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Headbust
07-06-03, 09:50 PM
I have the option to get a 2 week old used 5900ultra for $325. Guy lives near me also so i can try it out also before but its a 3hr drive to his place.

I dont wanna get there and have wasted my time and the AA is just absolutley horrible(as ive read quite a few times) Im either going to get this card or a 9800np for $299 at best buy.

Headbust
07-06-03, 09:51 PM
Its a EVGA 5900 ultra with the 500/900 times i am pretty sure of(yes the first set they released of the 5900s are there own overclocked versions)

extreme_dB
07-06-03, 10:06 PM
Get it no matter what and try it for yourself! You might want to get the 9800Pro as well and do a head-to-head comparsion, then get rid of one.

For $325, you can sell that 5900Ultra at a profit! :D

Sazar
07-06-03, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by Headbust
Its a EVGA 5900 ultra with the 500/900 times i am pretty sure of(yes the first set they released of the 5900s are there own overclocked versions)

you'll have to install the new bios the clocks the card back to regular levels due to all the problems people are having with eVGA overclocked cards... other than that it should be peachy :)

nice price...

Headbust
07-06-03, 10:27 PM
I dont know if ill get..more i think about it the more im leaning towards the 9800np and ill just overclock it to 9800pro speeds. I want to come back to nvidia but its just still a bit to sketchy for me right now to take a $300 risk on them. Havent made up my mind yet though.

(couldnt i just underclock the card instead of flashing to a newer bios to underclock it?)

TeacherFromHell
07-07-03, 12:28 AM
I have a eVGA 5900 Ultra, and has run fine ever since I flashed the card with the reference nVidia BIOS (that eVGA BIOS was totally borked). Anyway, I just used coolbits to OC to 500/900 with no problems; I looped 3DMark03 24 hours just to make sure.

scott123
07-07-03, 01:18 AM
I have both, and luckily I have done a lot of testing the last few days. The 9800 Pro is FAR superior in the FSAA department, and speed...to a lesser degree though. (at least with the present Nvidia drivers)

Scott

extreme_dB
07-07-03, 01:29 AM
Hey Scott, how about posting some benchmark numbers for each card, or giving us an indication of the FPS differences in the games you play? :)

StealthHawk
07-07-03, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Headbust
I dont wanna get there and have wasted my time and the AA is just absolutley horrible(as ive read quite a few times) Im either going to get this card or a 9800np for $299 at best buy.

The FSAA of the gfFX5900 is inferior to the FSAA of your current card. If you've seen FSAA on a gf3, gf4, or a gfFX(any card), that is the same FSAA you will see on a gfFX5900.

Lfctony
07-07-03, 06:09 AM
9800np = Non Pro? I don't think there is a Non-Pro 9800. Maybe you were talking about the 128MB version? Because that's a Pro as well.

extreme_dB
07-07-03, 06:18 AM
There's a 9800 non-pro that will eventually completely replace the 9700Pro in ATI's lineup.

ATI needs new suffixes! Pro and non-pro sound stupid.

Edit: Actually, non-pro is not the official name.

scott123
07-07-03, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by extreme_dB
Hey Scott, how about posting some benchmark numbers for each card, or giving us an indication of the FPS differences in the games you play? :)

As a matter of fact Im working on that. Hopefully I will be done by tonight. Im just finishing the 9800 Pro benchmarks.

Scott

Savage101
07-07-03, 09:44 AM
If you run AA at 1024 on the 5900 you will notice it being really bad compared to the 9800. But at 1600 the IQ is about the same. I also got the eVGA card but it came clocked at 450/850 which I think is like the rest. But I have been able to OC it to 540/980 and it's rock solid.

prodikal
07-07-03, 02:32 PM
Ive got an EVGA 5900Ultra and everything looks great as Ive said before my brother has the 9800 Pro (he was impatient ;) ) and they both look great i play Raven shield on 4AA and 8AF with full detail at 1280*960 and it runs great.

BTW i have had NO probs with my stock eVGA BIOS. But my friend did so he flashed his card and set the clock back to 500/900 and he has no problems at all. He play MOHAA BF1942 Raven SHield Warcraft3 Freelancer and Unreal2.

From my experience its a great card and a helluva jump from an MX440. As for 9800 oor 5900 it all comes down to brand loyalty.

Filburt
07-07-03, 03:59 PM
Why not buy the 5900 Ultra, then sell it for 400 something bucks, then buy a 9800 Pro?

Headbust
07-07-03, 04:14 PM
Ya ill do that if someone confirms they want the 5900ultra for $400 before friday

DivotMaker
07-07-03, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Filburt
Why not buy the 5900 Ultra, then sell it for 400 something bucks, then buy a 9800 Pro?

Why not keep the 5900 U for $325 and call it a day?

DSC
07-07-03, 04:39 PM
I find it funny that fanATIcs are trying to convert NV users or ppl who want to buy NV here.

Try doing the same in Rage3d and you'll be flamed and branded an infidel or something.

If you want to buy and use Nv, then just do it. There's still 8500 buyers eventhough it was clearly inferior to the GF4 Tis.

DivotMaker
07-07-03, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by DSC
I find it funny that fanATIcs are trying to convert NV users or ppl who want to buy NV here.


I find it kinda ironic that a moderator at Rage3D is making recommendations to use ATI on an NV board, especially when the aforementioned deal is one HELLUVA deal....

This behavior would tantamount to me recommending someone on a Links Golf forum to sell Links and buy Tiger Woods PGA TOUR....I would get flamed, tarred and feathered if I did such a thing....

Filburt
07-07-03, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
Why not keep the 5900 U for $325 and call it a day?

Looking at his post, he seemed to have wanted a 9800 Pro, but would settle for the 9800 NP due to price concerns. It seemed logical that he'd be better off buying the 5900U and selling it for enough to buy a 9800 Pro. If he's on the fence about it, though, I'd still tell him to buy the 5900U, then just use it for a while and see if he likes it, and if he doesn't, sell it and get a 9800.

I'm not sure I'm entirely for selling it at a profit, though. It seems somewhat usurous in a way. But it would be required in order to then afford a 9800 Pro. I'd leave that up to him on how he feels about it, though.

I don't care if he uses ATi or nVidia, I was just trying to be helpful. I'm not trying to convert anyone.

Headbust
07-07-03, 07:42 PM
I used nvidia for 2 years, then came time to buy a card a few months ago, i bought the 9500np and modded it to a 9500pro. THe card is good and my only experience with nvidia cards was always there MX ones, i never tried any of the TI or FX cards. I always said i would go bacck to nvidia after this run with the 9500(nothing wrong with i just miss some of nvidias features and tons of drivers to select from). But funny thing is i go into a different nvidia forum and ask for some help on something, soon it turned into a 9500pro vs 5600ultra, It was a nightmare I was telling this people i love nvidia cards and there bashing me cause i have a ATI card and somewhere along the way i stated that it was better than the 5600ultra and it was even further downhill from there. After this arguement i have lost almost all interest in nvidia cards(this happend last week)...I cant explain it really.

Only thing holding me back as of now after all these comments on getting the nvidia card is the 3hr drive to the guys house(bad tranny in my blazer also)

If you guys actually think i could sell the card afterwords for around $400 then it looks even better

For a extra $25
i get a 128megs more memory
Possible AA that isnt so great

*note i game always at 1024x788...even if i had a monitor that could do 1600x1200 i dont think i would game that high

extreme_dB
07-07-03, 07:50 PM
The fact is that the 5900U at $325 is an INCREDIBLE DEAL, regardless of the actual merits of the card, hehe. Even though I think ATI's cards may be better for upcoming games, I would buy the 5900U without hesitation at that price. Although, a 6 hour drive is quite an inconvenience. How much gas is that? In a gas-guzzling 4x4...

Filburt
07-07-03, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Headbust
I used nvidia for 2 years, then came time to buy a card a few months ago, i bought the 9500np and modded it to a 9500pro. THe card is good and my only experience with nvidia cards was always there MX ones, i never tried any of the TI or FX cards. I always said i would go bacck to nvidia after this run with the 9500(nothing wrong with i just miss some of nvidias features and tons of drivers to select from). But funny thing is i go into a different nvidia forum and ask for some help on something, soon it turned into a 9500pro vs 5600ultra, It was a nightmare I was telling this people i love nvidia cards and there bashing me cause i have a ATI card and somewhere along the way i stated that it was better than the 5600ultra and it was even further downhill from there. After this arguement i have lost almost all interest in nvidia cards(this happend last week)...I cant explain it really.

Only thing holding me back as of now after all these comments on getting the nvidia card is the 3hr drive to the guys house(bad tranny in my blazer also)

If you guys actually think i could sell the card afterwords for around $400 then it looks even better

For a extra $25
i get a 128megs more memory
Possible AA that isnt so great

*note i game always at 1024x788...even if i had a monitor that could do 1600x1200 i dont think i would game that high

1600x1200 is nice to use in gaming when you have a powerful enough card (er go a 5900U or a 9800 Pro).

I would *HIGHLY* recommend getting the 5900U for $325. You certainly won't lose money on it if you decide you don't like it, but if you do like it, you just got one for a huge discount. So essentially it's win-win for you.

People are always going to be going at eachother over which card to choose, but if you really want an nVidia card, you might as well use one. Most of the gaming experience is subjective, anyhow. So if you like nVidia's gameplay, it's irrelevant what the card actually provides in benchmarks with respect to your situation. Benchmarks and analyses are nice for when trying to choose a card, but ultimately it just comes down to subjective preference in most cases.

So go snag that deal :).

extreme_dB
07-07-03, 07:57 PM
Actually, Nvidia's 4xS AA is in a way superior to ATI's 4xAA (able to handle alpha textures), but it's just very slow. At 1024res, it may be fully playable.

Headbust
07-07-03, 08:51 PM
alright i made up my mind outa nowhere...(crap as i was writing this line i thought of it again, i can just flash the bios of the 9800np to a pro and it would be as good as the 5900u...WTF!)

Anyway before i thought of that..I made up my to buy the nvidia card. I offered the guy $350 if he drives the card to me or meets me within half hour of my house(his house is 3hrs away)...we shall see what happens