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Powerworks
07-13-03, 07:50 AM
Ok, I have fallen into a little bit of money ($350), and I want to build a new system.. I have this POS Dell, that if I have to I can get a few parts from (the HDD, and maybe ram, but I don't want to use the ram)... I need advice on what mobo+processor to get on a budget.. I was looking at nforce2..that way I wouldn't have to buy a vid card... But the nforce is kind of expensive.. Maybe I could go for a budget mobo and cpu bundle and then spend the extra cash on a vid card. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

CHEVYMAN_02
07-13-03, 08:30 AM
you can a Chaintech 7NIL1-SUMMIT NFORCE2/MCP u-ATX-RETAIL
for $69 free shipping or can get a Shuttle AN35N-Ultra Retail Nforce for $61w/ $5 shipping. Neither of them have intergrated graphics but you can get Chaintech FX5200 for $70 w/ free shipping. But it is up to you what you want. This are just suggestion from me.

CHEVYMAN_02
07-13-03, 10:04 AM
This is from newegg.com

ragejg
07-13-03, 11:04 AM
Good recommendations on mobo, chevyman...

I agree...

As far as the vidcard, I'd personally go with a GF3 which could be found for $50-$65, a 64mb GF4 ti4200 for $75-$80, or a 5200U or 5600 for $130-$150...

As far as cpu, I still recommend an XP1700 TBredB for around $50... with an nforce2, 180-200fsb is realistic, and you'd be able to hit 2ghz easy (around XP2600-2800performance)... provided your ram and power supply can hack it. As far as ram goes, I personally recommend Samsung PC2700 TCB3 stepping, which can be had for around $30-$35 for a 256 stick, and they can hit 200fsb in a variety of platforms...

happy hunting!

good luck!

:)

B&R
07-13-03, 11:08 AM
I would stick with FX's than goin back to GF3's.

ragejg
07-13-03, 11:49 AM
depends on what games will be played...

...and the merits of gf3 are not to be disregarded YET...
best gf3 score (13.5k @ 2.5ghz): http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6424747
my easy 9.9k @ 1.8ghz: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6557991

...same goes for GF4...

B&R
07-13-03, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by ragejg
depends on what games will be played...

...and the merits of gf3 are not to be disregarded YET...
best gf3 score (13.5k @ 2.5ghz): http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6424747
my easy 9.9k @ 1.8ghz: http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6557991

...same goes for GF4...
I agree with "not to be diregarded" part.. they ar still good cards for present games.. but i think FX5200 would more "future proof " may be.

Powerworks
07-13-03, 06:57 PM
Well.. I plan to get a motherboard cpu combo.. because I don't want to be responsible for mounting my own cpu ;)

So does anyone know where I could find a nforce2 cpu combo?

stncttr908
07-13-03, 09:07 PM
Trust me, a blindfolded toddler could install it. Plus, if it were a combo it'd probably come in seperate packaging anyway, just at a discount.

Due to your inexperience just make sure any processer you get is a retail. It'll come with detailed enough instructions for installation, and a decent heatsink fan.

Powerworks
07-13-03, 10:11 PM
I don't know for some reason it just scares me ;)

Powerworks
07-13-03, 10:15 PM
hmm.. k another approach.. are there any decent mobos under $70.. then maybe I could afford a decent AGP card afterwards.

saturnotaku
07-13-03, 10:30 PM
There's nothing decent that would have any staying power. If you want a good motherboard, figure on spending at least $110.

Powerworks
07-13-03, 10:40 PM
Could you throw out some namebrands and models?

stncttr908
07-13-03, 11:09 PM
Right here is exactly what I would do with $350 and that current setup. You always could go with an nforce2 board with the integrated GF4MX, but with the kind of dough you're looking to spend you can do better. So here is what I propose.


Soltek SL-75FRN2-L (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=13-180-028) - An excellent board for the price. Just check out the plethora of great reviews from happy customers. Good for your budget I think. ($94)

Athlon 1700+ Retail (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=19-103-352) - Since you're a bit antsy about installing your own CPU, you can get the retail model. It has a 3 year warranty. ($60)

Corsair XMS PC3200 256MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=20-145-415) - Two of these sticks, for Dual DDR function with that board. ($118)

Chaintech GF4 ti4200 64MB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?description=14-145-038) - Sure, it's not the prettiest card and it doesn't have TV-out, but Chaintech makes good cards. I doubt you'd need the TV-out anyway, and if you did, you could always get the model w/it for $13 more. ($82)

Total $354 shipped. I'm sure you could deal with that 20GB drive for the time being, although you'll probably want something bigger down the road.

saturnotaku
07-13-03, 11:09 PM
Abit NF7 - $101
Asus A7N8X - $89.99 (this one surprised me quite frankly)
Epox 8RDA+ - $83

All the above motherboards are based off the nForce2 chipset and are the no-frills versions of these boards. Pair one of these boards up with an AMD Barton 2500+ processor which can be had retail for less than $100 ($92 actually) and you'll still have some dough left over to get yourself 512 mb of decent memory.

Powerworks
07-13-03, 11:36 PM
lol err I forgot to mention I needed a case.. this dell isn't atx =P

But i found a decent case+psu for $40.. so...

stncttr908
07-14-03, 12:07 AM
Yeah I was figuring that but I couldn't fit all of that into your price range. You can always borrow a few bucks right?

Powerworks
07-14-03, 12:08 AM
I can try lol...

Not having a job and being young isn't that good for cash ;)

And its kind of late in the summer to get a job.. oh well..

stncttr908
07-14-03, 10:49 AM
So? Rob a bank or something. If you tell the cops you had a GF2MX 200 PCI and needed something better I'm sure they'd understand.

Powerworks
07-14-03, 05:37 PM
No they'd probably look at me and take me to jail on drug charges...

I live in a hick town ;)

ragejg
07-14-03, 07:56 PM
at a hardware trading forum I go to, you could score the following items for the following prices:

$65-$80 for a decent nforce2 mobo

$50-65 GF3 64mb

$75-80 GF3 128mb

$70-90 GF4ti


... cases/power supplies?

www.amamax.com

I must tell you, if you order a PowerMagic Power Supply:

1. GET a 450w or a 525W psu

2. DO NOT GET a 400W or 500W

... the 400's and 500's have WEAK rails (suitable for regular non-OC'ed crappily cooled cases built in a hurry), the 450's and 525's are SOLID (they've both powered a kt266a to 191 fsb on lots of air, and a Soltek nforce2 to 200fsb on lots of air... good PSU's...

ragejg
07-14-03, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by stncttr908
So? Rob a bank or something. If you tell the cops you had a GF2MX 200 PCI and needed something better I'm sure they'd understand.

HEY!!! was that a personal dig? :D:D:D I gots one in the system I'm building right now... 1.3k on 3dmk2k1, w0w... (hey, I got "best in class" with it... cpu: celly566 stock :rolleyes: )

:p :p

Powerworks
07-14-03, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by ragejg
at a hardware trading forum I go to, you could score the following items for the following prices:

$65-$80 for a decent nforce2 mobo

$50-65 GF3 64mb

$75-80 GF3 128mb

$70-90 GF4ti


... cases/power supplies?

www.amamax.com

I must tell you, if you order a PowerMagic Power Supply:

1. GET a 450w or a 525W psu

2. DO NOT GET a 400W or 500W

... the 400's and 500's have WEAK rails (suitable for regular non-OC'ed crappily cooled cases built in a hurry), the 450's and 525's are SOLID (they've both powered a kt266a to 191 fsb on lots of air, and a Soltek nforce2 to 200fsb on lots of air... good PSU's...

Thanks for the website... but if I got a nforce2 would I really need a AGP graphics card? Isn't the onboard video a Geforce4?

Powerworks
07-14-03, 09:03 PM
This is the case i'm looking at...

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=11-150-049

I read the reviews seems like a cool deal.. free psu, two free fans, and free shipping.. can't beat newegg's return policy either...

Powerworks
07-15-03, 07:32 AM
After wasting all of last night going around and around with the nforce2 chipset.. I have came to the conclusion.. I hate the nforce2... Nvidia claimed all nforce2 400 chipsets would included IGP.. they don't, the ASUS motherboard I was looking at did not say it did not contain IGP, nor did it say it did.. so I spent all night searching..bah.. hassle.. Then this morning I learn that the onboard video with nforce2 isn't that great anyway.. oh well i'm going back to looking for a decent and cheap non-nforce2 athlon motherboard ;)

Whats the point in getting nforce2 if the onboard video sucks, and the audio isn't that great?

(please don't flame me, if i'm wrong about something do realize I am a frustrated semi-n00b when it comes to this stuff)