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Vardin
07-16-03, 07:49 AM
Hi I currently have a vanilla 64 meg geforce 3 in my system however I just won a 128 meg geforce fx 5200 non-ultra from evga and looking at the reviews of this card all I can say is that there not very positive, however there all comparing it from the geforce 4 line of cards. I was just wondering how much if any performance gain I'm going to get from this card or if I should keep the geforce3 and sell the 5200 to my sister that only has a geforce 1.

saturnotaku
07-16-03, 07:57 AM
If you're a pretty hardcore gamer, I would stick with that GeForce3 and sell the 5200 to your sister. She'll definitely see a nice performance increase while you won't (for the most part). Use the money you made from the sale of that card towards the purchase of a Radeon 9800 or GeForce FX 5900.

GlowStick
07-16-03, 08:16 AM
Yeah id keep the Geforce 3, wow your lucky, im guessing you won it from EVGA?

StealthHawk
07-16-03, 08:18 AM
The gf3 should be a better card.

ragejg
07-16-03, 08:41 AM
my 64 bit version 5200 touched GF4MX/GF2ti territory, and I have a feeling that a *for real* 5200 might be right on the heels of the GF3... It seems to me that a lightly OC'ed good 5200 would give a GF3 a run for it's money, and I believe you could probably run games @ GF3 settings + a leeeetle bit o AF/AA...

Because I LOVE GF3's, I'd personally keep the GF3...

But throw it in your system and see how it compares... good indicators would be the Unreal2 demo, BF1942, and C&C Generals...

Quite the toss-up, I must say :)... good luck with your choice!

Rogozhin
07-16-03, 08:58 AM
jeez, they are that bad? that a two year old card is better?

same kinda deal with the g4mx series :(

shoot for a raddy9800 or 5900ultra

bad nvidia bad

rogo

Geforce4ti4200
07-16-03, 10:41 AM
Before you sell that card, test it out. also look at the card. If theres 4 ram chips, itll get eaten badly by the mx440(if that one isnt the se verson) and if theres 8 chips, it shouldnt be much slower than a ti200.If you overclock that fx5200, it may match a *stock* geforce3 but the fx5200 gets ya dx9, making it great for tomorrows games albet in 640x480 or maybe 800x600

Dazz
07-16-03, 03:30 PM
The FX5200 should give pretty mush the same peformance as a GF3, but with far faster AF & FSAA.

StealthHawk
07-16-03, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
The FX5200 should give pretty mush the same peformance as a GF3, but with far faster AF & FSAA.

Is that actually true? Isn't the gfFX5200 lacking some things like Z compression(which the gf3 has) and color compression(gf3 doesn't have this, but this is what makes the gfFX have fast FSAA). I don't imagine that AF would be much faster than a gf3s.

I also have my doubts whether or not a gfFX5200 is actually faster at shading than a gf3, but AFAIK no one has tested this.

TECH_PC
07-16-03, 08:52 PM
Now I'm having second thoughts about buying an FX 5200. I was planning on buying the new PNY FX 5200 128 MB with 128-bit memory bandwidth - PCI version. I was going to replace my Radeon 7500 64 MB PCI with it. What kind of performance boost might I get (If any)???

Sorry to Hijack but I would like to know before I spend my money ;), thanks.

Geforce4ti4200
07-16-03, 09:05 PM
errr pci cards suck, get an agp one. get a new mobo and cpu actually, you wont be able to run any of the new games either way. a kt400 mobo and xp1700 runs very cheap and youll gain serious performance. also get an agp 64mb ti4200. see my sig for ideas

ragejg
07-16-03, 09:55 PM
fastest, best designed PCi vidcard: Radeon 9100... It pretty much whups the crap out of all other pci cards, even the 9000. If yer gettin a pci card, then your getting a card for a system you know isn't gonna last much past tax time 2004... which basically puts you out of shooting range for anything that really takes advantage of dx9... so a dx8 card IMO is a good thing for this system category...

R9100PCI's get 8k in 3dmk2k1 coupled with a PIV 2.4... not too bad for pci...

oh, shader perf. of GF3 vs. 64bit FX5200? 16fps in nature vs 50... same score ratio for other pixel and vertex shader tests as well... I wondr what the true 5200's would do in comparison...

sometimes people GOTTA get pci cards, and though they are weaker, some offer decent performance for the money, and can help extend the lifetime of a system...

ie: early Pentium II (233) with SDRAM and integrated gfx COULD be jacked all the way to P3 1.4ghz, buttloads o ram, and a R9100pci... if you were sentimental and werent worried about wasting money

TECH_PC
07-16-03, 10:27 PM
My head!?!?!?! :D

Radeon 9100 or FX 5200

Now I'm thinking more along the lines of the visiontek 9100 128 MB. Does it have 128-bit memory though???

Oh, and what about the visiontek 9200 SE 128 MB? How does it stack up to the others?

ragejg
07-16-03, 10:33 PM
yes... from what I've heard, Sapphire is the only one making 64 bit memory equipped 9100's... those r bad cardz... yuk :barf:

Nv40
07-16-03, 11:07 PM
take a look at toms review..
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/vga_card_guide-12.html

radeon 9100 =radeon8500
and the performance of a geforce3 is similar to the radeon8500.

i will pick the Fx5200 over the vanilla geforce3.
with AA/AF on/off,it perform in many benchmarks better than any ATI/Nvidia card under $100. (except the geforce4ti200).
and as a bonus you get a directx9 card to enjoy Nvidia demos. :)

RAY16
07-16-03, 11:57 PM
I read a review on the FX 5200 (with 128-Bit memory bus or something) and it ran Splinter Cell at 12FPS in 1024x768. On my GeForce 3 i get 30FPS in 1024x768 average.

Vardin
07-17-03, 06:08 AM
Thanks for all of your opinions. I've decided to start doing some benchmarks with my geforce 3 and when the 5200 shows up I'll slap it in and compare it. If it faster then it stays but if not then I'm going to sit on it untill I get some directx 9 games and see how it compares then.

I'm going to assume that the 5200 will not show much of a improvement with current games but will have an edge over the geforce 3 with directx 9 games.

Johnmcl7
07-17-03, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by TECH_PC
Now I'm having second thoughts about buying an FX 5200. I was planning on buying the new PNY FX 5200 128 MB with 128-bit memory bandwidth - PCI version. I was going to replace my Radeon 7500 64 MB PCI with it. What kind of performance boost might I get (If any)???

Sorry to Hijack but I would like to know before I spend my money ;), thanks.

This is a useful post if trying to choose between the 9100 and 5200 PCI versions:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1031972&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

John

StealthHawk
07-17-03, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by ragejg
oh, shader perf. of GF3 vs. 64bit FX5200? 16fps in nature vs 50... same score ratio for other pixel and vertex shader tests as well... I wondr what the true 5200's would do in comparison...

So the 64bit gfFX5200 got 50 fps?

I honestly have to wonder how much driver "optimizations" for the gfFX5200 affected its score though...

ragejg
07-17-03, 06:32 AM
bleh!!

The GF3 got 50!!

The FX got 16!!

oo00OOps... :rolleyes: :D

sorry about that... ;)

Grechie
07-17-03, 06:45 AM
the 64 bit version are crap trust me, i made a mistake, sold my mx440 ages ago and bought a asus geforcefx 5200, and it got 4000 3d marks were as my mx 440 got 6000 marks ! in splinter cell it chunked HEAPS no joke, the mx 440 ran heaps smooth compared to it....then i got myself a Ti4200 and dont experience any slow downs on my games :)

RAY16
07-17-03, 07:08 AM
In the 3DMark 2001SE nature test i get 55FPS in 1024x768, and 80FPS in 800x600 (max being 112FPS). BTW, here is the review i mentioned earlier in the the thread: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDkw



If you have the money, or don't mind saving up i would get a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, it can get 80FPS average in DOOM III at 1024x768 32-Bit Full detail.
Here is the article for that: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDc0


A little quote:

If you were saying to yourself that something is not right here, we would have to agree with you. It seems that ATI's latest Catalyst driver is broken when it comes to running DOOM 3.


Damn ATi and their driver problems. ATi would be so much better if they fired the driver team and hired people that know what they are doing. nVidias drivers work for a game that isn't even out yet.

Paul
07-17-03, 03:30 PM
The nVidia driver team had access to the engine beforehand. There was no reason they shouldn't have working drivers.

Hell, they even tried to get the review site to use their own demo, before iD stopped them.