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Enrico_be
03-22-10, 03:48 PM
Gigabyte's GTX 480.

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MSI GTX 480.
http://www.we-wi.be/Images/msi.png

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Inno3d watercooling solution.

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shadow001
03-22-10, 03:53 PM
More news here that also seems to indicate the top fermi cards have 480 shaders and not the full 512 ones present in the GF100 architecture,and that at least some of the performance leaks shown so far,were indeed of those few cards that actually have the full 512 shaders enabled,not the performance benchmarks for retail cards packing 480 shaders.


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597530/fermi-gpus-pack-punch


The first comment on that page(scroll down a bit),even suggests that websites might get those cherry picked 512 shader cards to evaluate and benchmark,and not the 480 shader variety,which are are the cards end users get to purchase in retail outlets,so we'll see what happends.


The article ws written today,just 4 days away from the launch.

lee63
03-22-10, 03:53 PM
MSI looks nice :D

shadow001
03-22-10, 04:26 PM
ATI's internal RSS feed seems to be updated quite regularly this week. shadow001 is on a mission again :thumbdwn:


News articles from the net slawter,that's all it is...The definitive proof is only a few days away anyhow so we'll see then for sure.

onmikesline
03-22-10, 04:46 PM
i see a fail :(

rombat
03-22-10, 04:47 PM
Interesting article shadow001, we all know that the retail Fermi will have 480 shaders I like to know when the real Fermi with 512 shaders be released, end of this year???

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 04:51 PM
More news here that also seems to indicate the top fermi cards have 480 shaders and not the full 512 ones present in the GF100 architecture,and that at least some of the performance leaks shown so far,were indeed of those few cards that actually have the full 512 shaders enabled,not the performance benchmarks for retail cards packing 480 shaders.


http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597530/fermi-gpus-pack-punch


The first comment on that page(scroll down a bit),even suggests that websites might get those cherry picked 512 shader cards to evaluate and benchmark,and not the 480 shader variety,which are are the cards end users get to purchase in retail outlets,so we'll see what happends.


The article ws written today,just 4 days away from the launch.

Why is it that a lot of people expected 512 cores while on the official NVIDIA GEFORCE pages it clearly states : Packing in 3 billion transistors, double the CUDA cores of previous generation GPUs ? This page has been there for like 2-3 months or so ? GTX 280 had 240 CUDA cores and a TDP of ~240WATT, GTX 480 will have 480 and a TDP of ~250WATT ... I'm quite happy :)

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/gf100_uk.html

Perhaps GTX 480 512 was a number announced by some (anti-nvidia) dude named Charlie (who was fired from the Inquirer btw, haha ! Probably his own fault :p), he who created some early negative, anti-fermi, fear hype articles ? Well it seems the cards won't be slow (hell, what does he think of a HD5870 then when it performs ~x% less than GTX480 ?), won't be bugged, won't be too hot. We're yet to see this off-course but I'm sure Nvidia wouldn't release something that's hot, bugged and slow, don't you think Shadow001 or do you really think the cards will be fail :) ?

lee63
03-22-10, 05:14 PM
i see a fail :(
Explain ?

wysiwyg
03-22-10, 05:31 PM
Explain ?

ignore button

lee63
03-22-10, 05:36 PM
ignore buttonI wanna see what he has to say.

onmikesline
03-22-10, 05:58 PM
about the heath care bill

lee63
03-22-10, 06:07 PM
about the heath care bill
Just like I thought....nothing!!!

shadow001
03-22-10, 06:22 PM
Why is it that a lot of people expected 512 cores while on the official NVIDIA GEFORCE pages it clearly states : Packing in 3 billion transistors, double the CUDA cores of previous generation GPUs ? This page has been there for like 2-3 months or so ? GTX 280 had 240 CUDA cores and a TDP of ~240WATT, GTX 480 will have 480 and a TDP of ~250WATT ... I'm quite happy :)

http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/gf100_uk.html

Perhaps GTX 480 512 was a number announced by some (anti-nvidia) dude named Charlie (who was fired from the Inquirer btw, haha ! Probably his own fault :p), he who created some early negative, anti-fermi, fear hype articles ? Well it seems the cards won't be slow (hell, what does he think of a HD5870 then when it performs ~x% less than GTX480 ?), won't be bugged, won't be too hot. We're yet to see this off-course but I'm sure Nvidia wouldn't release something that's hot, bugged and slow, don't you think Shadow001 or do you really think the cards will be fail :) ?


The core actually features 512 shaders for one,and pretty much all tech websites showed the nvidia supplied slides showing that there is indeed 512 shaders in it for the last several months,including that picture i linked to at the tech report,so that reduction affects single precision math,dual precision math,texturing and tesselation power if one of those shader blocks is disabled basically.


So it wasn't charlie stating it had 512 shaders,but Nvidia itself here,and the main point is if the leaked performance slides are from chips that came out really well,and have all 512 shaders enabled,or are they of the 480 shader version that people can go out and buy them at retail.


Will websites be reviewing the version that people can actually buy?,or those cherry picked 512 shader versions which will obviously perform better than the ones at retail?


We'll see in 4 days time i guess.

shadow001
03-22-10, 06:29 PM
Here's another picture,this time from anandtech from their late january "Deep dive" article on the gaming abilities of the GF100:


http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/Capture10.jpg


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=2


There's no confusion possible basically,it clearly also states 512 shaders,just like the tech report article did.

Iruwen
03-22-10, 06:33 PM
Unless it's been intentionally restricted :bleh:

The reviewers are testing the cards now, so there is no way Nvidia is holding back some "magic driver". I don't think they'll want worse reviews on launch than they'll already get.

PS: performance can still increase by 10-20% after six months, as Catalyst 10.3a shows.

Iruwen
03-22-10, 06:40 PM
The first comment on that page(scroll down a bit),even suggests that websites might get those cherry picked 512 shader cards to evaluate and benchmark,and not the 480 shader variety,which are are the cards end users get to purchase in retail outlets,so we'll see what happends.

This is incorrect, at least the German hardware mags that got a GTX 480 all have cards with the final specs. And reliable sources say that GTX 480 average performance is more than 10% above HD 5870. And the cards' cooling is quiet. But idle consumption seems to be almost en par with the GTX 295, which is bad. Some say that GF100 will be almost irrelevant (well, enthusiast hardware almost always is for overall sales), GF104 will be the most interesting chip since it will have less SMs but higher clocks.

/e: people that are smarter than me over at 3dcenter.org calculated that the missing SM (32 cores) makes a difference of ~5-8% in real world situations. Considering the already low yield rates, it was a wise decision to disable it. The cards will still be fast enough. And the slides are still correct because the architecture features a maximum of 512 cores. There's just one SM disabled for now. We can be almost sure there will be a GTX 485. That's why I won't be getting a GTX 480 for now.

shadow001
03-22-10, 06:54 PM
This is incorrect, at least the German hardware mags that got a GTX 480 all have cards with the final specs. And reliable sources say that GTX 480 average performance is more than 10% above HD 5870. And the cards' cooling is quiet. But idle consumption seems to be almost en par with the GTX 295, which is bad. Some say that GF100 will be almost irrelevant (well, enthusiast hardware almost always is for overall sales), GF104 will be the most interesting chip since it will have less SMs but higher clocks.



It's been a known fact for a long time that the very highest end cards aren't the ones that pay the bills,since most people don't want to pay 500$+ for them,so it's mostly in the midrange and lower end products,the ones that ship and sell by the millions,where most of the money gets made,even if the profit margins are pretty slim on an individual card basis.


Did they use the 10.3a driver set for ATI when establishing that performance difference between the HD5870 and the GTX480?,or the older 10.2 drivers?....There's some pretty decent speedups on the 10.3's and the official WHQL 10.3 release is on the 24th of march.

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 06:55 PM
Here's another picture,this time from anandtech from their late january "Deep dive" article on the gaming abilities of the GF100:

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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3721&p=2

There's no confusion possible basically,it clearly also states 512 shaders,just like the tech report article did.

I admit that I apparently missed some things about that and was wrong, it's only since a good month that I've been digging for information :)

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--> NVIDIA GTX 400 series available in higher volume than radeon hd 5800 ? (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/3/22/nvidia-geforce-gtx-400-series-available-in-higher-volume-than-radeon-hd-5800.aspx)

For instance, we learned that more than one AIC vendor ordered 10,000 boards all on their own, and that was the volume higher than some of malicious rumors that were spread around by ill-informed individuals. While we do not have the complete number for "Day 1" of sales, we know that nVidia sales team approached all sizes of AIC manufacturers and even accepted the terms from vendors that only wanted to see the GPUs. Yes, we should even see a custom design GTX 400 at launch. According to leaked images online, don't be surprised if we see more than one board design carrying DisplayPort connectors.

Getting back to the subject of nVidia's allocation and how come it has more than 2:1 ratio with Cypress GPU at launch, we learned that there is quite a good reason why nVidia's GeForce GTX 480 will come with 480 cores, as we first reported here. According to the sources at hand, nVidia was only able to produce a lowly board figure with 512 cores enabled [low 10s of thousands], thus there was a situation with potential shortage and a media and market backlash. The company acted upon the situation at hand and limited the number of cores, radically increasing the amount of functional GF100 dies. As a result, there should be more than 50,000 Fermi boards [this may not be the final figure, as we could not contact all AIC vendors and OEMs] available in the first 10 days of sales. According to our sources close to heart of the company, nVidia wants to overtake the number of Cypress GPUs [both Hemlock and Cypress, i.e. 5800 and 5900 Series] by the end of summer. This does not include the mainstream parts of Evergreen family, to which AMD is steadily approaching the number of three million shipped dies [the three million mark should be hit very soon, if not hit already].

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All in all, regardless of you being Green or Red, this will be good two weeks for graphics. If you chose to acquire Red cards, there will be a series of "adjusted pricing" across the board, while Green cards will show their teeth and show themselves among numerous e-tailers and retailers.

shadow001
03-22-10, 07:03 PM
I admit that I apparently missed some things about that and was wrong, it's only since a good month that I've been digging for information :)

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--> NVIDIA GTX 400 series available in higher volume than radeon hd 5800 ? (http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2010/3/22/nvidia-geforce-gtx-400-series-available-in-higher-volume-than-radeon-hd-5800.aspx)


About 50 000 was also the number available for HD5850/HD5870 cards when they were launched too,and the stock ran out in a matter of a couple of days until a second batch arrived about 2 months later in early december.

Enrico_be
03-22-10, 07:08 PM
About 50 000 was also the number available for HD5850/HD5870 cards when they were launched too,and the stock ran out in a matter of a couple of days until a second batch arrived about 2 months later in early december.

Note that he also says in his article : "This may not be the final figure, as we could not contact all AIC vendors and OEMs". So there are probably gonna be quite a lot of GTX boards the next weeks :) (50000+)
And if we can believe Fudzilla, in April there will me massive availability but I'd take that with a spoonful of salt :p

nekrosoft13
03-22-10, 07:12 PM
ATI's internal RSS feed seems to be updated quite regularly this week. shadow001 is on a mission again :thumbdwn:

he has to earn that check somehow

Iruwen
03-22-10, 07:28 PM
Did they use the 10.3a driver set for ATI when establishing that performance difference between the HD5870 and the GTX480?,or the older 10.2 drivers?....There's some pretty decent speedups on the 10.3's and the official WHQL 10.3 release is on the 24th of march.

They bench with 10.3a. There are other sources that seem to support an average performance plus of ~15% or more, here (http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125009) for example. There are some reviewers from the bigger German hardware mags at 3dcenter.org that don't give definite numbers due to the NDA but somehow confirm those news.
What makes people a bit disappointed currently is the high idle consumption, which may be as high as 60-70W (as compared to HD 5870s 27W).

lee63
03-22-10, 08:44 PM
50,000..that's a crap load, should have no problem getting a couple on launch day then.

Slytat
03-22-10, 09:12 PM
50,000..that's a crap load, should have no problem getting a couple on launch day then.

Indeed mate, I'm looking forward to a couple of these as well.

Nice to see they'll have some decent numbers on launch day or thereabouts :)

Rollo
03-22-10, 09:21 PM
50,000..that's a crap load, should have no problem getting a couple on launch day then.

But then there won't be anymore for 9 months- Charlie said so. LOL

Competition returns to the high end, up next, mid and low range. :D

BTW- if that BSON supply article is true, and pricing rumors are true, I think this is a business coup by NVIDIA. Some ATi supporters notwithstanding, the market will fall on these cards like a pack of starving wolves.

Time to go run some FRAPs on DX11 games......
;)