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bigjohns97
07-11-03, 09:52 AM
Well I took back my radeon 9800 pro and got a gforce 5900 ultra by pny.

The radeon is soo much faster. I just don't understand how that's possible. Maybe some new drivers will change things cause i play mostly ea sports games but the only one i saw improvement in is Madden 2003. The menus were much smoother and so was gameplay. The thing that worries me is i also play bf1942 and the fps are much lower with the gforce. In berlin with 30 people playing the fps sometimes went down to 30 !!!! That is unacceptable. I am goign to wait a little while for a driver release (remembers the day when the gf4 was getting beat by the gf3 when it first came out) Anyways the tests were run with quality setting, 4xAA and 8xAF no texture sharping.

As for image quality i noticed no diffrence with this card and the radeon 9800, only the performance wasn't up to par.

Sorry i don't have any 3dmark scores, it's not a game and therefore isn't worth the time.

GetCool
07-11-03, 10:06 AM
Here's a question: why did you want to exchange your 9800?

CaptNKILL
07-11-03, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by bigjohns97
Well I took back my radeon 9800 pro and got a gforce 5900 ultra by pny.

The radeon is soo much faster. I just don't understand how that's possible. Maybe some new drivers will change things cause i play mostly ea sports games but the only one i saw improvement in is Madden 2003. The menus were much smoother and so was gameplay. The thing that worries me is i also play bf1942 and the fps are much lower with the gforce. In berlin with 30 people playing the fps sometimes went down to 30 !!!! That is unacceptable. I am goign to wait a little while for a driver release (remembers the day when the gf4 was getting beat by the gf3 when it first came out) Anyways the tests were run with quality setting, 4xAA and 8xAF no texture sharping.

As for image quality i noticed no diffrence with this card and the radeon 9800, only the performance wasn't up to par.

Sorry i don't have any 3dmark scores, it's not a game and therefore isn't worth the time.

Are you sure you totaly cleaned out all of ATI's drivers and registry entries? Those can screw up other cards... the same goes for Nvidia. Always make sure to search you computer and registry for things related to ATI\Radeon or Nvidia\Geforce and get rid of them when switching hardware between companies.

bigjohns97
07-11-03, 05:09 PM
I am about to re-format, BRB

scott123
07-11-03, 07:32 PM
Well I've posted here, Futuremark and elsewhere, and I could have told ya that (see below). Yes the 9800 Pro is faster then the 5900 Ultra. As embarrising as it must be for Nvidia, it's just reality.

Scott

Maverickman
07-11-03, 08:00 PM
Scott123,

That's simply NOT TRUE. The Radeon 9800 PRO is faster in some benchmarks while the 5900 Ultra is faster in others. From the reviews I've read, the 5900 Ultra is the overall faster card, but not by much.

DivotMaker
07-11-03, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by scott123
Well I've posted here, Futuremark and elsewhere, and I could have told ya that (see below). Yes the 9800 Pro is faster then the 5900 Ultra. As embarrising as it must be for Nvidia, it's just reality.

Scott

Sorry, I disagree. Based on evidence in my own machine they are within 5-10% of each other in most benchmarks and games. Enjoy your Radeon!

bkswaney
07-11-03, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
Sorry, I disagree. Based on evidence in my own machine they are within 5-10% of each other in most benchmarks and games. Enjoy your Radeon!

Yep. :)

bigjohns97
07-11-03, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by BigBerthaEA
Sorry, I disagree. Based on evidence in my own machine they are within 5-10% of each other in most benchmarks and games. Enjoy your Radeon!

EA i just got the PNY GFFX 5900 ultra and i can't overclock at all and my ea sports games run like crap except for madden which has features and reflections that the radeon didn't. I am going to format tonight and i hope i fell as optomistic as you do.

BTW are you using 4xAA w/8XAF @ 1024 for me that brings some of my games to a near slideshow???

DivotMaker
07-12-03, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by bigjohns97
EA i just got the PNY GFFX 5900 ultra and i can't overclock at all and my ea sports games run like crap except for madden which has features and reflections that the radeon didn't. I am going to format tonight and i hope i fell as optomistic as you do.

BTW are you using 4xAA w/8XAF @ 1024 for me that brings some of my games to a near slideshow???

I think you got a bad card. The one I borrowed the other day OC'd on autodetect to 504/962 and never once got above 48 degree C when 47 degrees C was the normal operating temperature. All my EA Sports games ran just fine on the 5900 U, but I don't use AA on them...just AF.

Geforce4ti4200
07-12-03, 02:29 AM
"I think you got a bad card. The one I borrowed the other day OC'd on autodetect to 504/962"


how does the said autodetect know how high to oc a card and what if its off that the card fries?

ricercar
07-12-03, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
how does the said autodetect know how high to oc a card and what if its off that the card fries?

I had a 5800 Ultra go bad while staying within Autodetect range.

The RAMs went bad and the card started displaying shimmering pixels during POST screens (well before the OS drivers loaded). Luckily the company (PNY) replaced the card without argument.

scott123
07-12-03, 08:18 AM
Sorry, but my statement is correct. Check all the GAME benchmarks at the highest fsaa/anisotropic settings, and the 9800 Pro is winning everyone of them. Believe me, I like my 5900 U , but I've ran every game on my hard drive with maxium fsaa/anisotropic settings, and my 9800 Pro is faster.

Yes the 5900 Ultra is faster without fsaa and anisotropic, as all my benchamrks confirm that. I'm only refering to when the quality settings are enabled.

Scott

scott123
07-12-03, 08:33 AM
5900 Ultra @ 4x fsaa / 8x anisotropic filtering. Resolution @1280x1024x32 running in D3D. Note the FPS
http://members.cox.net/lena372/5900%20ultra.jpg

scott123
07-12-03, 08:35 AM
Now my 128 meg 9800 Pro at 4x fsaa / 16x anisotropic at the same resolution. Note the FPS
http://members.cox.net/lena372/ati%209800%20pro.jpg

jimmyjames123
07-12-03, 09:07 AM
Why is it that scott123 seems to jump into every FX 5900 Ultra thread and pitch the Radeon 9800 PRO over the 5900U (constantly making light of the fact that this card has 128MB RAM too)? This is across at least two major forums that I know of.

There are several people on the forums who have had the opportunity to use and/or own both the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra and Radeon 9800 PRO. Some people prefer the 5900 Ultra over the Radeon 9800 PRO, some may feel otherwise, and some feel that they perform more or less equally well. To say anything less is a joke.

There have been several reviews showing the FX 5900 Ultra to be faster than the Radeon 9800 PRO with 4xAA/8xAF (and there are some reviews that show otherwise...it depends on the system setup, settings, and games tested).

Here are some reviews in the FX 5900 Ultra's favor:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1821&p=23

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-13.html

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_fx_5900_ultra_review/page13.asp

I think it should also be noted that the above is a D3D game. It seems that the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra has a significant advantage over the Radeon 9800 PRO in most OpenGL-mode games as opposed to D3D-mode games. Hopefully, as the FX drivers continue to mature, things will get even better.

scott123
07-12-03, 09:32 AM
LOL:p Doom3 and some obscure flight sime? Ok, whatever:p
Why is it that scott123 seems to jump into every FX 5900 Ultra thread and pitch the Radeon 9800 PRO over the 5900U (constantly making light of the fact that this card has 128MB RAM too)? This is across at least two major forums that I know of.

Because when anisotropic and fsaa are used heavily, that is exactly when 256 megs of video ram are supposed to be an advantage. I'm not "pitching" the 9800 Pro. I bought both cards are I use both (3 computers). I am posting my experances, which validates what most of the hardware review sites are seeing too.

Why do you follow me around and read my post anyway? If your going to whine about it, then avoid my post at all cost please.

Scott

jimmyjames123
07-12-03, 09:34 AM
LOL Doom3 and some obscure flight sime? Ok, whatever

Obviously you don't read very carefully. Keep reading, there are several different games where the FX 5900 Ultra has an (often significant) advantage over the Radeon 9800 PRO in these respective reviews.

Because when anisotropic and fsaa are used heavily, that is exactly when 256 megs of video ram are supposed to be an advantage. I'm not "pitching" the 9800 Pro. I bought both cards are I use both (3 computers).

I don't think that statement is really accurate. Obviously from the "professional" reviews, we can see that the 256MB version of the Radeon essentially has little to no advantage over the 128MB in today's games, even with AA/AF enabled.

I am posting my experances, which validates what most of the hardware review sites are seeing too.

I just showed you three reviews from major "hardware review sites". I guess you only see what you want to see, go figure.

Why do you follow me around and read my post anyway? If your going to whine about it, then avoid my post at all cost please.

All it takes is a couple minutes of browsing here or at Futuremark's forum and your posts are obvious. Duh. If you are prepared to post using such definitive terms, you should be prepared to see a different side of the coin. Heck, even on Futuremark there are other people who own FX 5900 Ultra and Radeon 9800 PRO 256MB version and who have a very different opinion than you.

scott123
07-12-03, 09:40 AM
Ya know....I'm just not a fan boy for one product over another. This 9800 Pro is my first ATI card ever. Despite what your saying the review sites pretty much speak for themselves right now. I really hope Nvidia can turn it around with the 5900 U with some drivers. I have owned all Nvidia cards and in fact I own some Nvidia stock for the last 5 years so lets just clam down a little and relax.

Scott

DivotMaker
07-12-03, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by scott123
Sorry, but my statement is correct.
Scott

Your OPINION is well noted and respected. But try not to ram it down people's throats when someone has a differing opinion based on the games they play. From your screenshots, it does appear that the game in question is running faster on the Radeon. Got it. As many games that run faster on the Radeon, there are about as many that run faster on the 5900. Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Please respect the opinions of others who may not exactly agree with you 100%.

scott123
07-12-03, 09:46 AM
Oh, I forgot. Since when is it biased to run a game in D3D just because it's a Nvidia card? The game above was formally run on my Ti4600. The Ti4600 ran better FPS in D3D then OpenGL for this game , so go figure.

In fairness, I did compare the OpenGL performance for Nascar 2003, and the 5900 U was faster, although when compared to the 9800 Pro's D3D, the ATI card was still slightly faster (just barely, by a few FPS). the problem with OpenGL in Nascar 2003 is it simply looks inferior then D3D.

Scott

jimmyjames123
07-12-03, 09:51 AM
Oh, I forgot. Since when is it biased to run a game in D3D just because it's a Nvidia card?

I don't think you are understanding the point here. The point is that, in comparing the FX 5900 Ultra to the Radeon 9800 PRO, system settings, game settings, choice of games, and individual preferences will dictate which card works "better". To say anything less is ridiculous.

Here is a review of the FX 5900 (non-Ultra version) at Hardwarezone, at 4X FSAA/ 8X AF (note that in most benchmarks, the FX 5900 has a significant advantage over the 128MB Radeon 9800 PRO at 1600x1200x32, including even the D3D game Codecreatures):

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=3&aid=794&page=8

scott123
07-12-03, 10:05 AM
Since I was followed around so much, I'm surprised you didn't see the results I posted with 3dmark 2001, 3dmark03, Unreal, MOH, Quake3, Nascar 2003, and NOLF II.

Scott

jimmyjames123
07-12-03, 10:08 AM
Like I said before, individual results will vary, even looking at major reputable "hardware review sites".

scott123
07-12-03, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by jimmyjames123
I don't think you are understanding the point here. The point is that, in comparing the FX 5900 Ultra to the Radeon 9800 PRO, system settings, game settings, choice of games, and individual preferences will dictate which card works "better". To say anything less is ridiculous.

Here is a review of the FX 5900 (non-Ultra version) at Hardwarezone, at 4X FSAA/ 8X AF (note that in most benchmarks, the FX 5900 has a significant advantage over the 128MB Radeon 9800 PRO at 1600x1200x32, including even the D3D game Codecreatures):

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/articles.hwz?cid=3&aid=794&page=8

Well that was interesting. If I throw out the Gunmedal benchmark (made for Nvidia) and the 3dmark stuff (never translates to faster gaming), it looks like the 9800 Pro is fairing slightly better (except in the OpenGL benchmarks). What I see there is pretty much what I'm seeing.

Scott