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shadow001
02-23-10, 04:25 PM
Interesting quote here regarding performance on unigine at 1920*1200 with 4X AA and 16X AF with the GTX480 cards.

DX11 using Unigine Benchmark in 1920x1200 4x AA 16x in the AF test, result also close 30FPS, obviously surpasses 5870


http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enet.com.cn%2Farticle%2F201 0%2F0221%2FA20100221612409.shtml&lp=zh_en&btnTrUrl=Translate


Be right back with my result at those same settings...:D

Revs
02-23-10, 04:46 PM
Looking like it's gonna be an interesting year. Best get saving :D

shadow001
02-23-10, 04:57 PM
Made a run at those same settings and uploaded it to photobucket:


http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/Capture.jpg


My result was 82 Fps,and of course tesselation is used and this particular synthetic benchmark is being heavily promoted by Nvidia to show off Fermi's tesselation abilities in a big way,so the bottom line is,to beat my score and this is assuming there is perfect scaling on fermi,users would need no less than a triple SLI GTX480 setup,which would theoretically hit 90 Fps,assuming of course that statement i linked to above is accurate,and a single Fermi does 30 Fps.(huge pile of salt of course).


Oh and my cards were running at stock speeds btw,(750/1000),even though they can run at 850/1200 very easily,but the cooling becomes noticably noisy at those clocks.


Bottom line is,even though it's supposedly Fermi's strongest point,i'm not exactly impressed here,and doesn't really make my cards no where near antiquated as Rollo stated earlier.

grey_1
02-23-10, 05:23 PM
Made a run at those same settings and uploaded it to photobucket:


http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx298/Superfly101_02/Capture.jpg


My result was 82 Fps,and of course tesselation is used and this particular synthetic benchmark is being heavily promoted by Nvidia to show off Fermi's tesselation abilities in a big way,so the bottom line is,to beat my score and this is assuming there is perfect scaling on fermi,users would need no less than a triple SLI GTX480 setup,which would theoretically hit 90 Fps,assuming of course that statement i linked to above is accurate,and a single Fermi does 30 Fps.(huge pile of salt of course).


Oh and my cards were running at stock speeds btw,(750/1000),even though they can run at 850/1200 very easily,but the cooling becomes noticably noisy at those clocks.


Bottom line is,even though it's supposedly Fermi's strongest point,i'm not exactly impressed here,and doesn't really make my cards no where near antiquated as Rollo stated earlier.
2 5970?

Nice.

lee63
02-23-10, 05:51 PM
The thing that bothers me the most, all the cards will be gone with in a day or two....and who ever chooses to wait until benchmarks and performance numbers are out probably wont get one.

I asked Rollo earlier in this thread on about availability...he didn't reply, so take that for what its worth

shadow001
02-23-10, 06:21 PM
2 5970?

Nice.


Yup,at stock clocks,wich technically places each GPU in the cards somewhere between the HD5850 and the HD 5870 cards performance wise,since the clocks are that of the HD5850,but the shaders and texture units are fully enabled,as in the HD5870 cards.


If i do overclock them to HD5870 speeds(850/1200),its' basically like having 4 HD 5870's working together,and i did a run like that earlier and scored 98 Fps at the same settings as what you see above,so there's not really any lack of tesselation power here.


Just something to put into perpective here if the 30 Fps value a single fermi managed to do at those same settings is accurate from that chinese site,so it'll take a triple SLI,maybe even a quad SLI fermi setup to beat my score...It's just my thinking until we have the final performance numbers from actual review sites of course.

Rollo
02-23-10, 06:28 PM
Is there a confirmed release of a dual-GPU Fermi yet? If not, then shouldn't the 480 be considered Nvidia's high-end part and a more relevant comparison made to the 5970, which is ATI's high-end part?

The 5870 is not ATI's high end and is not in the same "market" as the 480. The 480 should sell at a significantly higher price tag than 5870 as well, given that the performance should be better and it was a more expensive part to manufacture.

Given the above, I don't understand your statement about 480 and 5870 being in the same "market."




Please, not another round of the ATi fan's favorite game:

"When ATi's single chip is losing to a dual GPU NVIDIA part, it's not a fair comparison. When ATi is winning with a dual GPU part, it's a fair comparison"

It was pretty clear I was comparing single GPUs, don't be an asshat.

Rollo
02-23-10, 06:32 PM
The thing that bothers me the most, all the cards will be gone with in a day or two....and who ever chooses to wait until benchmarks and performance numbers are out probably wont get one.

I asked Rollo earlier in this thread on about availability...he didn't reply, so take that for what its worth

I didn't reply because I have no idea, so the only thing we can take from that is that I don't know. (sorry)

shadow001
02-23-10, 06:33 PM
The thing that bothers me the most, all the cards will be gone with in a day or two....and who ever chooses to wait until benchmarks and performance numbers are out probably wont get one.

I asked Rollo earlier in this thread on about availability...he didn't reply, so take that for what its worth


Given that multiple sources now confirm that availability will be limited initially,if you really want to wait for reviews before making the pruchase,the most likely scenario is basically having to wait until later in april or even early may to actually buy one.


The first batch of cards seems to number in at about 10 000 between GTX470 and GTX480's worldwide,and to put that into perspective,when ATI launched the HD5850/5870 cards,they had 50 000 cards ready and available and 250 000 HD 5700 cards as well,and it all dissapeared within the first week of availability,and everybody complained about it for weeks afterwards about being near impossible to find one on store shelves.


Now imagine the situation with only 10 000 fermi cards available at launch.

shadow001
02-23-10, 06:38 PM
Please, not another round of the ATi fan's favorite game:

"When ATi's single chip is losing to a dual GPU NVIDIA part, it's not a fair comparison. When ATi is winning with a dual GPU part, it's a fair comparison"

It was pretty clear I was comparing single GPUs, don't be an asshat.


I think the intent of the post is mostly the price of the cards,assuming Nvidia wants to sell single GPU Fermi cards not much below the price of HD5970's of course,which is their high end product afterall.


If they do,great marketing strategy or not,it looks like it'll be one hell of an uphill battle for Nvidia basically.

Rollo
02-23-10, 06:53 PM
Given that multiple sources now confirm that availability will be limited initially,if you really want to wait for reviews before making the pruchase,the most likely scenario is basically having to wait until later in april or even early may to actually buy one.


The first batch of cards seems to number in at about 10 000 between GTX470 and GTX480's worldwide,and to put that into perspective,when ATI launched the HD5850/5870 cards,they had 50 000 cards ready and available and 250 000 HD 5700 cards as well,and it all dissapeared within the first week of availability,and everybody complained about it for weeks afterwards about being near impossible to find one on store shelves.


Now imagine the situation with only 10 000 fermi cards available at launch.

You have no idea what supply is, so this is FUD.

Rollo
02-23-10, 06:53 PM
I think the intent of the post is mostly the price of the cards,assuming Nvidia wants to sell single GPU Fermi cards not much below the price of HD5970's of course,which is their high end product afterall.


If they do,great marketing strategy or not,it looks like it'll be one hell of an uphill battle for Nvidia basically.

You have no idea what price is so this is FUD.

lee63
02-23-10, 06:57 PM
Given that multiple sources now confirm that availability will be limited initially,if you really want to wait for reviews before making the pruchase,the most likely scenario is basically having to wait until later in april or even early may to actually buy one.


The first batch of cards seems to number in at about 10 000 between GTX470 and GTX480's worldwide,and to put that into perspective,when ATI launched the HD5850/5870 cards,they had 50 000 cards ready and available and 250 000 HD 5700 cards as well,and it all dissapeared within the first week of availability,and everybody complained about it for weeks afterwards about being near impossible to find one on store shelves.


Now imagine the situation with only 10 000 fermi cards available at launch.I don't have problem getting two on launch...but the majority of people will. I still want to see some #'s before I make my mind up.

shadow001
02-23-10, 07:10 PM
You have no idea what supply is, so this is FUD.

Charlie mentioned it and those chinese sites also say the same thing too,and even Nvidia's CEO says they'll ramp up production on Q2,so the numbers available won't be high that's for sure,but the good thing about it is that we'll know soon enough when it launches and if it's available on store shelves at major retail outlets online,or if it'll be very hard to get one initially....

You have no idea what price is so this is FUD.


Nope i don't,but for me,the price of a given piece of hardware is it's performance primarily,and where that performance places it relative to the competition,not how much money is spent on marketing the thing as the greatest ever invented,or saying that the competition is outclassed,outdated or as you put it once "antiquated",without even yet showing the numbers yet.

Rollo
02-23-10, 07:10 PM
I don't have problem getting two on launch...but the majority of people will. I still want to see some #'s before I make my mind up.

I would think they won't sell out in a day, and I'd think that if they do, it won't be "till May! Maybe Christmas!" as some have alleged.

If availability is indeed limited, I don't see why the situation would be different from the 5870 or past gens where they sell out, you wait a few weeks, get another chance.

Or, could be that all the 40nm got ironed out with ATi and availability will be good, period.

Hard to say.

I will say this:if you really want one of these, I wouldn't hang around flipping coins and thinking about it when they do launch. Because if they start selling out quickly the etailers will surely do supply and demand pricing as they always do.

I hope those of you who want one, get one. Those of you who can't wait, enjoy the 5870s. :)

shadow001
02-23-10, 07:12 PM
I don't have problem getting two on launch...but the majority of people will. I still want to see some #'s before I make my mind up.

Hopefully some performance numbers will leak before the actual launch of the cards

Rollo
02-23-10, 07:31 PM
Charlie mentioned it and those chinese sites also say the same thing too,and even Nvidia's CEO says they'll ramp up production on Q2,so the numbers available won't be high that's for sure,but the good thing about it is that we'll know soon enough when it launches and if it's available on store shelves at major retail outlets online,or if it'll be very hard to get one initially....




Nope i don't,but for me,the price of a given piece of hardware is it's performance primarily,and where that performance places it relative to the competition,not how much money is spent on marketing the thing as the greatest ever invented,or saying that the competition is outclassed,outdated or as you put it once "antiquated",without even yet showing the numbers yet.

No way! Charlie said there won't be any cards at launch?!?!

Like I said, FUD.

JasonPC
02-23-10, 08:47 PM
When you think about it guys. Just because the an nvidia exec said it won't hit its full stride until Q2 doesn't mean availability will necessarily be so limited as the 58xx series when it launched. They are launching near the end of Q1 and with only two cards. Even if quantities were fine they likely would not be able to sell as many as a full quarter where more cards are supposedly are going to launch (especially mainstream). And then who knows if the Tesla Fermi cards will even launch in Q1. Two cards are a mere fraction of what their business is made up of. I'm not saying quantities won't be limited but what I'm saying is either way it's only common sense that it won't hit full stride until Q2 if you're launching at the tail end of Q1...

Ninja Prime
02-23-10, 09:03 PM
You have no idea what price is so this is FUD.

This is why everyone thinks you're an arrogant douche rollo. I wish we had Chris back.

JasonPC
02-23-10, 09:12 PM
Well he's only stating facts maybe not in a way that makes people feel all good about themselves. No one has a clue about the actual prices, yet they go around claiming the price on that website (which has had its legitimacy questioned) like it's a fact. And the rest of their information comes straight from the church of Charlie Degenerateman. People just need to STFU until these cards come out. Seriously go play some games between now and March 26th there's a ton of them out/coming out...

shadow001
02-23-10, 09:28 PM
No way! Charlie said there won't be any cards at launch?!?!

Like I said, FUD.


5000 to 8000 cards worldwide on launch actually is what he said,which basically translates into no cards when you split that group up between the vendors that carry Nvidia products and spread that out between all the regions in the world...That stock isn't just for the USA you know?

shadow001
02-23-10, 09:35 PM
When you think about it guys. Just because the an nvidia exec said it won't hit its full stride until Q2 doesn't mean availability will necessarily be so limited as the 58xx series when it launched. They are launching near the end of Q1 and with only two cards. Even if quantities were fine they likely would not be able to sell as many as a full quarter where more cards are supposedly are going to launch (especially mainstream). And then who knows if the Tesla Fermi cards will even launch in Q1. Two cards are a mere fraction of what their business is made up of. I'm not saying quantities won't be limited but what I'm saying is either way it's only common sense that it won't hit full stride until Q2 if you're launching at the tail end of Q1...


HD 5700/5800 cards launched with 300 000 cards combined,and they still ran out of them in the first week,then it took several more weeks for a higher volumes to become available.


Hell,even my cards,which i ordered a pair when the NDA officially dropped on november 23rd,and i ordered thru NCIX,which listed 5 of them in stock,and their stock numbers are updated every hour btw.

when i started filling the order and adding my credit card and shipping details,the inventory was updated just before and those 5 were gone already,and i had to wait 2 weeks to get them(early december),and that's me pulling the trigger as soon as the NDA dropped....What little they had flew off the shelves basically.

Rollo
02-23-10, 10:15 PM
This is why everyone thinks you're an arrogant douche rollo. I wish we had Chris back.

Posting that Charlie's rumors are FUD isn't "arrogant". Peace be with you, brother Ninja.

Rollo
02-23-10, 10:19 PM
5000 to 8000 cards worldwide on launch actually is what he said,which basically translates into no cards when you split that group up between the vendors that carry Nvidia products and spread that out between all the regions in the world...That stock isn't just for the USA you know?

Again, Charlie is a retard. He only posts FUD. The only people who believe his FUD are ATi fans who hope it's true.

shadow001
02-23-10, 10:20 PM
I wish we had Chris back too. And I wish you'd quit posting on forums altogether and just go back to the fetid swamp I think fanATics spring from.

Unfortunately some things really are too much to hope for and good things don't always come to those who wait.

Chris will always be gone, and in 50 years you'll still be hissing "I hear Charlie says NVIDIA's next card will be in short supply and expensive, we'd better all buy an ATi card guys!".


Actually,i emphasized the point that it's 6 months late primarily...On multiple posts in fact.


You do realise that if it doesn't blow the HD5870 out of the water,those who waited for this thing will be the blunt of many jokes in the future right?.....:p


Just saying....:D