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Rollo
03-22-10, 10:13 PM
and it freaking rocks. Been playing some Metro 2033 tonight, and to say I'm "excited" would be an understatement.

PhysX + DX11 in this title is a world that will amaze you, this is what immersion is about.

lee63
03-22-10, 10:16 PM
Maxed out with AA ???

methimpikehoses
03-22-10, 10:22 PM
Is the future loud and hot?

pkirby11
03-22-10, 11:05 PM
and it freaking rocks. Been playing some Metro 2033 tonight, and to say I'm "excited" would be an understatement.

PhysX + DX11 in this title is a world that will amaze you, this is what immersion is about.

You do know that physx is just a gimmick that will never take off. In fact I hope it never does just like this crap 3D television. I don't need to wear glasses that make me dizzy to watch TV! :D Okay back on topic, as for DX11 that's not really the future since ATI has been able to do it for months now, more like that's NVIDIA catching up to the future.

God I swear, I have nothing against NVIDIA but vague PR garbage from a man endorsed by NVIDIA makes me not want to buy their products. I really don't like people like you. Sorry just my opinion. What is the point of this post?! Nothing really its meaningless and stupid drivel. I was looking forward to this Friday but if you keep this up you'll make my mind up for me and I'll just go with ATI just to spite you! :D

I should go to be now I'm tired.

blurter
03-23-10, 02:01 AM
Yeah blah blah blah Rollo :thumbdwn:

The wheels have come off and the cart has crashed already man, what are you trying to do? carry the PR wagon solo or something. :thumbdwn:

Muppet
03-23-10, 03:06 AM
You do know that physx is just a gimmick that will never take off. In fact I hope it never does just like this crap 3D television. I don't need to wear glasses that make me dizzy to watch TV! :D Okay back on topic, as for DX11 that's not really the future since ATI has been able to do it for months now, more like that's NVIDIA catching up to the future.

God I swear, I have nothing against NVIDIA but vague PR garbage from a man endorsed by NVIDIA makes me not want to buy their products. I really don't like people like you. Sorry just my opinion. What is the point of this post?! Nothing really its meaningless and stupid drivel. I was looking forward to this Friday but if you keep this up you'll make my mind up for me and I'll just go with ATI just to spite you! :D

I should go to be now I'm tired.

Why so negative.

As for 3D being rubbish. It isn't and not by any stretch of the imagination. Just because you may have never seen it or are interested in it, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people who are. I tell you this. There is no better gaming immersion than 3D period. Honestly, you really do feel as if you are a part of the world. 2D gaming, just doesn't compare.

As for DX11 comment, it is the future. ATM there are only a couple of games that support it. And even then there won't be full support until such time as consoles are able to do it.

Don't be so negative and perk up for goodness sakes. (nana2)

Rollo
03-23-10, 06:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt8DEEEMTHw

Se for yourselves, PhysX is no "gimmick". It adds a lot to the level of immersion while playing the game, and only NVIDIA DX11 card owners will get the full experience of this game.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/metro2033thelastrefuge/review.html
Game critics agree with me that it's a lot of fun.

This what I mean when I say ATi users lock themselves out of what high end gaming has become- you get no PhysX, and this game is optomised for 3D Vision as well.

This stuff transcends brand loyalty IMO- buying an ATi card now is just too limiting. ATi is doing nothing to advance the computer gaming experience.

onmikesline
03-23-10, 06:06 AM
metropcs

guy_uoft
03-23-10, 06:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt8DEEEMTHw

Se for yourselves, PhysX is no "gimmick". It adds a lot to the level of immersion while playing the game, and only NVIDIA DX11 card owners will get the full experience of this game.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/metro2033thelastrefuge/review.html
Game critics agree with me that it's a lot of fun.

This what I mean when I say ATi users lock themselves out of what high end gaming has become- you get no PhysX, and this game is optomised for 3D Vision as well.

This stuff transcends brand loyalty IMO- buying an ATi card now is just too limiting. ATi is doing nothing to advance the computer gaming experience.


LOL, you're pathetic, stop, just stop.

JH24
03-23-10, 06:17 AM
and it freaking rocks. Been playing some Metro 2033 tonight, and to say I'm "excited" would be an understatement.

PhysX + DX11 in this title is a world that will amaze you, this is what immersion is about.



I haven't played Metro 2033 yet, but I'm definitely interested. I might pick it up soon after I finish my Project at work later this week.



Rollo, you aren't playing this game on a shiny new 4x0 GTX card, are you? :)

PeterJensen
03-23-10, 06:36 AM
Info please? :D

Rollo
03-23-10, 06:44 AM
I haven't played Metro 2033 yet, but I'm definitely interested. I might pick it up soon after I finish my Project at work later this week.



Rollo, you aren't playing this game on a shiny new 4x0 GTX card, are you? :)

Can't comment on the rig....seem to have a strange mental block.......

I could be playing on a 5870 with a 9800GT for PhysX and hacked drivers.....but I can't recall what I put in the box last week exactly.....

;)

Toss3
03-23-10, 07:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt8DEEEMTHw

Se for yourselves, PhysX is no "gimmick". It adds a lot to the level of immersion while playing the game, and only NVIDIA DX11 card owners will get the full experience of this game.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/metro2033thelastrefuge/review.html
Game critics agree with me that it's a lot of fun.

This what I mean when I say ATi users lock themselves out of what high end gaming has become- you get no PhysX, and this game is optomised for 3D Vision as well.

This stuff transcends brand loyalty IMO- buying an ATi card now is just too limiting. ATi is doing nothing to advance the computer gaming experience.


PhysX is a gimmick. If nvidia was serious about "advancing the gaming experience" they would make it work on all cards so that developers wouldn't have to use it only for minor effects that could be run on any physics engine 10 years ago(or at least let us with ATI cards use a separate PhysX card as well). Mirror's Edge is a perfect example of this. That Metro 2033 video is pathetic as well. Oh and guess what? They've limited the code they've written for PhysX games so that it only runs on one core when using the software version. When properly utilized PhysX runs perfectly on a CPU as well as shown here (http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fluidmark_graph.jpg). Only when running a separate card for PhysX does it outperform the CPU+GPU setup, but that nvidia has kindly chosen not to mention on the box of their graphics-cards.

3DVision is a great feature however. Wish there were better monitors out for it though(3D TVs coming this year).

Razor1
03-23-10, 07:15 AM
PhysX is a gimmick. If nvidia was serious about "advancing the gaming experience" they would make it work on all cards so that developers wouldn't have to use it only for minor effects that could be run on any physics engine 10 years ago(or at least let us with ATI cards use a separate PhysX card as well). Mirror's Edge is a perfect example of this. That Metro 2033 video is pathetic as well. Oh and guess what? They've limited the code they've written for PhysX games so that it only runs on one core when using the software version. When properly utilized PhysX runs perfectly on a CPU as well as shown here (http://physxinfo.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/fluidmark_graph.jpg). Only when running a separate card for PhysX does it outperform the CPU+GPU setup, but that nvidia has kindly chosen not to mention on the box of their graphics-cards.

3DVision is a great feature however. Wish there were better monitors out for it though(3D TVs coming this year).

Hey nV owns physX, they can tell ATi to f*ck it if they want to, and that's what they did, so don't go trying to justify your stance by not understanding business tactics. ATi lacks physics on their cards, and at the moment physX has the marketshare lead.

K007
03-23-10, 07:21 AM
wow flame bait thread lol...thread should belong in the offtopic or rumorville or just be locked

Xion X2
03-23-10, 07:22 AM
Although the original post I thought was pretty innocent, I can't help but say this.

PhysX was and still is a gimmick. The only game that I have ever seen a significant difference in was Mirror's Edge where you walk through the plastic drapes in the warehouse.

There's hardly any difference in PhysX/non-PhysX in that metro video. Oh wow.. you mean my smoke cloud radius is enlarged by half an inch. Cool. And three more metal shards fall to the ground after I shoot a wall. Extra cool.

If you want to see games with really good physics effects then check out the new Battlefield BC or Ghostbusters. Both of those are incredible and stomp Metro's physics into the ground, and both are CPU-based physics--proving that it doesn't take a GPU to render great physics effects.

3D I won't speak for, because I have yet to try it, and it does sound cool. But I'm reluctant to try it until prices on TVs come down, and I also don't like that, up until recently, it's been proprietary. That will always hold new tech back.

Toss3
03-23-10, 07:36 AM
Hey nV owns physX, they can tell ATi to f*ck it if they want to, and that's what they did, so don't go trying to justify your stance by not understanding business tactics. ATi lacks physics on their cards, and at the moment physX has the marketshare lead.

This is exactly my point - it's only being used for marketing and not for "advancing pc gaming" as Rollo put it. Nvidia only cares about the logo they can put on the box. This is also the reason why PhysX should mean jack to customers.

PhysX marketshare lead? Since when?(Note that I'm talking about GPU-assisted PhysX.) Havoc is still the norm in pc-gaming today.

Wish nvidia had never bought Ageia... :thumbdwn:

K007: As long as people don't resort to name calling a thread like this can be fun! :)

Iruwen
03-23-10, 07:55 AM
Is the future loud and hot?

That might (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.chiphell.com%2Fviewthread.php%3 Ftid%3D76993%26rpid%3D1489080%26ordertype%3D0%26pa ge%3D1%23pid1489080&sl=zh-CN&tl=en) be possible (http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1411393&postcount=4474).

I don't believe that though, going 50W above the TDP under normal load (not Furmark) would be extremely bad.

/e: ...and of course impossible. This simply isn't true or wasn't translated properly.

Razor1
03-23-10, 08:42 AM
This is exactly my point - it's only being used for marketing and not for "advancing pc gaming" as Rollo put it. Nvidia only cares about the logo they can put on the box. This is also the reason why PhysX should mean jack to customers.

PhysX marketshare lead? Since when?(Note that I'm talking about GPU-assisted PhysX.) Havoc is still the norm in pc-gaming today.

Wish nvidia had never bought Ageia... :thumbdwn:

K007: As long as people don't resort to name calling a thread like this can be fun! :)

Have you seen the marketshare trends?

http://physxinfo.com/articles/?page_id=154

I suggest you do your research.....

PhysX has exploded in marketshare since nV bought out Ageia.

Toss3
03-23-10, 09:59 AM
Have you seen the marketshare trends?

http://physxinfo.com/articles/?page_id=154

I suggest you do your research.....

PhysX has exploded in marketshare since nV bought out Ageia.

We were talking about PC-gaming and that list includes console games. Besides only a handful of those titles actually have gpu-assisted PhysX.

Razor1
03-23-10, 10:05 AM
http://physxinfo.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/platform_distribution_graph.jpg

yeah there is a various platform uptake chart there too ;)

Without consoles in the mix, phsyX has more then a two fold advantage over Havok.

If you want GPU only physics, why even have this discussion, because is there any game that isn't using PhysX for gpu accellerated physX?

weevil
03-23-10, 10:05 AM
PhysX was and still is a gimmick

You may think that if you know absolutely nothing about APIs

You might as well say that correct physics in gaming is a gimmick. But I hope you won't compound your error :)

Sazar
03-23-10, 10:09 AM
Have you seen the marketshare trends?

http://physxinfo.com/articles/?page_id=154

I suggest you do your research.....

PhysX has exploded in marketshare since nV bought out Ageia.

Yah, those market trends.

http://physxinfo.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/titles_rating_graph.jpg

Sazar
03-23-10, 10:12 AM
http://physxinfo.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/platform_distribution_graph.jpg

yeah there is a various platform uptake chart there too ;)

Without consoles in the mix, phsyX has more then a two fold advantage over Havok.

If you want GPU only physics, why even have this discussion, because is there any game that isn't using PhysX for gpu accellerated physX?

Crap games with implementation doesn't mean jack.

Havok still has a lead in tier 1 titles. Heck, per the graphs on the site you linked, it has the lead in the top 3 tiers while PhysX dominates in the bargain basement titles that likely see few installs.

weevil
03-23-10, 10:18 AM
nV bought out Ageia

3dfx team's on board too

It was headquartered in San Jose, California until, on the verge of bankruptcy, many of its intellectual assets (and many employees) were acquired by its rival, Nvidia

Which is why we're in this forum not the other one, Aegia plus 3dfx, heady brew :)