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shadow001
02-25-10, 09:15 PM
Drivers????? Please.......I'll bite on the "no nHancer" deal, but I've experienced MORE, yes alot more issues w/NVidia's drivers over the last 2yrs than with ATI's drivers. Believe it.

Someone please, please come up with another excuse not to go ATI other than drivers. I'm soooo tired of hearing that lame excuse. They are fast and stable, but just don't have profiles.

I have 3 pc's - one w/ nvidia vid card, and the other two ATI's. Just saying......;)

Kapt



They do now,starting with the 10.2 driver set,and they're updatable thru ATI's web site,so no more having to wait a month for the entire driver package for new crossfire profiles,with a game that's just been released anymore.

lee63
02-25-10, 09:43 PM
I don't understand the profiles....do you need to uninstall the old or just install the new ? and how the hell do you know what games have profiles??

Muppet
02-25-10, 10:59 PM
Drivers????? Please.......I'll bite on the "no nHancer" deal, but I've experienced MORE, yes alot more issues w/NVidia's drivers over the last 2yrs than with ATI's drivers. Believe it.

Someone please, please come up with another excuse not to go ATI other than drivers. I'm soooo tired of hearing that lame excuse. They are fast and stable, but just don't have profiles.

I have 3 pc's - one w/ nvidia vid card, and the other two ATI's. Just saying......;)

Kapt

If you read his post before commenting, you would see it's not game related issues he is talking about. He was talking about other software issues, not gaming.

shadow001
02-25-10, 11:03 PM
I don't understand the profiles....do you need to uninstall the old or just install the new ? and how the hell do you know what games have profiles??


Just install the new ones right on top....They're named Crossfire X application profiles 10.2 right now,so all you need to check is if there's a later package with a higher number basically


http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx


It's right on the top of the page,after clicking the radeon drivers link and the profiles apply to every windows operating system.

lee63
02-25-10, 11:22 PM
Just install the new ones right on top....They're named Crossfire X application profiles 10.2 right now,so all you need to check is if there's a later package with a higher number basically


http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx


It's right on the top of the page,after clicking the radeon drivers link and the profiles apply to every windows operating system.
Ok, I got it...thanks.

Here is the latest btw

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/nvidias_geforce_gtx_480_470_will_come_low_supply_h igh_prices

Iruwen
02-26-10, 05:07 AM
Drivers????? Please.......I'll bite on the "no nHancer" deal, but I've experienced MORE, yes alot more issues w/NVidia's drivers over the last 2yrs than with ATI's drivers. Believe it.

Someone please, please come up with another excuse not to go ATI other than drivers. I'm soooo tired of hearing that lame excuse. They are fast and stable, but just don't have profiles.

He didn't even talk about gaming, but that's also still an issue. Seems like you're one of the few unlucky (or lucky) ones. ATI drivers are mostly fast - as long as they work. Some games crash or don't run at all and are never fixed, I sold my GTX 295 and got a 4850 so I could at least play some of my older games until Fermi is out, but no luck (RE5 being one of them). Many people recently had problems uninstalling catalyst (including me) because the uninstaller simply didn't work. You had to download a current driver and use its uninstaller routine. Catalyst A.I. often causes crashes and hangs. Linux support still lacks refinement, Windows 7 RC1 support was practically non-existent and they totally screwed up the catalyst 10.1 release in terms of version number confusion and 9.12 bugfixes which were not ported to 10.1 amongst other problems.
So yeah, ATI driver support is pretty great. Not.

/e: More problems (http://semiaccurate.com/2010/02/01/ati-grey-screen-death-fix-coming-soon/) they still couldn't fix (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1496547).

/e˛: btw, Nvidia directly contacted the nHancer developer and told him that there will be an extended and documented NVAPI especially for tools like this. They don't want third party developers to mess around with the core system, so they'll provide an easy API to create such tweak tools. See here (http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=476509).

hell_of_doom227
03-02-10, 08:18 AM
He didn't even talk about gaming, but that's also still an issue. Seems like you're one of the few unlucky (or lucky) ones. ATI drivers are mostly fast - as long as they work. Some games crash or don't run at all and are never fixed, I sold my GTX 295 and got a 4850 so I could at least play some of my older games until Fermi is out, but no luck (RE5 being one of them). Many people recently had problems uninstalling catalyst (including me) because the uninstaller simply didn't work. You had to download a current driver and use its uninstaller routine. Catalyst A.I. often causes crashes and hangs. Linux support still lacks refinement, Windows 7 RC1 support was practically non-existent and they totally screwed up the catalyst 10.1 release in terms of version number confusion and 9.12 bugfixes which were not ported to 10.1 amongst other problems.
So yeah, ATI driver support is pretty great. Not.

/e: More problems (http://semiaccurate.com/2010/02/01/ati-grey-screen-death-fix-coming-soon/) they still couldn't fix (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1496547).

/e˛: btw, Nvidia directly contacted the nHancer developer and told him that there will be an extended and documented NVAPI especially for tools like this. They don't want third party developers to mess around with the core system, so they'll provide an easy API to create such tweak tools. See here (http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=476509).

Since i got ATI cards my gaming experience was nothing but going down. Can't wait for Fermi to get rid of these cards. AMD/ATI you really try hard but sorry, your driver department sucks.

pkirby11
03-02-10, 01:42 PM
He didn't even talk about gaming, but that's also still an issue. Seems like you're one of the few unlucky (or lucky) ones. ATI drivers are mostly fast - as long as they work. Some games crash or don't run at all and are never fixed, I sold my GTX 295 and got a 4850 so I could at least play some of my older games until Fermi is out, but no luck (RE5 being one of them). Many people recently had problems uninstalling catalyst (including me) because the uninstaller simply didn't work. You had to download a current driver and use its uninstaller routine. Catalyst A.I. often causes crashes and hangs. Linux support still lacks refinement, Windows 7 RC1 support was practically non-existent and they totally screwed up the catalyst 10.1 release in terms of version number confusion and 9.12 bugfixes which were not ported to 10.1 amongst other problems.
So yeah, ATI driver support is pretty great. Not.

/e: More problems (http://semiaccurate.com/2010/02/01/ati-grey-screen-death-fix-coming-soon/) they still couldn't fix (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1496547).

/e˛: btw, Nvidia directly contacted the nHancer developer and told him that there will be an extended and documented NVAPI especially for tools like this. They don't want third party developers to mess around with the core system, so they'll provide an easy API to create such tweak tools. See here (http://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=476509).

Ever think maybe your just doing something wrong? I'm not being a jerk I mean it. I've had ATI and NVIDIA and while I'll say that at times NVIDIA drivers seemed much better than ATI's that isn't the case anymore. I think it's been two years since I had any major issues with ATI drivers, in fact they install/uninstall just fine and every game (WoW, Dragon Age, Half Life 2 and others) I've had no issues with.

I think the drivers issue is just something people like to use as a go to for why ATI sucks when maybe it's just your system or the install? I've been problem free for 2 years now, of course I also stopped doing dual GPU'S (NVIDIA/ATI) two years ago. Maybe that's it? I never did like the whole having to buy two graphics cards to get the most performance. I found SLI and Crossfire to be very buggy.

Vardant
03-03-10, 03:45 AM
So it looks like another game, that's gonna be showcased is Just Cause 2.

Square Enix London Studios, a part of Square Enix Europe, today revealed that the PC release of Just CauseŽ 2 will feature a suite of advanced graphical enhancements supported by NVIDIAŽ GPUs, including next-generation lighting and water routines and full support for 3D Vision, adding further immersion into the graphically rich game.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/just-cause-2-adds-support-for-latest-nvidia-technologies-85999182.html

Revs
03-03-10, 04:51 AM
GTX480 PCB photo's..

http://www.guru3d.com/news/geforce-gtx-480-pcb-photo/
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=316712

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=22636

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=22637

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=22638

That's one big-ass GPU!

K007
03-03-10, 06:37 AM
man NUMBERS NUMBERS NuMBERS!!

Iruwen
03-03-10, 06:43 AM
Ever think maybe your just doing something wrong?

No, but I knew you'd suppose that ;) That's why I said that a lot of people had exactly the same problems. I'm a practitioner. And since a lot of people recently did a fresh reinstall of Windows 7, it's also not due to botched systems.

Iruwen
03-03-10, 06:47 AM
That's one big-ass GPU!

That's a heat spreader ;)
More than 3 billion transistors need a good housing :D

Revs
03-03-10, 06:55 AM
GTX 480 is faster than HD 5870

Cebit 2010: Twice the speed in Unigine

Nvidia's GTX 480 ends up faster than HD 5870 in some cases and according to Nvidia it is the fastest GPU on the market, or to be precise, it will be faster than the HD 5870 once it finally shows up.

We must note that we can confirm that it does happen in some cases, as Nvidia is still keeping the performance numbers for itself as it wants to keep AMD at its toes. Nvidia reps are pretty sure that AMD is still tapping in dark when it comes to Fermi. The GTX 480 is faster in Unigine Heaven benchmark in some situations where actual GPU power does matter.

All this is pretty good news for Nvidia, but it still has to launch the card, while AMD has been selling its HD 5000 series cards for months now.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17889/65/

Fermi is here but not here

Cebit 2010: Nvidia gives advice on patience


As you might have already heard, Fermi is present on Cebit, although physically seeing it here is relatively difficult for the general public. Nvidia has equipped some rigs with its latest graphics card and put some unscrupulous people in charge of guarding them, so now the outfit is giving advice on patience.

However, Nvidia's secretive policies could potentially backfire. A lot of sites are carrying baseless rumours and half-truths about the upcoming card. It is not easy to blame them, as people are hungry for Fermi news, and since Nvidia is not catering to their needs, they are turning to the rumour mill. It is a bit odd that Nvidia would miss out on an opportunity to utilize mass Cebit coverage to its advantage, thus generating even more rumors, mainly negative ones.

The people who traveled far and wide to attend Europe's biggest tech trade show would have appreciated at least a few tidbits of information, a few photos or live samples. As journalists are managing to get the info, visitors are more likely to learn something about Fermi online than on the show itself and this just isn't right.

"Hold on to your seats is" what Nvidia advises users, although we’re sick and tired of holding our seats and would rather hold an actual GTX 480s in our hands. I mean, look what holding on to his seat did to this poor guy.

http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2010/Cebit/fermi_holdseats_b.jpg

http://www.fudzilla.com/images/stories/2010/Cebit/fermi_holdseats_a.jpg

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17891/65/

GTX 480 to have a different cooler

Cebit 2010: Four heatpipes for this one

We managed to get a glimpse of the GTX 480 final design and we can confirm that the cooler will be different than on the one pixellized earlier. We already wrote before that Nvidia still hasn't announced the final clock speeds for the card to its partners and that cooler might change as well.

We didn't manage to get a picture of the card, as Nvidia still runs a tight policy on any really important info about Fermi, but more info might show up during these few days of Cebit. What we managed to see is that the cooler of the GTX 480 will still maintain a dual slot design but this time it will have four heatpipes sticking out of the top of the card.

As mentioned, Nvidia is still pretty silent about the precise clocks or the differences between its GTX 480 and GTX 470 models, but some partners might be a bit more talkative.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17888/65/

K007
03-03-10, 07:18 AM
So...its using a PCI 128x or something? Y hide the interface??? wooden?

Revs
03-03-10, 07:20 AM
So...its using a PCI 128x or something? Y hide the interface??? wooden?

I was thinking the same thing. Not sure really..

Iruwen
03-03-10, 07:33 AM
Probably there's something on the interface that might tell Nvidia who made the photos.

hell_of_doom227
03-03-10, 07:49 AM
What did he say to you???

I agree. I stopped gaming on my system, waiting for Fermi to swap this out. That will be a day to remember :p

Rollo
03-04-10, 08:05 AM
So...its using a PCI 128x or something? Y hide the interface??? wooden?

The whole card is wood, GPU and all. NVIDIA has discovered wood to be superior to silicon for all electrical devices.

(but only blue spruce, it turns out the chemical that gives them that bluish tint is a super conductant)

:)

pkirby11
03-04-10, 12:17 PM
No, but I knew you'd suppose that ;) That's why I said that a lot of people had exactly the same problems. I'm a practitioner. And since a lot of people recently did a fresh reinstall of Windows 7, it's also not due to botched systems.

Hey just saying, doesn't seem like you where but I also don't have any issues. All I know is I'll go with the best performance for the best dollar any day. NVIDIA will get my business when they put out a good card again, hell I had a GTX260 for a while it offered good performance. I just went with ATI on my last build and I plan to stick with ATI for my next upgrade too. Price not performance is the ultimate decision maker for me anymore.

Muppet
03-04-10, 10:19 PM
Price not performance is the ultimate decision maker for me anymore.

That would be the same for 90% of the worlds population as well.

pkirby11
03-05-10, 04:01 PM
Oh by the way, because I can't find this on the forums anywhere even though it's a major bug and a major screw up by NVIDIA. Guess their drivers aren't as great, at least ATI never fried my video card.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/

Sorry had to post it, just saying that both companies screw up. ATI has done a very good job lately with making working reliable drivers. At least for me they have. NVIDIA does to but this proves that they can screw up.

Johnny C
03-05-10, 07:25 PM
Oh by the way, because I can't find this on the forums anywhere even though it's a major bug and a major screw up by NVIDIA. Guess their drivers aren't as great, at least ATI never fried my video card.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/

Sorry had to post it, just saying that both companies screw up. ATI has done a very good job lately with making working reliable drivers. At least for me they have. NVIDIA does to but this proves that they can screw up.

At least it wasn't the Fermi release driver set......could you imagine that **** storm?

I can't wait till the next ATi has crap drivers thread....

K007
03-05-10, 07:52 PM
worst part is it was whql as well lol...shows how much testing is really done lol

Xion X2
03-06-10, 12:35 AM
Oh by the way, because I can't find this on the forums anywhere even though it's a major bug and a major screw up by NVIDIA. Guess their drivers aren't as great, at least ATI never fried my video card.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/

Sorry had to post it, just saying that both companies screw up. ATI has done a very good job lately with making working reliable drivers. At least for me they have. NVIDIA does to but this proves that they can screw up.

Holy crap.