoft13
03-20-10, 03:24 PM
Didn't you see my post? 3DTV Play will allow you to use any 3DTV and any 3D glasses for 3D Vision!

maybe i mised it, thanks

Rollo
03-20-10, 04:01 PM
no good screens soon, only TN crap

I don't get what people have against TN for a gaming display. I have a 3007WFP-HC (largely avknowledged as one of the better panels) and 3 X 2233RZs.

When I game on a 2233, I'm not saying "Oh noes! I can't sit off to the side of the monitor and my colors aren't as accurate!".

As a matter of fact, I'm usually thinking "Heh, this 3d Vision owns the 3007 WFP-HC." Given my choice between 3d and "superior" panel types, I'll take the 3d anyday. When the drivers for 3d Surround come out my kid gets the 3007.

In answer to your question, the best best single monitor I've personally seen was a 27" Asus at CES.

Toss3
03-20-10, 04:15 PM
I don't get what people have against TN for a gaming display. I have a 3007WFP-HC (largely avknowledged as one of the better panels) and 3 X 2233RZs.

When I game on a 2233, I'm not saying "Oh noes! I can't sit off to the side of the monitor and my colors aren't as accurate!".

As a matter of fact, I'm usually thinking "Heh, this 3d Vision owns the 3007 WFP-HC." Given my choice between 3d and "superior" panel types, I'll take the 3d anyday. When the drivers for 3d Surround come out my kid gets the 3007.

In answer to your question, the best best single monitor I've personally seen was a 27" Asus at CES.

Well I don't like TN-panels because I do a lot of photoshop work and photo retouching, so having accurate colors is pretty important. :) You could always pass on a message to nvidia saying that we want an s-ips 3D display thank you very much! For gaming the panel type isn't that important, but if you don't have room for more than one monitor then it becomes a problem.