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shadow001
02-25-10, 12:18 PM
Seems that turkish article was translated better,and here's what it says:


http://vr-zone.com/forums/565476/-rumour-geforce-gtx-400-series-details-performance-pricing-etc.-.html


Ouch if the pricing is accurate,and the performance of the GTX480 is only slightly above the HD5870 cards,and Nvidia want 600$ for it,while the GTX470 is between the HD5850 and HD5870 cards,and they still want 500$ for it.

Enrico_be
02-25-10, 12:27 PM
Seems that turkish article was translated better,and here's what it says:


http://vr-zone.com/forums/565476/-rumour-geforce-gtx-400-series-details-performance-pricing-etc.-.html


Ouch if the pricing is accurate,and the performance of the GTX480 is only slightly above the HD5870 cards,and Nvidia want 600$ for it,while the GTX470 is between the HD5850 and HD5870 cards,and they still want 500$ for it.

Aaaw that would be very sad if true :/ If that is correct, I'd might end up buying an ATI card and a lot of my friends 2 ... I'm still gonna wait until the end of March before I decide :)

pkirby11
02-25-10, 12:33 PM
Me personally I'm adopting a wait and see attitude. All these rumors and stuff are getting to me. Ultimately I'm sure it will be as good or better than a 5870. Remember Darth has seen these and he's been impressed. I know he's doing a project but still he seems like a good guy so obviously they perform well. But again price is the biggest thing to me. I'm not paying $600 when I could pay $400 or less for a 5870. So please please please NVIDIA do the right thing and price them competitively. :)

lee63
02-25-10, 12:37 PM
Seems that turkish article was translated better,and here's what it says:


http://vr-zone.com/forums/565476/-rumour-geforce-gtx-400-series-details-performance-pricing-etc.-.html


Ouch if the pricing is accurate,and the performance of the GTX480 is only slightly above the HD5870 cards,and Nvidia want 600$ for it,while the GTX470 is between the HD5850 and HD5870 cards,and they still want 500$ for it.
Wow...pricing and performance seem to change by the day. Rollo shed some light here, at least tell us if this is true...the 5870 isn't looking pale if this is correct.

I was planning on maybe getting a couple of theses on launch....but no way will I pay an extra $200 for slightly better performance.....are they out of their f**king mind :headexplode:

shadow001
02-25-10, 12:44 PM
Seems that ROG edition of the HD5970 ARES that asus is going to release does use a custom PCB,just like the GTX295 MARS edition also did,as the board layout is different compared to the standard card,and it's also taller and uses 4 phase VRM's,while the stock card uses 3 phase.


I also has 3 PCI-e power plugs rather than 2,and the cooler is a 2 1/2 slot design,so 2 of these cards can't be used in all X58 crossfire boards,only on some of them(2 slot spacing between PCI-e slots required),the output's are diferent too


http://www.semiaccurate.com/static/uploads/2010/02_february/asus_ares_rog.jpg


The special edition Ares above:


http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/11/Radeon_HD_5970_Platine.jpg

Stock version.

kesker01
02-25-10, 12:45 PM
As a turkish i wouldnt say their source is reliable at all.

It is stated that dual gpu Fermi is made up from gtx470.

GTX470 %25 faster than gtx285
GTX480 as fast as 5970

A 5970 is about 2 times faster than a gtx285,so the dual gpu Fermi will be about the same speed with gtx480 in good scaling conditions.It may exceed gtx480 near perfect scaling conditions.

So it doesnt make sense to make a dual gpu card which is as fast as their single gpu card in most cases.

My conclusion about their "rumor" is : (nana2)

shadow001
02-25-10, 12:51 PM
Wow...pricing and performance seem to change by the day. Rollo shed some light here, at least tell us if this is true...the 5870 isn't looking pale if this is correct.

I was planning on maybe getting a couple of theses on launch....but no way will I pay an extra $200 for slightly better performance.....are they out of their f**king mind :headexplode:


Would also mean that what charlie stated performance wise was indeed correct all along.

shadow001
02-25-10, 12:59 PM
As a turkish i wouldnt say their source is reliable at all.

It is stated that dual gpu Fermi is made up from gtx470.

GTX470 %25 faster than gtx285
GTX480 as fast as 5970

A 5970 is about 2 times faster than a gtx285,so the dual gpu Fermi will be about the same speed with gtx480 in good scaling conditions.It may exceed gtx480 near perfect scaling conditions.

So it doesnt make sense to make a dual gpu card which is as fast as their single gpu card in most cases.

My conclusion about their "rumor" is : (nana2)


That's the confusing part though.....From what we know,the GTX470 has 448 shaders,a 320 bit memory bus and likely lower clocks,and it's about 25% faster than the GTX285 right?


The GTX480 cards has the full 512 shaders(14% more than GTX 470),the full 384 bit memory bus(20% more bandwith than the GTX 470),and it's supposed to be twice as fast as the GTX 285 cards,and aproach the HD5970.


They're suggesting those relatively small changes account for a 75% performance differencial between the GTX 470 and the GTX480 cards,when the baseline is the GTX 285,and that's just a little bit too wide of a gap for such small changes overall.

kesker01
02-25-10, 01:05 PM
Yeah i agree on that,there is no way there will be that much performance gap between gtx480 and 470,i think.

shadow001
02-25-10, 01:31 PM
Yeah i agree on that,there is no way there will be that much performance gap between gtx480 and 470,i think.


On the other hand,you could be right that the GTX470,being 25% faster than the GTX285,that Nvidia might be able to pull off a dual GPU card using a pair of those,and match or beat the HD5970 cards,since the scaling on games suited for SLI/Crossfire setups,the performance scales from 75~85% from 1 to 2 GPU's usually.


The question comes down to how much power does each GTX470 use in the end?,assuming it can't be done with GTX480 chips since it looks like it uses too much power to allow a dual GPU card anyhow....Isn't speculation awsome...:P.

lee63
02-25-10, 01:43 PM
Maybe those prices are right, although I've not seen a pre order for PNY.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100225PD202.html

grey_1
02-25-10, 02:04 PM
Maybe those prices are right, although I've not seen a pre order for PNY.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100225PD202.html

If those are anywhere near accurate..well, I hope they aren't. I'll be staying with AMD for some time to come.

lee63
02-25-10, 02:30 PM
I have paid premium for NV GPUs for as long as I can remember...600, 700, 750...with ATi's pricing, temps and TDP, how can you not go with them.

Now if the GTX480 out performs the HD5970 then I guess the price is warranted...don't forget the HD5970 msrp is $599, so what can the 480 do for the extra $80 ??????

grey_1
02-25-10, 02:36 PM
I have paid premium for NV GPUs for as long as I can remember...600, 700, 750...with ATi's pricing, temps and TDP, how can you not go with them.

Now if the GTX480 out performs the HD5970 then I guess the price is warranted...don't forget the HD5970 msrp is $599, so what can the 480 do for the extra $80 ??????

True Lee, but my decision is based more off of personal limits I've set for myself and my hobbies.

I'm also buying a truck, a boat, 10 windows and several doors for the house this spring..fishing poles etc etc....Have to cut the budget somewhere :p

Enrico_be
02-25-10, 03:14 PM
@Facebook
http://www.we-wi.be/Images/nvfacebook.png

Nice :)

Uhm, does this mean that everything we read about prices on the internet is speculation (better word -> fake) or ?

Revs
02-25-10, 03:34 PM
@Facebook
http://www.we-wi.be/Images/nvfacebook.png

Nice :)

Uhm, does this mean that everything we read about prices on the internet is speculation (better word -> fake) or ?

Where's that from?

http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIA#!/NVIDIA?v=wall

'cause it aint thar now. Looks fake to me, too.

shadow001
02-25-10, 03:47 PM
I have paid premium for NV GPUs for as long as I can remember...600, 700, 750...with ATi's pricing, temps and TDP, how can you not go with them.

Now if the GTX480 out performs the HD5970 then I guess the price is warranted...don't forget the HD5970 msrp is $599, so what can the 480 do for the extra $80 ??????


We'll just have to see what the final prices are like,see the performance of the cards and compare that with the competition in about 30 days from now.


Nvidia have set the bar pretty high by claiming it'll be releasing the fastest gaming cards on the market when the launch happends,yet the funny thing is that even in the Nvidia provided slides,they compare Fermi against the HD5870,and never make a mention of the HD5970 in any of those slides at all.


Interpret that as you wish.

shadow001
02-25-10, 04:10 PM
here they are:

http://www.techreport.com/r.x/gf100-arch/tessellation-perf.png

http://www.techreport.com/r.x/gf100-arch/unigine-slide.png


Here's a link for the comparison chart over at the tech report,between the GT200,GF100 and the RV870 chip,assuming the GTX480 hits 725Mhz base clock speeds.....Scroll down towards the bottom of the page:


http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/18332/5


You'll notice that only in memory bandwith and in fillrate,the GF100 does beat Cypress,and that in order for users to buy tesla cards,the dual precision floating point capabilities that the GF100 is capable of,is cut to 1/4 on the Geforce versions,so Cuda users/developers are basically encouraged to buy the tesla versions,being much more expensive obviously....Texturing speed is way down from Cypress though.


Again,assuming they hit 725 Mhz on the GF100 core for the GTX480,it beats Cypress by 25% on fillrate,and 30% on the memory bandwith thanks to the 384 bit memory bus.

Memory bandwith is pretty constant regardless of the speeds that the Core ends up operating at,but will they hit that 725 Mhz clock is the question?....

lee63
02-25-10, 04:15 PM
Drivers... No nHancer and the pretty bad driver support for non gaming related stuff really kills it for me. Paying a few bucks more to just avoid that is a no brainer for me.
All I do is game ...so I really have no issues.

Enrico_be
02-25-10, 04:25 PM
Where's that from?

http://www.facebook.com/NVIDIA#!/NVIDIA?v=wall

'cause it aint thar now. Looks fake to me, too.

You will find the Nvidia answer in "We want to apologize for the confusion around our most recent GF100 update. To clarify, the launch date for GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 is March 26, 2010. This date also coincides with the GeForce LAN event NVIDIA is hosting at PAX 2010. Hope you can attend the show. For more info, please visit: www.nvidia.com/paxeast" and click on "View all 195 comments" and scroll down you will see Nvidia said that there ;)

I have some good news btw, I have posted nearly 90% of my findings on another forum 2 and a respected benchmarker said some things to me. I'll try to translate as this is in my home language but my english writing is sadly not so good.

lee63
02-25-10, 04:28 PM
You will find the Nvidia answer in "We want to apologize for the confusion around our most recent GF100 update. To clarify, the launch date for GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 is March 26, 2010. This date also coincides with the GeForce LAN event NVIDIA is hosting at PAX 2010. Hope you can attend the show. For more info, please visit: www.nvidia.com/paxeast" and click on "View all 195 comments" and scroll down you will see Nvidia said that there ;)

I have some good news btw, I have posted nearly 90% of my findings on another forum 2 and a respected benchmarker said some things to me. I'll try to translate as this is in my home language but my english writing is sadly not so good.
What did he say to you???

Revs
02-25-10, 04:36 PM
I'll try to translate as this is in my home language but my english writing is sadly not so good.

Just post a link ;)

Enrico_be
02-25-10, 04:37 PM
As I have little time I'm going to use google translate. If something is not understandable I'll try to explain better in english but as I said before my english writing skills are terrible :p It's not that much info but it is very reliable ! And I'm already happy because Charlie is wrong on the 5% marge :D:D

Source : http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/view_message/33538092

@ http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20100225062603_Lower_Cost_Fermi_Graphics_Processor s_Due_in_the_Middle_of_the_Year_Nvidia.html

Bit-tech link, I can partially confirm. I talked Nvidia today, and they really wanted nothing to say on GF100, but wanted to refer to Jensen's statements, that Fermi would make an impact in may. That was about all video cards, by and between the words, with a hint there, the PR man also referred to derivatives, or mainstream cards. He further said that we might be surprised about the availability of the GTX 470 and GTX 480. Great Speech or not, that's what he said. They are "cautiously optimistic". They don't know what AMD has up its sleeve, but the benchmarks would be positive, and faster than Charlie's claimed 5%.

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@ http://techreport.com/discussions.x/18525

Tech Report link, I can partly false. Also there has been discussion, and there would not be privileged partners, because then it would be no end. The PR man sounded quite serious, so I do not think there really are privileged partners.

Iruwen
02-25-10, 04:44 PM
They don't know what AMD has up its sleeve, but the benchmarks would be positive, and faster than Charlie's claimed 5%.

This may mean anything from 6% upwards :p

kaptkarl
02-25-10, 08:16 PM
Drivers... No nHancer and the pretty bad driver support for non gaming related stuff really kills it for me. Paying a few bucks more to just avoid that is a no brainer for me.

Drivers????? Please.......I'll bite on the "no nHancer" deal, but I've experienced MORE, yes alot more issues w/NVidia's drivers over the last 2yrs than with ATI's drivers. Believe it.

Someone please, please come up with another excuse not to go ATI other than drivers. I'm soooo tired of hearing that lame excuse. They are fast and stable, but just don't have profiles.

I have 3 pc's - one w/ nvidia vid card, and the other two ATI's. Just saying......;)

Kapt