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Revs
03-22-10, 04:41 AM
:rofl

Total score on what?! And what is said score??

Muppet
03-22-10, 04:43 AM
5970,5870,5870 2GB 5850 VS. 480, 470 final scores:
http://bbs.pczilla.net/attachments/month_1003/1003221608ade6b763b9b97a63.jpg

What is that the total score for. Is it a game or benchmark. I still take all of these with a grain of salt.

scubes
03-22-10, 04:44 AM
:rofl

Total score on what?! And what is said score??


wot game wot kind of setup >??????<..

Rollo
03-22-10, 06:56 AM
wot happend to BANNING HIM FOR 2 WEEKS this is getin silly now its pointless even reading this to me now.cant believe its still going on and after its just a piece of hardware.

I'll put it this way: if someone as far removed from the situation as me would have time to do a review by the 26th, it's a good bet the people NVIDIA depends on to get the word out on their products will as well.

Iruwen
03-22-10, 07:00 AM
This is the source of the "no benchmarks at PAX" rumor:
http://www.nordichardware.com/en/component/content/article/71-graphics/10910-nvidia-moving-media-embargo-to-march-29th.html

Revs
03-22-10, 07:03 AM
Fermi yields still under 50 percent

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18172/65/

Geforce GTX 480 TDP at 250W

Not too high as some feared

One thing is finally clear. The Geforce GTX 480 specification is locked at this time and Nvidia works hard to ship as many card for its planned launch on 26th US/ 27th Europe. We already told you that it might be all the way to April 6th before you are bale to buy the card but today we have the whole specification.

As we said earlier, the card has 480 cores with seven out of eight clusters enabled while the chip itself is designed with full 512 cores/shaders. The most important clock is the shader clock that today works at 1401MHz while the GPU clock is at round 700MHz. The graphics clock is a quite unusual 1848MHz and the card itself has a 384-bit memory interface and comes with 1536MB of memory.

Fermi's TDP stirred up quite a bit of speculation, but we finally have some exact numbers. The TDP is not close to 300W as many have suggested before, it's 250W. This is much higher than the 188W TDP of Radeon HD 5870, but as long as Fermi Gefroce GTX 480 runs stable, it should satisfy its proud owners. The GTX 470 will obviously have a slightly lower TDP, probably slightly higher than HD 5870's TDP.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18170/65/

LydianKnight
03-22-10, 08:42 AM
Hah! Eat that one, fkin' Charlie xD

jlippo
03-22-10, 09:19 AM
:rofl

Total score on what?! And what is said score??
Lenght and E-P***s ;)

JH24
03-22-10, 09:20 AM
Charlie was the one who said it would be close to 300 Watt, right?


Anyway, in a way I'm glad he was wrong. His articles about Nvidia are...interesting. I never understood why he had to write in such an aggressive way.



Although, does this still mean, an even powerful Fermi will be released one day with everything enabled?

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 09:49 AM
Rumored GTX 480 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset

http://www.we-wi.be/Images/3dmarkgtx480.jpg
EDIT: Note the forceware driver, 197.03 ... hmm, shouldn't that be 197.17 ?


If we compare GPU score (not 3DMark score) with HD5870 and GTX285 (Tomshardware benchmark (http://www.we-wi.be/Images/3DMarkGPU.png))

-GTX 480:
~16% faster then HD5870
~54% faster than GTX285

I know 3DMark doesn't always reflect performance in games but still, I think the ~15% or more (HD5870) and 50++% (GTX 285) are gonna be real though :) 250 Watt TDP, a nice looking card with it's massive heatpipes, hopefully also some good overclocking -> it's clear that it's gonna be the fastest single GPU on the market :)

edit:
I also don't like Charlie, it's the way he writes his articles, they are so full of hate :/ ? I'm an NVIDIA fan but I would never write something that negative about ATI for example, you know :/ People are allowed to speculate but not like Charlie does it, he shouldn't be allowed to post on a news site ! Lol, I've just read some forum topics there ... SA | Funny guy (http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36580&postcount=168) :screwy: ...

Toss3
03-22-10, 10:15 AM
Rumored GTX 480 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset

http://www.we-wi.be/Images/3dmarkgtx480.jpg
EDIT: Note the forceware driver, 197.03 ... hmm, shouldn't that be 197.17 ?


If we compare GPU score (not 3DMark score) with HD5870 and GTX285 (Tomshardware benchmark (http://www.we-wi.be/Images/3DMarkGPU.png))

-GTX 480:
~16% faster then HD5870
~54% faster than GTX285

I know 3DMark doesn't always reflect performance in games but still, I think the ~15% or more (HD5870) and 50++% (GTX 285) are gonna be real though :) 250 Watt TDP, a nice looking card with it's massive heatpipes, hopefully also some good overclocking -> it's clear that it's gonna be the fastest single GPU on the market :)

edit:
I also don't like Charlie, it's the way he writes his articles, they are so full of hate :/ ? I'm an NVIDIA fan but I would never write something that negative about ATI for example, you know :/ People are allowed to speculate but not like Charlie does it, he shouldn't be allowed to post on a news site ! Lol, I've just read some forum topics there ... SA | Funny guy (http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36580&postcount=168) :screwy: ...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1253/6/

Tom's hardware isn't reliable.

5870 Extreme Preset: 9172, GPU: 8900

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 10:21 AM
That doesn't change much really :p It's still gonna be the fastest single GPU :) Also I was gonna delete that Image because it seems to be fake, GPUZ0.3.9 can't read all the Fermi specs according to a dutch tweakers forum member :)

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http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/14248999-post364.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareluxx.de%2Fcommunity%2F1 4248999-post364.html&sl=auto&tl=en)

3DMark Vantage Extreme
HD5970: 12339
GTX480: 9688
HD5870: 8912
GTX470: 7527
HD5850: 6848

GTX480 : ~9% faster than HD5870 and ~70% faster than GTX285
GTX470 : ~10% faster than HD5850 and ~32% faster than GTX285

Toss3
03-22-10, 10:39 AM
That doesn't change much really :p It's still gonna be the fastest single GPU :) Also I was gonna delete that Image because it seems to be fake, GPUZ0.3.9 can't read all the Fermi specs according to a dutch tweakers forum member :)

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http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/14248999-post364.html (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareluxx.de%2Fcommunity%2F1 4248999-post364.html&sl=auto&tl=en)

3DMark Vantage Extreme
HD5970: 12339
GTX480: 9688
HD5870: 8912
GTX470: 7527
HD5850: 6848

GTX480 : ~9% faster than HD5870 and ~70% faster than GTX285
GTX470 : ~10% faster than HD5850 and ~32% faster than GTX285

You do realize that you're quoting a guy that has only 1 post on that forum?

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 10:51 AM
You do realize that you're quoting a guy that has only 1 post on that forum?

Yes I know :) But somebody on the net must have leaked something by now ^^ And probably only 1 post because he wants to stay unknown but it could be fake offcourse. The previous 3Dmark Image I posted is also more than likely to be fake.

But I agree, I think it's best that I don't post rumors anymore ^^ The truth is probably already somewhere out there on the internet but within 4 days we'll all know what the GTX 470 and 480 really perform :)
* Zotac GTX480 countdown clock for launch (http://topic.pcpop.com/newtopics/zotac1003/)

weevil
03-22-10, 10:59 AM
I think it's best that I don't post rumors anymore

It's all good fun Enrico and exciting, we can enjoy the time in speculation before a new card comes out, don't feel bad. My wife is falling for my story (again) about 'It's Educational!' and is authorising my getting the 480. Almost :)

Toss3
03-22-10, 11:21 AM
Yes I know :) But somebody on the net must have leaked something by now ^^ And probably only 1 post because he wants to stay unknown but it could be fake offcourse. The previous 3Dmark Image I posted is also more than likely to be fake.

But I agree, I think it's best that I don't post rumors anymore ^^ The truth is probably already somewhere out there on the internet but within 4 days we'll all know what the GTX 470 and 480 really perform :)
* Zotac GTX480 countdown clock for launch (http://topic.pcpop.com/newtopics/zotac1003/)

Hey don't stop posting rumours - it's part of the fun! Can't wait to see how fermi does against the 5800-series!

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 11:35 AM
Hehe :p In that case, I won't let you down guys :D And yeah, Toss3 and Weevil, it's kinda fun and exciting :cool:

Btw, has this been posted yet ? It's for the lucky ones who live in the UK :p
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Enrico_be
03-22-10, 11:53 AM
Okay guys, I give you a new RUMOR :cool: I just found this, it's posted not long ago !!

Do we have someone on the forum that can translate chinese !!!!????

http://translate.google.be/translate?hl=nl&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.pcinlife.com%2Fthread-1382301-1-1.html&anno=2

http://www.we-wi.be/Images/driver.png

Am I thinking what I think I'm looking/reading @ :D ??? New driver in April, 30% increase :thinker: ? or am I being to optimistic here :p :headexplode: ?

Toss3
03-22-10, 12:01 PM
Okay guys, I give you a new RUMOR :cool: I just found this, it's posted not long ago !!

Do we have someone on the forum that can translate chinese !!!!????

http://translate.google.be/translate?hl=nl&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwe.pcinlife.com%2Fthread-1382301-1-1.html&anno=2

Am I thinking what I think I'm looking/reading @ :D ??? New driver in April, 30% increase :thinker: ? or am I being to optimistic here :p :headexplode: ?

There's always a rumour saying that a magic driver release is in the works that's going to make your cards run 50% faster! Of course a new driver is going to improve the performance of the cards, but 30%? That's part is total bollocks. :)

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 12:09 PM
There's always a rumour saying that a magic driver release is in the works that's going to make your cards run 50% faster! Of course a new driver is going to improve the performance of the cards, but 30%? That's part is total bollocks. :)

Why not, Fermi is a almost a new architecture and we all know drivers are a quality point of Nvidia :) (granted 196.75 was a bit fail with the fan issues)
Also, according to Fudzilla, Mass availabiltity will be on 6 April so if Nvidia launches these drivers early April that would sell those GTX 480's like hot cakes :p

I have also yet to see this but I don't think it's impossible :)

Revs
03-22-10, 12:11 PM
There's always a rumour saying that a magic driver release is in the works that's going to make your cards run 50% faster! Of course a new driver is going to improve the performance of the cards, but 30%? That's part is total bollocks. :)

Unless it's been intentionally restricted :bleh:

Toss3
03-22-10, 01:25 PM
Unless it's been intentionally restricted :bleh:
Betcha this is going to be Hell_Of_Doom's excuse if the performance won't be on par with the 5870. ;)

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 01:30 PM
Another rumor coming in :D The guy has 18,911 posts on the futuremark forums BUT he said it was tested against ATI's 10.2 drivers :/ ! I know Marc from tweakers.net is preparing his review with the new ATI 10.3 drivers :)

http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125009

Thanks to a "certain" friend of mine who's under the NDA, i've had a quick look at nVidia FTP with pics, "reviewer's guides", drivers an most improtantly a whole plethora of the GTX470/480 benchmarks against the HD5850 and HD5870 and from what i've seen, the GTX480 beats the HD5870 easily by 25% on average. Sometimes it's 10% sometimes 50-60% but the GTX480 always wins.

They used the 10.2 ATi cats for their comparison by the way.

So yeah, don't read too hard into certain people's fear mongering anti-nVidia BS.

shadow001
03-22-10, 01:34 PM
Fermi yields still under 50 percent

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18172/65/

Geforce GTX 480 TDP at 250W



http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18170/65/

Hah! Eat that one, fkin' Charlie xD


Actually,the 295 watt TDP figure assumed it would be from the GTX480 cards with the full 512 shaders onboard,not with 32 of them disabled,which also means less tesselation power and 4 texture units lighter as well.


There are 16 shader blocks in the GF100:

http://www.techreport.com/r.x/gf100-arch/gf100-block.png


1 of them is disabled completely:


http://www.techreport.com/r.x/gf100-arch/sm-block.png


And this would be the overall specs for the GTX480 and if it had the full 512 shaders(not 480) and the core ran at 725 Mhz(not 700),with the shaders operating at 1450Mhz(not 1400 even),and using memory clocked at 2100Mhz,not the 1800Mhz that the information on hand suggests.....All courtesy of the tech report.


http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/Capture9.jpg


So while i'm not saying that the current version as it is can't beat an HD5870 card,if the cards had been released with the specifications in the above tech report chart,the performance lead that the GTX480 would have been larger still,but also have a higher TDP as there's more hardware running,and doing so at higher clock speeds afterall.

shadow001
03-22-10, 02:41 PM
Add this one in the rumour dept as well...Seems it's a chart with relative performance differences between cards,across multiple games and adding up the average FPS results in each game for a final sum total for each card,sort of like what tom's hardware has done in the past when comparing video cards.


The chart was posted at beyond 3D,but it comes from china originally,and as usual,take it with the usual truckloads of salt:


http://home.akku.tv/~akku38901/benchmarktotals.jpg


It does seem to validate the roughly 10% performance improvement for the GTX480,when compared to the HD5870 cards though,and the HD5970 card is just way out there overall.