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Xion X2
01-25-10, 12:33 AM
Profiles are included in the Catalyst 10.1 version due by the end of the month.:)

We need to keep the facts out of this thread, now. Sly's on a roll.

Fotis
01-25-10, 12:40 AM
This is going to be a very long thread until we have some solid GF100 benchmarks! :D

Xion X2
01-25-10, 12:51 AM
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/2673/sapphhd597027.jpg

GTX 295 = -36%

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5404/sapphhd597082.jpg

GTX 295 = -44%

But I'm sure that 285 SLI would be able to close both of those gaps to 10%...

Hell, even a single 5870 beats the GTX295 in those benches.

Slytat
01-25-10, 05:36 AM
Profiles are included in the Catalyst 10.1 version due by the end of the month.:)

That's good news indeed :)

Sowk
01-25-10, 09:13 AM
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5970_performance_preview/images/wolf1920.gif

Look... I too found a Benchmark where the GTX295 is better then the ATI 5970...

:)

look at every benchmark except the 4 you posted and you will notice GTX285 in SLI is about the same speed as a ATI 5970...

hehe.

P.S. I'm sure if I had time to look around I would find a couple of benchmarks where a GTX295 or a SLI GTX285 setup is faster then the ATI. now what?

If Nvidia allowed ATI to use PhysX, I would have dual ATI 5970's right now. So I too don't have any tinted glasses... :cool: - just black.

Sowk
01-25-10, 09:24 AM
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5404/sapphhd597082.jpg



YES!!!! I can play a game at 18 FPS... :nana:

Xion X2
01-25-10, 10:00 AM
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5970_performance_preview/images/wolf1920.gif

Look... I too found a Benchmark where the GTX295 is better then the ATI 5970...

:)



The point is to find games that are graphically intensive to do your comparison with since we're discussing cutting-edge hardware. Why should anyone expect a brand new card to really shine in games that already run over 70fps on prior hardware (GTX 275) like in your Wolfenstein test?

That's why I posted benches specifically of Crysis and the new Stalker, because they are the two most graphically intense games on the market and allow for a more accurate gauge of the strength of newer hardware. Need for Speed is also a newer title which can be demanding when you turn up the AA.

Sure, you'll see benches that show there's not much of a difference between 5970 and 295 or 285 SLI. But consider what it is that you're looking at and whether that game really utilizes the extra graphics power. Also, how do you rationalize the fact that some tests, like the Need for Speed tests at Hardocp, show the 5970 more than doubling the GTX 295 in performance?

Sowk
01-25-10, 10:28 AM
For all the games I play currently, and plan too soon:

CURRENT:

MW2
GRID
BATMAN AA
MASS EFFECT

FUTURE:

BIO SHOCK 2
MASS EFFECT 2
RESIDENT EVIL 5
BATMAN AA 2
ALIEN VS PREDITOR (JUST ADDED)
Crysis (again) only when i can hit above 60+fps Min at all times.

Those are just for the PC...

Console:

God of War 3
Final Fantasy XIII
Bayonetta (maybe)
Alan Wake
Shadow Complex

The Ati doesn't offer me enough reason to go anywhere. And in every game mentioned... except crysis. If there is a difference it is only ~10% or less.

But by the same token: The Fermi wouldn't also.

Unless I can get 2 x Dual Fermi Boards and get my Min 60+ FPS in Crysis @ 1920X1080 4aa/16af. + keep PhysX for Batman AA 2

Fotis
01-25-10, 01:00 PM
Sowk, you aint planing on playing AvP and Battlefield : Bad Company?

Sowk
01-25-10, 01:12 PM
Sowk, you aint planing on playing AvP and Battlefield : Bad Company?

Just Added AVP

Never got into Battlefield series.

I don't even have enough time to play the once I have listed now... :(

I'm interested to see what, if any graphical features DX11 brings and how much of a performance hit.

Game developers need to slow the hell down... :)

HYBRID
01-25-10, 02:58 PM
You can pick and choose the "facts" that support your argument but your opinions really don't matter to me and I couldn't care less whether you've said "nice things" about Nvidia.

What does that have to do with anything?

As I've repeatedly told you, I've done my own testing and it's in line with G3Ds. The 5970 just isn't that much faster (but it is slightly faster). 10-15% faster against 18 month old technology might get you excited but it doesn't do much for me.

As I said the last time, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Thanks

:)

PS : Maybe you should write to Hilbert (the owner of G3D) and tell him he doesn't know how to do benchmarks properly :rolleyes:

OK dude you just keep telling yourself what you believe. :rolleyes2

Slytat
01-25-10, 03:25 PM
OK dude you just keep telling yourself what you believe. :rolleyes2

That doesn't actually make any sense and there is no need to try and reignite a dead argument.

@ Fotis - Do you have any links that defnitively say that the 10.1 drivers are going to have profiles? I can't find anything concrete.

I found this :

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1385051

gulizard
01-26-10, 05:43 AM
Even if ATI was remotely faster, I could careless as well. ATI is junk. The first ATI card I owned literally caught fire inside my case. I called ATI who was the manufacture of the card, this is back when ATI actually made its own card, and they couldn't explain what may have happened. The next card I got for a little bit more after taking the one that burnt back to bestbuy was a 9800. I got BSOD's all the time in Matrix's Online, HL2 card I got with it was cool, and I did keep it, however when HL2 came out the game ran like pure crap on the 9800. So I ended up sitting on a 9800, and going out and grabbing a 5950 Ultra. I think. It may have been a bit smaller. Game play was smoother, even though people claimed the ATI card's were much faster, and less buggier, and there were no crashes.

I've owned nvidia all my life since then. I ain't going to trade it out because some guy says he can get 130 FPS on ATI, opposed to my 100 FPS. So what. I can't tell the difference, if I can play and kill people at the highest level of detail then I couldn't careless so as long as its smooth, and nvidia has done that for me. Some here play with ungodly resolutions, me I am happy with my 1600 by 1050 resolution, and that took me forever to get use to considering I was using the standard 1280 by 1024 resolution.

This is like the great Ford Vs Chevy debacle. These guys get these trucks and they have to make it known they have a better truck, when in reality I work with these trucks all day and I will tell you what, forget what some numbers on a site said, FORD is more reliable, pulls better, last longer. Same for nvidia, its much more reliable (from my experience in owning both ATI, and Nvidia) and the drivers do not crash. In fact I cannot report one blue screen with nvidia drivers. Not one that ever pertained to a blue screen that was nvidia's drivers being at fault. I've had to reinstall them because they didn't install right before, but that is it.

Fermi is what its going to be, nvidia has been schooling ATI for sometime to come. I believe they will continue, and its not about which is better. Its about whose more loyal. Honestly which is more cooler? The pretty nvidia green logo, or the crappy ati red. nvidia has a way cooler logo, a better site to navigate through, more things support nvidia, the name is cooler, I mean just going to their site makes you feel like you have one bad ass card. Which is true you do.

Fotis
01-26-10, 06:14 AM
That doesn't actually make any sense and there is no need to try and reignite a dead argument.

@ Fotis - Do you have any links that defnitively say that the 10.1 drivers are going to have profiles? I can't find anything concrete.

I found this :

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1385051

They are in the 10.1 beta version that was leaked some days ago but it might take 10.2 for official support.

Pcgameshardware (http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,703232/Catalyst-101-Crossfire-profiles-and-improved-Eyefinity-support/News/)
Rage3D (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33958073)

Slytat
01-26-10, 06:39 AM
They are in the 10.1 beta version that was leaked some days ago but it might take 10.2 for official support.

Pcgameshardware (http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,703232/Catalyst-101-Crossfire-profiles-and-improved-Eyefinity-support/News/)
Rage3D (http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33958073)

Ok, I haven't tried those yet but I will right now :)

Johnny C
01-26-10, 09:22 AM
Just Added AVP

Never got into Battlefield series.

I don't even have enough time to play the once I have listed now... :(

I'm interested to see what, if any graphical features DX11 brings and how much of a performance hit.

Game developers need to slow the hell down... :)

Correction: Microsoft slow down....game developers speed up.

shadow001
01-26-10, 12:19 PM
Even if ATI was remotely faster, I could careless as well. ATI is junk. The first ATI card I owned literally caught fire inside my case. I called ATI who was the manufacture of the card, this is back when ATI actually made its own card, and they couldn't explain what may have happened. The next card I got for a little bit more after taking the one that burnt back to bestbuy was a 9800. I got BSOD's all the time in Matrix's Online, HL2 card I got with it was cool, and I did keep it, however when HL2 came out the game ran like pure crap on the 9800. So I ended up sitting on a 9800, and going out and grabbing a 5950 Ultra. I think. It may have been a bit smaller. Game play was smoother, even though people claimed the ATI card's were much faster, and less buggier, and there were no crashes.

I've owned nvidia all my life since then. I ain't going to trade it out because some guy says he can get 130 FPS on ATI, opposed to my 100 FPS. So what. I can't tell the difference, if I can play and kill people at the highest level of detail then I couldn't careless so as long as its smooth, and nvidia has done that for me. Some here play with ungodly resolutions, me I am happy with my 1600 by 1050 resolution, and that took me forever to get use to considering I was using the standard 1280 by 1024 resolution.

This is like the great Ford Vs Chevy debacle. These guys get these trucks and they have to make it known they have a better truck, when in reality I work with these trucks all day and I will tell you what, forget what some numbers on a site said, FORD is more reliable, pulls better, last longer. Same for nvidia, its much more reliable (from my experience in owning both ATI, and Nvidia) and the drivers do not crash. In fact I cannot report one blue screen with nvidia drivers. Not one that ever pertained to a blue screen that was nvidia's drivers being at fault. I've had to reinstall them because they didn't install right before, but that is it.

Fermi is what its going to be, nvidia has been schooling ATI for sometime to come. I believe they will continue, and its not about which is better. Its about whose more loyal. Honestly which is more cooler? The pretty nvidia green logo, or the crappy ati red. nvidia has a way cooler logo, a better site to navigate through, more things support nvidia, the name is cooler, I mean just going to their site makes you feel like you have one bad ass card. Which is true you do.


Keep enjoying the wait then i guess....

Johnny C
01-26-10, 12:31 PM
Even if ATI was remotely faster, I could careless as well. ATI is junk. The first ATI card I owned literally caught fire inside my case. I called ATI who was the manufacture of the card, this is back when ATI actually made its own card, and they couldn't explain what may have happened. The next card I got for a little bit more after taking the one that burnt back to bestbuy was a 9800. I got BSOD's all the time in Matrix's Online, HL2 card I got with it was cool, and I did keep it, however when HL2 came out the game ran like pure crap on the 9800. So I ended up sitting on a 9800, and going out and grabbing a 5950 Ultra. I think. It may have been a bit smaller. Game play was smoother, even though people claimed the ATI card's were much faster, and less buggier, and there were no crashes.

I've owned nvidia all my life since then. I ain't going to trade it out because some guy says he can get 130 FPS on ATI, opposed to my 100 FPS. So what. I can't tell the difference, if I can play and kill people at the highest level of detail then I couldn't careless so as long as its smooth, and nvidia has done that for me. Some here play with ungodly resolutions, me I am happy with my 1600 by 1050 resolution, and that took me forever to get use to considering I was using the standard 1280 by 1024 resolution.

This is like the great Ford Vs Chevy debacle. These guys get these trucks and they have to make it known they have a better truck, when in reality I work with these trucks all day and I will tell you what, forget what some numbers on a site said, FORD is more reliable, pulls better, last longer. Same for nvidia, its much more reliable (from my experience in owning both ATI, and Nvidia) and the drivers do not crash. In fact I cannot report one blue screen with nvidia drivers. Not one that ever pertained to a blue screen that was nvidia's drivers being at fault. I've had to reinstall them because they didn't install right before, but that is it.

Fermi is what its going to be, nvidia has been schooling ATI for sometime to come. I believe they will continue, and its not about which is better. Its about whose more loyal. Honestly which is more cooler? The pretty nvidia green logo, or the crappy ati red. nvidia has a way cooler logo, a better site to navigate through, more things support nvidia, the name is cooler, I mean just going to their site makes you feel like you have one bad ass card. Which is true you do.

Yeah cause you're opinion isn't biased by the fact that you spent 50K on a pickup truck.

I've worked in the oilsands most of my adult life.....in the worst mining conditions on earth +40'C summer and -50'C winter....know what holds up....Chevy.....Dodges have issues with the bodies actually falling apart not to mention the front ends are made up of happy thoughts(no real substance), Fords hold up better but they nuke engines so fast you'd wonder if they were made from paper mache...6.4 powerstroke= my injectors like to stick on and hydraulic the piston....yay ford. How much is a new powerstroke? Not to mention clutches and transfer cases...in 10 years we've never had a chevy blow the transfer case, every ford we've had has done it at least once. Honestly I don't know about the new K5500's they've bought...they're too new yet to have issues...maybe they'll succumb to the same transfer case issues as the F-550's only time will tell.

Chev has some issues....mainly front end parts...ball joints and tie rod ends and wheel bearings...but they're way cheaper to fix than a hydraulic'd piston thru the side of the block.

So while you may be basing your opinion on what you believe are facts....many have experiences to the contrary. Brand loyalty is absolutely pointless.

As far as ford pulling harder.....all I have to say is G80 differential...

gulizard
01-26-10, 02:18 PM
Yeah cause you're opinion isn't biased by the fact that you spent 50K on a pickup truck.

I've worked in the oilsands most of my adult life.....in the worst mining conditions on earth +40'C summer and -50'C winter....know what holds up....Chevy.....Dodges have issues with the bodies actually falling apart not to mention the front ends are made up of happy thoughts(no real substance), Fords hold up better but they nuke engines so fast you'd wonder if they were made from paper mache...6.4 powerstroke= my injectors like to stick on and hydraulic the piston....yay ford. How much is a new powerstroke? Not to mention clutches and transfer cases...in 10 years we've never had a chevy blow the transfer case, every ford we've had has done it at least once. Honestly I don't know about the new K5500's they've bought...they're too new yet to have issues...maybe they'll succumb to the same transfer case issues as the F-550's only time will tell.

Chev has some issues....mainly front end parts...ball joints and tie rod ends and wheel bearings...but they're way cheaper to fix than a hydraulic'd piston thru the side of the block.

So while you may be basing your opinion on what you believe are facts....many have experiences to the contrary. Brand loyalty is absolutely pointless.

As far as ford pulling harder.....all I have to say is G80 differential...

I spent way more then 50k, but that isn't nothing for me. Chevy is junk. Its a pushrod motor and pushrod is outdated technology. More moving parts. Thats why the lifters begin to rattle after 100k miles on them. I don't care where you worked at. I've worked in coal mines, and the company I am working for now. We've been around for along time. My boss has trucks that would be considered classics if you seen them. Hes got Ford's he had chevys as well, but none of them made it. 79 Ford F150 that I own now with 700k miles on it. 351 Cleveland. Original everything. My last 6.0L Diesel that everyone swore was a dud, had 330k miles on it, never had nothing but the regular tune ups done at the local dealership.

Facts? Its a fact when you pick up consumer reports, which is the one place you can look, and expect to find the harshes reviews of any vehicle, and find that FORD was the one truck that held up to their testing. Chevrolet and GMC both got on the liability a "Less then average" rating. I'd love to take you on a tour and show you what we do to these poor trucks. We've never had to take a Ford in to have major work done to it. We keep them maintained, and we do own Duramax's, 6.0 V8's, 5.3L Vortec V8's. We have plenty of trucks. Even our rangers out do the bigger trucks at lasting longest. Ford has the strongest motor around. Paper mache? What are you doing to them neglecting to change the oil? We have been tearing down the Executive Inn, in Evansville Indiana. Guess what? A guy hit a rock in a Ford F150 service truck that was to big to go under the truck, he didn't realize it, but it punctured the oil pan. He drove 10 miles before the engine locked, we had the truck towed back to our shop, we poured oil in the spark plug valleys, and fixed the oil pan, and were able to get the motor to start up and run. It now runs with no issues at all. Thats FORD TOUGH.

I've taken these motors apart myself buddy. They are made out way stronger material then anything that Government Motors could have. My Powerstroke has had no issues with Injectors. We have a bunch of F250's with 6.4L's they have high miles and are stock, no issues. We have lots of fun at work. I've tied chains to chevy's and fords, and watched the Ford drag the drive shaft out from under the chevrolet. Ford's are stupid and don't know when to quit. I have nothing to say about Dodge. They have one good thing, thats the cummins, and we can get Ford F650's with the Cummins in them so we don't even buy Dodges. We had one, and the suspension was just terrible. No off road capability what so ever.

Anyway to get back on topic. I never said that my opinion was fact. However nvidia has more fans, more people buy nvidia. Its site is easier to manage. Of course someone who just spent 500 bucks on a new ATI card is going to defend ATI. I hate ATI because it caught fire in my PC. EXPLAIN how a video card catches fire? A 9600 SE! They didn't even think it ran hot enough to put a cooling fan on it, and it catches fire. That case was ruined. It stunk like burnt plastic till the day I got rid of it. Not to mention the fans I had in it helped make the fire worse by supply it with oxygen. I am sorry but when I install an ATI card and I see artifacts in the games I play, I uninstall it, and get a card that doesn't. Like I said I enjoy playing my games smooth and crash free. If that means sacrificing 10% of the already awesome performance, so be it. I'll stick with nvidia, because they have been pretty damn good to me. Plus EVGA doesn't make ATI cards, and I only buy from the US :)

Johnny C
01-26-10, 03:25 PM
I spent way more then 50k, but that isn't nothing for me. Chevy is junk. Its a pushrod motor and pushrod is outdated technology. More moving parts. Thats why the lifters begin to rattle after 100k miles on them. I don't care where you worked at. I've worked in coal mines, and the company I am working for now. We've been around for along time. My boss has trucks that would be considered classics if you seen them. Hes got Ford's he had chevys as well, but none of them made it. 79 Ford F150 that I own now with 700k miles on it. 351 Cleveland. Original everything. My last 6.0L Diesel that everyone swore was a dud, had 330k miles on it, never had nothing but the regular tune ups done at the local dealership.

Facts? Its a fact when you pick up consumer reports, which is the one place you can look, and expect to find the harshes reviews of any vehicle, and find that FORD was the one truck that held up to their testing. Chevrolet and GMC both got on the liability a "Less then average" rating. I'd love to take you on a tour and show you what we do to these poor trucks. We've never had to take a Ford in to have major work done to it. We keep them maintained, and we do own Duramax's, 6.0 V8's, 5.3L Vortec V8's. We have plenty of trucks. Even our rangers out do the bigger trucks at lasting longest. Ford has the strongest motor around. Paper mache? What are you doing to them neglecting to change the oil? We have been tearing down the Executive Inn, in Evansville Indiana. Guess what? A guy hit a rock in a Ford F150 service truck that was to big to go under the truck, he didn't realize it, but it punctured the oil pan. He drove 10 miles before the engine locked, we had the truck towed back to our shop, we poured oil in the spark plug valleys, and fixed the oil pan, and were able to get the motor to start up and run. It now runs with no issues at all. Thats FORD TOUGH.

I've taken these motors apart myself buddy. They are made out way stronger material then anything that Government Motors could have. My Powerstroke has had no issues with Injectors. We have a bunch of F250's with 6.4L's they have high miles and are stock, no issues. We have lots of fun at work. I've tied chains to chevy's and fords, and watched the Ford drag the drive shaft out from under the chevrolet. Ford's are stupid and don't know when to quit. I have nothing to say about Dodge. They have one good thing, thats the cummins, and we can get Ford F650's with the Cummins in them so we don't even buy Dodges. We had one, and the suspension was just terrible. No off road capability what so ever.

Anyway to get back on topic. I never said that my opinion was fact. However nvidia has more fans, more people buy nvidia. Its site is easier to manage. Of course someone who just spent 500 bucks on a new ATI card is going to defend ATI. I hate ATI because it caught fire in my PC. EXPLAIN how a video card catches fire? A 9600 SE! They didn't even think it ran hot enough to put a cooling fan on it, and it catches fire. That case was ruined. It stunk like burnt plastic till the day I got rid of it. Not to mention the fans I had in it helped make the fire worse by supply it with oxygen. I am sorry but when I install an ATI card and I see artifacts in the games I play, I uninstall it, and get a card that doesn't. Like I said I enjoy playing my games smooth and crash free. If that means sacrificing 10% of the already awesome performance, so be it. I'll stick with nvidia, because they have been pretty damn good to me. Plus EVGA doesn't make ATI cards, and I only buy from the US :)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=powerstroke+engine+recalls


Back on topic, as consumers we can choose whatever products we wish to support, I'm glad you've had an excellent experience with nVidia. I've used both manufacturers cards, and since I upgrade every cycle I've been through lots. Evga is probably the best GFX card company in the world IMHO.

I've had more driver problems with nVidia...related mostly to install/uninstall error XDC fix that up nicely. And I spent like 1200 bucks on 7950gx2's for Quad SLi...that never ever did work right.

I've only used Ati for the last 2 generation before that it was always nV. I haven't had any real driver issues, other than poor performance with certain "beta" drivers (which is my own fault for trying betas) other than that nothing really.

Like I said I'm glad you love nV...and you love Ford....that's great....brand loyalty....it's cool :D

gulizard
01-26-10, 06:12 PM
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=powerstroke+engine+recalls


Back on topic, as consumers we can choose whatever products we wish to support, I'm glad you've had an excellent experience with nVidia. I've used both manufacturers cards, and since I upgrade every cycle I've been through lots. Evga is probably the best GFX card company in the world IMHO.

I've had more driver problems with nVidia...related mostly to install/uninstall error XDC fix that up nicely. And I spent like 1200 bucks on 7950gx2's for Quad SLi...that never ever did work right.

I've only used Ati for the last 2 generation before that it was always nV. I haven't had any real driver issues, other than poor performance with certain "beta" drivers (which is my own fault for trying betas) other than that nothing really.

Like I said I'm glad you love nV...and you love Ford....that's great....brand loyalty....it's cool :D


Its not loyalty. I've owned both. I like Ford the best. It is fact they are tougher. I'd love to show you that.. As for Powerstroke recalls, that would be the 6.0L. Many people were chipping them, and using the wrong coolant in them. The coolant was breaking down the seals. Ford recommends Premium Gold Coolant, its made for the Powerstroke. Another recall was Turbo's failing, that is lack of putting your foot in it, and it clogging up. The next issue they had was with the fuel in America. When the 6.0L came out it was built by International. It was designed however off of a Europe based company. Back then we had really poor quality fuel. The 6.0L was built to run off the cleaner fuel, not our trashy fuel.

TSB's out do recalls, and that is what GM doesn't want you to know. TSB's are not free to be fixed by the company. Technical Service Bulletins out weigh the ****ty jap motor that GM uses in its bigger trucks, which we know is Duramax, its designed by Isuzu. The TSB's are not free to be fixed, the recalls Ford has were free. There has been one official recall on the 6.4L and it was a a simple computer re-program. As for the Powerstrokes future, the new one the 6.7L will be built by FORD, and DESIGNED by FORD. Its going to be what the 7.3L was to the diesel industry. The 7.3L is known to be the toughest Diesel engine in the industry to put in a 1ton pick up. 444ci motor with a garret turbo charger. Trying to make me look like a fan boy don't work. I believe I've owned and worked around Diesel's and motors long enough to know which is better. Any guy whose ever drag raced will tell you Ford may be expensive to get supped up, but at the end of the day it will run the entire year without issue. Chevy's are prone to blow the blocks, throw rods, and many other issues. GM has had many attempts at a good diesel engine, including its cruddy diesel kit for the old 5.7 (350ci SBC). It failed. If you want to race then get a Duramax, they suck at pulling.

nVidia maybe an opinion, but the benchmarks being posted up don't make me want to buy an ATI card. Some of them show the ATI card doing really well, well thats awesome. However nvidia seems to have better driver support, profiles, things that out weigh the benefits. That is all I was stating. Since people compare getting 70 FPS to 100 FPS. 70 FPS to me looks like 100FPS. Its smooth, and plays good. You also got to realize the resolution and the settings people are doing these benchmarks at.

kaptkarl
01-26-10, 08:38 PM
Even if ATI was remotely faster, I could careless as well. ATI is junk. The first ATI card I owned literally caught fire inside my case. I called ATI who was the manufacture of the card, this is back when ATI actually made its own card, and they couldn't explain what may have happened. The next card I got for a little bit more after taking the one that burnt back to bestbuy was a 9800. I got BSOD's all the time in Matrix's Online, HL2 card I got with it was cool, and I did keep it, however when HL2 came out the game ran like pure crap on the 9800. So I ended up sitting on a 9800, and going out and grabbing a 5950 Ultra. I think. It may have been a bit smaller. Game play was smoother, even though people claimed the ATI card's were much faster, and less buggier, and there were no crashes.

I've owned nvidia all my life since then. I ain't going to trade it out because some guy says he can get 130 FPS on ATI, opposed to my 100 FPS. So what. I can't tell the difference, if I can play and kill people at the highest level of detail then I couldn't careless so as long as its smooth, and nvidia has done that for me. Some here play with ungodly resolutions, me I am happy with my 1600 by 1050 resolution, and that took me forever to get use to considering I was using the standard 1280 by 1024 resolution.

This is like the great Ford Vs Chevy debacle. These guys get these trucks and they have to make it known they have a better truck, when in reality I work with these trucks all day and I will tell you what, forget what some numbers on a site said, FORD is more reliable, pulls better, last longer. Same for nvidia, its much more reliable (from my experience in owning both ATI, and Nvidia) and the drivers do not crash. In fact I cannot report one blue screen with nvidia drivers. Not one that ever pertained to a blue screen that was nvidia's drivers being at fault. I've had to reinstall them because they didn't install right before, but that is it.

Fermi is what its going to be, nvidia has been schooling ATI for sometime to come. I believe they will continue, and its not about which is better. Its about whose more loyal. Honestly which is more cooler? The pretty nvidia green logo, or the crappy ati red. nvidia has a way cooler logo, a better site to navigate through, more things support nvidia, the name is cooler, I mean just going to their site makes you feel like you have one bad ass card. Which is true you do.

Your post is.........wow......where should I begin.......I can't help but respond to this post.

First of all, ATI is NOT junk, nor is NVidia.....ATI just has faster, better and more feature rich cards right now.......period...end of story.....get over it fanboy. The 9700 pro and 9800 pro were by far the best cards on the market in thier time. Beat the pants off anything Nvidia have at the time.....please. Pretty green logo??? Cooler?? Give me a break dude.

Secondly, FORD, Chevy, Dodge.....take your pick.....a matter of your opinion vs someone elses. We could argue this all day. They all have their good and bad points. You obviously are a diehard FORD man. Nothing wrong with that. But don't be condescending to others who think differently.

Thirdly, let me guess...... you're a Harley owner who thinks anything other than a Harley is junk. Once again you're WRONG....so very wrong. I've owned bikes all my life...still do. Once again a matter of opinion.

There is nothing wrong w/ stating your opinion. But that's all it is, an opinion. It's not based on facts, just your personal beliefs. That's ok dude. But take the blinders off once in awhile and look at the facts.

Being in sales for 20+ yrs you always follow the golden rule......sell your product on it's own merits, performance, features, price point, etc. It's a cardinal sin in sales to bad mouth the competition. That shows how fearful you are of them and casts doubt about your own product. Sound familiar here???? hello???

Now let me get back on topic..........I hope the GF100 Fermi rocks. But until the facts are out, let's try not to bad mouth the performance king right now....ATI. Let them have thier due. They deserve it. Hopefully NVidia will put out some smokin' cards in the near future.

Like I said in a previous post, competition is a good thing.:D

Kapt

gulizard
01-26-10, 09:00 PM
How do you figure ATI has richer features? Up until the 5000 series ATI was getting its ass stomped? Faster cards? Really its funny nvidia has been on top for sometime now, up until recently. The name of this forum is NVNEWS. Why are all these ATI fan boys poppin out the wood works praising ATI. Mike C doesn't have an ATI card... I mean come on wtf is all these ATI bs. Who cares if ATI is better. We are here on this forum because we are interested in the nvidia cards.

No FACTS. As in several surveys taken, with PROOF say FORD is a tougher, more reliable truck. We don't buy trucks that aren't reliable. Chevrolet has made it to that list before, and we bought them because they were cheaper, we won't make that mistake again.

FACT: NVIDIA has a nicer website. The name is much more known then ATI. the 9700 pro? It was JUNK. I had a 9800XT I believe was the edition, and it was suppose to be better then a 5900 Ultra, well I couldn't say that because every game I played was plagued by an issue that pertained to ATI cards. As many issues as the 5900 had, it was a great CARD for me. Many people here would argue that ATI is better. It certainly does not have more features. Physic are beginning to take over games today, why because nvidia has been developing software to make them run on their cards. I think I want my card to benefit from Physics. How many more games do you think are going to avoid that aspect here? What about Adobe? Its enhanced for nvidia cards. These big names keep popping up.

I will always agree competition is good, but I like nvidia for the nice features it has, the name is cool. That logo is very pretty. I know that sounds retarded, but theres a study that shows a logo is a big thing in advertisement. Nvidia wins on that aspect. More people bought laptops because it had nvidia graphics in them. NVIDIA is a superior card to ATI, and its crappy drivers. I go and look at reviews on neweggs, and a majority that are reviewing even the new 5900 ati card's say the drivers are not very user friendly, and aren't very well polished.

Ninja Prime
01-26-10, 09:02 PM
How do you figure ATI has richer features? Up until the 5000 series ATI was getting its ass stomped? Faster cards? Really its funny nvidia has been on top for sometime now, up until recently. The name of this forum is NVNEWS. Why are all these ATI fan boys poppin out the wood works praising ATI. Mike C doesn't have an ATI card... I mean come on wtf is all these ATI bs. Who cares if ATI is better. We are here on this forum because we are interested in the nvidia cards.

No FACTS. As in several surveys taken, with PROOF say FORD is a tougher, more reliable truck. We don't buy trucks that aren't reliable. Chevrolet has made it to that list before, and we bought them because they were cheaper, we won't make that mistake again.

FACT: NVIDIA has a nicer website. The name is much more known then ATI. the 9700 pro? It was JUNK. I had a 9800XT I believe was the edition, and it was suppose to be better then a 5900 Ultra, well I couldn't say that because every game I played was plagued by an issue that pertained to ATI cards. As many issues as the 5900 had, it was a great CARD for me. Many people here would argue that ATI is better. It certainly does not have more features. Physic are beginning to take over games today, why because nvidia has been developing software to make them run on their cards. I think I want my card to benefit from Physics. How many more games do you think are going to avoid that aspect here? What about Adobe? Its enhanced for nvidia cards. These big names keep popping up.

I will always agree competition is good, but I like nvidia for the nice features it has, the name is cool. That logo is very pretty. I know that sounds retarded, but theres a study that shows a logo is a big thing in advertisement. Nvidia wins on that aspect. More people bought laptops because it had nvidia graphics in them. NVIDIA is a superior card to ATI, and its crappy drivers. I go and look at reviews on neweggs, and a majority that are reviewing even the new 5900 ati card's say the drivers are not very user friendly, and aren't very well polished.

Maybe you should look at this thread, dumbass:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=139580

gulizard
01-26-10, 09:05 PM
Maybe you should look at this thread, dumbass:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=139580

Bet your E-Penis got hard didn't it. Its an unoffical review. The name of the site isn't ATINEWS DUMB ASS. I still have yet to see MikeC say hes using an ATI card. This forum is fine for ATI, but jesus stop saying ATI is a superior card to nvidia, because that simply isn't true.

I use to be registered on the AMD Support forums. When Intel started doing a little better. These people with Intel Systems started showing up, talking about how their intel was so good at the benchmarks. Comparing them to AMD's older technology. Of course then AMD begin to ban these people, or remove their system specs. I remember having my account unregistered just for having an Intel based system, and I hadn't posted no benchmarks. I did have a AMD system beforehand. Point is I didn't go around to an Intel site and register as a AMD guy and begin posting crap up.

nvidias new card isn't out yet, and people are already saying that ATI's cards are more superior. Just simply isn't true.