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Stevia
03-04-10, 09:47 AM
Hello fellow members!

I was wondering if any of you could give me a relative time frame for fermi's release. Also what is the estimated price range? I am in a bit of a pickle here. Currently I own a 5870 and I am very unhappy with it. Powerful Hardware no question about that, unfortunately hardware is only half of the equation while drivers are the other half and this is where ATI fails. I plan to sell this Card before ATI lowers the price when fermi comes out.

This is my first time using ATI products, so prior to owning them I had heard all about the numerous driver problems etc...When I purchased this card many had claimed at this point that the ATI drivers were much improved and no longer had the problems that plagued there past drivers.

In my personal experience I find this to be untrue. Ati is constantly releasing drivers fixs(hot fix) and usually it fixes one thing and breaks 3 others. I am sick and tired of this and it's inability to force AA consistently, Vsync issue etc... while Nvidia drivers never had a problem in this area. Only after actually owning/testing the ATI hardware does it make me appreciate the Nvidia Drivers even more. My 6800+8800GTX was a dream to use, compared to my 5870. CCC is poorly designed period. This is not a question of getting used to ATI's different approach to driver interface. I learned all the ins and outs of CCC and still came away very unimpressed. Nvidia control panel is simplistic and straight forward. If it was not for ATI TOOLS I would have already lost it.

Anyways I am borrowing my brothers GTX260 for the time being. I want to be able to reserve or make a pre-order on the fermi card when retailers have the available information. I need to have an idea of how much cash I need to put aside. Right Now I have $500-CAN

Revs
03-04-10, 09:56 AM
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=148139

hell_of_doom227
03-04-10, 01:38 PM
Hello fellow members!

I was wondering if any of you could give me a relative time frame for fermi's release. Also what is the estimated price range? I am in a bit of a pickle here. Currently I own a 5870 and I am very unhappy with it. Powerful Hardware no question about that, unfortunately hardware is only half of the equation while drivers are the other half and this is where ATI fails. I plan to sell this Card before ATI lowers the price when fermi comes out.

This is my first time using ATI products, so prior to owning them I had heard all about the numerous driver problems etc...When I purchased this card many had claimed at this point that the ATI drivers were much improved and no longer had the problems that plagued there past drivers.

In my personal experience I find this to be untrue. Ati is constantly releasing drivers fixs(hot fix) and usually it fixes one thing and breaks 3 others. I am sick and tired of this and it's inability to force AA consistently, Vsync issue etc... while Nvidia drivers never had a problem in this area. Only after actually owning/testing the ATI hardware does it make me appreciate the Nvidia Drivers even more. My 6800+8800GTX was a dream to use, compared to my 5870. CCC is poorly designed period. This is not a question of getting used to ATI's different approach to driver interface. I learned all the ins and outs of CCC and still came away very unimpressed. Nvidia control panel is simplistic and straight forward. If it was not for ATI TOOLS I would have already lost it.

Anyways I am borrowing my brothers GTX260 for the time being. I want to be able to reserve or make a pre-order on the fermi card when retailers have the available information. I need to have an idea of how much cash I need to put aside. Right Now I have $500-CAN

I am in same pain. I have two of them in Crossfire and my experience with it is :headexplode:

Stevia
03-04-10, 03:48 PM
What a Pain in the ASS ATI's CCC has been. All I have gotten from the ATI community(rage3d) was weak excuses such as the game was never ment to have AA, the developer is Nvidia biased etc...with CCC you are always guessing. Also profiles are still a problem after all these years.

Toss3
03-04-10, 04:04 PM
What a Pain in the ASS ATI's CCC has been. All I have gotten from the ATI community(rage3d) was weak excuses such as the game was never ment to have AA, the developer is Nvidia biased etc...with CCC you are always guessing. Also profiles are still a problem after all these years.

Sorry to hear that you are having problems, but the 5870 is still a league better than the GTX 260. Nvidia's drivers are better, but without nhancer I'd give the edge to ATI.
Have you tried renaming the exe:s to UT3 or alt-tabbing out of the game and then enable AA? Which games are you having problems with?

EDIT: Forgot to mention this earlier - running d3doverrider seems to fix most of the vsync issues with ati cards.

Johnny C
03-04-10, 04:25 PM
What a Pain in the ASS ATI's CCC has been. All I have gotten from the ATI community(rage3d) was weak excuses such as the game was never ment to have AA, the developer is Nvidia biased etc...with CCC you are always guessing. Also profiles are still a problem after all these years.

Sorry but since you have a 5870 and it will run everything out there with decent frame rates and AA you can just force 4X SS AA on everything and run it fine....wth are you moaning about...

CCC is easier to use than NV control panel....the only, and I mean only thing better about nV,....is nHancer and it's ability to manipulate profiles which has abso****inglutely nothing to do with nVidia.

Stevia
03-05-10, 08:04 AM
Sorry but since you have a 5870 and it will run everything out there with decent frame rates and AA you can just force 4X SS AA on everything and run it fine....wth are you moaning about...

4x SS destroys framerate in Stalker COP. 4X SS AA is a performance Killer in modern games. Also the ATI drivers have more issues with past games than Nvidia driver which I have not had any issues with. Plus even if you use SS some games refuse to work hence why ATI has to constantly issue Hotfixes. There was even a thread on Rage3d about the AA issues and how Nvidia was able to overcome them in driver while ATI just plain refused to do the same. While I agree Nhancher has made Nvidia drivers better, I have been happy without it, unlike ATI were it's necessary to have to USE ATI TOOLS just to get CCC to work properly.

CCC is easier to use than NV control panel....the only, and I mean only thing better about nV,....is nHancer and it's ability to manipulate profiles which has abso****inglutely nothing to do with nVidia.

No way, Nvidia has always had a better driver set than ATI and it's more straight forward. Now if you feel that CCC is better than I will respect your opinion but it's one I will not share until ATI rewrites there driver set to be on par with Nvidia. I don't Think ATI's drivers are crap, but I sure as hell expected more considering what Nvidia has been able to produce. Simply put, CCC has alot more issue than Nvidia's Forceware. You can say that I am incorrect but I spent alot of time reading the problems over at Rage3d and experiencing them myself.

Sorry to hear that you are having problems, but the 5870 is still a league better than the GTX 260. Nvidia's drivers are better, but without nhancer I'd give the edge to ATI.
Have you tried renaming the exe:s to UT3 or alt-tabbing out of the game and then enable AA? Which games are you having problems with?

EDIT: Forgot to mention this earlier - running d3doverrider seems to fix most of the vsync issues with ati cards.



Agreed, as I said before the 5870 is very powerful hardware no question about that. What good is this power if I can't get certain elements of it to function properly. I am tired of having to wait and see if ATI fixes it in there next driver when I can use a GTX 260 and have it all work right off the bat.

AS for Vsnyc I am aware that the 2 current options are to use; the D3Doverider from rivatuner or use ATI TOOLS which also forces Vsync.

Ultimately I think it's only fair for people to know that when moving over to ATI do not expect the same driver quality that you were getting from Nvidia. Overall for most new games the 5870 does function well, and ATI is quick to patch bugs etc... Just I have had to many issues that I expect to work since Nvidia seems not to be having those problems.

hell_of_doom227
03-05-10, 02:08 PM
Since i own two of these HD5870 i played only one game Mass Effect 2 with no AA, that's how good gaming experience is with them. By the time they released Crossfire profile for Mass Effect 2 a game was like two months old and already beat it. Bottom line -> absolute garbage.

Toss3
03-05-10, 02:16 PM
Since i own two of these HD5870 i played only one game Mass Effect 2 with no AA, that's how good gaming experience is with them. By the time they released Crossfire profile for Mass Effect 2 a game was like two months old and already beat it. Bottom line -> absolute garbage.

Would someone ban this troll already? You just needed to rename the me2.exe to ut3.exe in order to enable AA. Guess your IQ didn't allow you to do a simple google search. Also you need to enable catalyst AI to enable crossfire so I'm guessing you don't really have two 5870 at all.
Btw. nvidia didn't have an sli profile for ME2 either when it launched and there was a lot of people who had problems with SLI AA(nhancer took care of it though).

hell_of_doom227
03-05-10, 02:43 PM
Would someone ban this troll already? You just needed to rename the me2.exe to ut3.exe in order to enable AA. Guess your IQ didn't allow you to do a simple google search. Also you need to enable catalyst AI to enable crossfire so I'm guessing you don't really have two 5870 at all.
Btw. nvidia didn't have an sli profile for ME2 either when it launched and there was a lot of people who had problems with SLI AA(nhancer took care of it though).

I know that i could rename me2.exe to ut3.exe but i simply don't want to cause i paid ****ing $800 expecting from AMD/ATI to make it work without doing hacks. AI is enabled, i am saying that you couldn't do a ****ing thing with crossfire profiles, pretty much wait for ATI to release a fix. Now they have these updates on Crossfire which is still useles, they don't even say for what games and also their profiler is joke.

Toss3
03-05-10, 02:49 PM
I know that i could rename me2.exe to ut3.exe but i simply don't want to cause i paid ****ing $800 expecting from AMD/ATI to make it work without doing hacks. AI is enabled, i am saying that you couldn't do a ****ing thing with crossfire profiles, pretty much wait for ATI to release a fix. Now they have these updates on Crossfire which is still useles, they don't even say for what games and also their profiler is joke.

Well crossfire worked in ME2 from day one while SLI didn't. AA also didn't work in SLI mode(neither did it in crossfire, but ATi released a ME2 hotfix in Jan in order to fix it).
Also you'd have to be freaking lazy not to rename one little shortcut to UT3.exe instead of playing the game without AA.

Xion X2
03-05-10, 11:33 PM
Hello fellow members!

I am sick and tired of this and it's inability to force AA consistently, Vsync issue etc... while Nvidia drivers never had a problem in this area.

No offense, but I grow weary of those who expect ATI and the CCC to function just like the Nvidia control panel.

In regards to AA "not working" for Nvidia guys who have migrated to ATI...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2156266&postcount=7

AA works in most games just fine for ATI, but there's a certain way you have to set your options in the CCC. It doesn't work like the Nvidia CP where you can simply force it from the control panel in every application. ATI and Nvidia are two entirely separate companies with separate applications/implementations for graphics settings.

If you want to switch camps, that's fine, as Nvidia has some nice drivers and products. I'm just giving you the heads up that it's probably some settings that you have wrong. I've very rarely had an issue with ATI not running AA in a game or not being able to get vsync to work (no vsync is a side effect from forcing AA in the CCC when it's not supposed to be, by the way.)

In all fairness, it's not entirely the user's fault. ATI should have some sort of readme or instruction file in the driver set that explains how their AA works.

K007
03-06-10, 01:07 AM
i don't know how anyone of u guys can call nvidia drivers better after the last release.

ATi drivers have been very good so far.

Xion X2
03-06-10, 01:17 AM
i don't know how anyone of u guys can call nvidia drivers better after the last release.



You mean this one (http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/nvidia-pulls-196-75-driver-amid-reports-its-frying-graphics-car/) ?

Pretty incredible, to say the least. That's a new low.

I'm a firm believer that most people simply don't know how to cool a case, but to have a driver actually stop the fan from spinning on the card when under load.. wow.

Iruwen
03-06-10, 07:12 AM
That's an incredible QA failure, but actually it's just one failure. As compared to an incredible, ongoing fail ;)

K007
03-06-10, 08:03 AM
That's an incredible QA failure, but actually it's just one failure. As compared to an incredible, ongoing fail ;)

please clarify

Vardant
03-06-10, 08:05 AM
Grey screen of death?

K007
03-06-10, 08:45 AM
?

Iruwen
03-06-10, 08:59 AM
I didn't even mean that one specifically, but thanks for the backup:
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/02/01/ati-grey-screen-death-fix-coming-soon/
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1496547

Enrico_be
03-06-10, 09:21 AM
Also, 2D on HD5xxx is pathetic atm :)
"The GeForce GTX 285 runs as much as 11 times faster than ATI's Radeon HD 5870. Worse yet, an on-board graphics processor from a two year-old $50 motherboard bests this $400 graphics card by an order of magnitude"

But it will be fixed with Catalyst 10.4 they say :)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-9.html
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17966/1/

Xion X2
03-06-10, 09:54 AM
You guys need some perspective.

There's quite a gap between a grey screen of death popping up maybe once every week or two and a driver that literally STOPS your fan from spinning on your card and causes it to overheat and, in some cases, DIE.

When was the last time that ATI released a driver that they had to REMOVE from their site because the issue was so serious?

Ninja Prime
03-06-10, 11:12 AM
Also, 2D on HD5xxx is pathetic atm :)
"The GeForce GTX 285 runs as much as 11 times faster than ATI's Radeon HD 5870. Worse yet, an on-board graphics processor from a two year-old $50 motherboard bests this $400 graphics card by an order of magnitude"

But it will be fixed with Catalyst 10.4 they say :)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/2d-windows-gdi,2539-9.html
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/17966/1/

Good thing you bought a $400 3D card for 2D performance then...

Enrico_be
03-06-10, 01:24 PM
Good thing you bought a $400 3D card for 2D performance then...

No, I pay for a total package ... my graphics card has to be able to do more than just perform in 3D games ;)

Stevia
03-06-10, 02:41 PM
No offense, but I grow weary of those who expect ATI and the CCC to function just like the Nvidia control panel.

In regards to AA "not working" for Nvidia guys who have migrated to ATI...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2156266&postcount=7

AA works in most games just fine for ATI, but there's a certain way you have to set your options in the CCC. It doesn't work like the Nvidia CP where you can simply force it from the control panel in every application. ATI and Nvidia are two entirely separate companies with separate applications/implementations for graphics settings.

If you want to switch camps, that's fine, as Nvidia has some nice drivers and products. I'm just giving you the heads up that it's probably some settings that you have wrong. I've very rarely had an issue with ATI not running AA in a game or not being able to get vsync to work (no vsync is a side effect from forcing AA in the CCC when it's not supposed to be, by the way.)

In all fairness, it's not entirely the user's fault. ATI should have some sort of readme or instruction file in the driver set that explains how their AA works.

Actually I purchased the card the day you made that thread and was probably was one of the first to read it. I first want to thank you for your informative thread as I thought that was a great contribution seeing as many members haere have jump to ATI for the 5XXX series. Non the less the issues I and many others have had were not resolved regardless of what settings were used in CCC. Fact is when I had the Nvidia Card issues were small and manageable. With ATI this is the first Time I felt gypped considering how much I payed for this card. Now I have to wait till 10.4 sometime in April in hope that these issues are fixed.

Blacklash
03-06-10, 03:27 PM
I've got no complaints about my HD 5870 and I'm always looking for the fastest single GPU.

The heaven bench I saw @ 1920x1080 shows the 480 doing 43-45FPS around the dragon using DX11. That same scene drops my 5870 @ 1030|1300 down to 23FPS @ 1920x1200.

Seems pretty solid to me.

I'll probably snag one on release.