ATI HD 5830 OC'ed often performs @ 5850 level

[ragejg]

Reviews I've read show that this card (which I'm fairly certain will hit the $200 mark soon despite what others may think) often overclocks to 5850-like performance. :)

Overclockersclub: 1010/1270
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5830/6.htm

Techspot: 900/1300
http://www.techspot.com/review/249-ati-radeon-hd-5830/page10.html

Guru3d: 940/1341
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/26


Hey, IMO for $200-$240, to get this level of performance makes this even at this point a great bang-for-the-buck video card.

In many ways this is similar to the 6800 Vanilla, HD 3850 and other lower-tier enthusiast-grade cards that at stock speeds have performance near or just above the highest-end mainstream cards... but once the clocks are put where they SHOULD be, it's a different story.

And furthermore, how will nvidia answer this?

[Toss3]

Reviews I've read show that this card (which I'm fairly certain will hit the $200 mark soon despite what others may think) often overclocks to 5850-like performance. :)

Overclockersclub: 1010/1270
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5830/6.htm

Techspot: 900/1300
http://www.techspot.com/review/249-ati-radeon-hd-5830/page10.html

Guru3d: 940/1341
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-5830-review/26


Hey, IMO for $200-$240, to get this level of performance makes this even at this point a great bang-for-the-buck video card.

In many ways this is similar to the 6800 Vanilla, HD 3850 and other lower-tier enthusiast-grade cards that at stock speeds have performance near or just above the highest-end mainstream cards... but once the clocks are put where they SHOULD be, it's a different story.

And furthermore, how will nvidia answer this?

Don't really think it counts unless it runs as well at the same clockspeeds. Not fair to compare an overclocked card to one running at stock clocks. The 5850 is much more akin to the 5870 than what the 5830 is to the 5850. The 5850 is seriously underclocked due to its close performance to the 5870 at the same clocks so keeping it at stock should be considered a crime. :)

[ragejg]

Don't really think it counts?


I bought a GF3 ti200 and was happy that I got GF3 vanilla-ti500 performance out of it.
I bought a GF4 ti4200 and was happy that I got ti4400-ti4600 performance out of it.
6200 --> Unlocked --> 6600
6800 Vanilla --> 6800GT
7800GS --> 7900
HD 3850 --> HD 3870

It for sure counts when you get something that can perform at the level of something higher-tier.

[Toss3]

Don't really think it counts?


I bought a GF3 ti200 and was happy that I got GF3 vanilla-ti500 performance out of it.
I bought a GF4 ti4200 and was happy that I got ti4400-ti4600 performance out of it.
6200 --> Unclocked --> 6600
6800 Vanilla --> 6800GT
7800GS --> 7900
HD 3850 --> HD 3870

It for sure counts when you get something that can perform at the level of something higher-tier.
Well that's great, but you're not really getting the same performance, as the 5850 could also be overclocked to higher speeds. It's like saying that a q9550 is faster than a 920 because it gets better scores in benchmarks when it is overclocked to 4Ghz and the latter is kept at stock speeds. See the difference? It's only when running them at the same clocks you notice the difference and see that the 920 is far more efficient.

[ragejg]

Most people don't overclock.

I don't want to be splitting hairs with you, Toss. The fact that a 5850 in turn can be overclocked is a moot point that doesn't have much to do with this thread.

At the base of this, my point is that this IS a better card than the initial knee-jerk reactions indicate.

[Toss3]

Most people don't overclock.

I don't want to be splitting hairs with you, Toss. The fact that a 5850 in turn can be overclocked is a moot point that doesn't have much to do with this thread.

At the base of this, my point is that this IS a better card than the initial knee-jerk reactions indicate.

I'm not saying that the 5830 is a bad card by any means, but this way of thinking is only fooling yourself. I know a lot of people think this way, but the bottom line is that the 5830 is slower than a 5850 and a 5850 is slower than a 5870. You always get what you pay for. :)

[Maverick123w]

Right, but if you are aiming for 5850 stock performance and you can get it from a card that is $50+ cheaper....

If this card drops to $199 I may have to get it over a 5850.

[Toss3]

Right, but if you are aiming for 5850 stock performance and you can get it from a card that is $50+ cheaper....

If this card drops to $199 I may have to get it over a 5850.

Why not get a 5770 and overclock that instead? It would save you more than 50$ and almost perform at the same level.

[Johnny C]

5850 overclocked is about the same performance as the 5870 so it's pretty much the same idea there...

[Toss3]

5850 overclocked is about the same performance as the 5870 so it's pretty much the same idea there...

No it's not. As I said it's all about efficiency at the same clocks. A 5850 comes within a 3% margin of the 5870 at the same clocks while the 5830 is around 15% slower than a 5850 using the same method. The 5850 also overclocks to the same maximum levels as the 5870 and is able to keep up in performance. My overclocked 5850 lagged a whole 0.4 fps behind blacklash's oc'd 5870 in unigine 2.0(his 5870 was clocked a bit higher at 1030|1300). The same cannot be said for the 5830. The 5770 is also not as fast as a 5830 even though it outperforms the latter when overclocked to its maximum.

[ragejg]

Why not get a 5770 and overclock that instead? It would save you more than 50$ and almost perform at the same level.

because some of us don't want to buy our first 128 bit memory interface card since 5700U/6600. :p

[Maverick123w]

Why not get a 5770 and overclock that instead? It would save you more than 50$ and almost perform at the same level.

An oc'd 5770 performs close to a 5850??

[ragejg]

An oc'd 5770 performs close to a 5850??

Yeah. Close, but not as close as 5830. 256 bit memory interface FTW.

[grey_1]

The 5830 also has half the ROPs and 16 (I think) fewer texture units than the 5850. With today's games I think that would haunt you sooner or later.

That said - my brother grabbed a 5750 a short while ago and I have to say I'm impressed by it's performance, so the 5770 and 5830, i would imagine, would also provide that bang for the buck.

Personally I'd rather spend the extra $60-$80 for the 5850 due to the points I mentioned above.

[ragejg]

FWIW:

L4D @ 19x12, max qual, 4x/16x:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=39897&stc=1&d=1269709349

Batman AA @ 19x12, HQ, AO off, Physx off:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=39898&stc=1&d=1269709349

Crysis Warhead @ 19x12, Enthusiast preset, 2xAA:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=39899&stc=1&d=1269709349

Stalker Call of Prippy-At @ 25x16, 0x/0x:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=39900&stc=1&d=1269709349

3dMark Vantage @ 25x16, 0x/0x:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=39901&stc=1&d=1269709349

There are a few instances where a 5770 can outpace the 5830, yes, but for the most part this is an accurate representation of the capability of this card.

[Blacklash]

I'd definitely go with OCed 5850s over anything out there if I was building from zero right now.

I know folks hitting 950-1k on the core with them using MSI's Afterburner.

The 5830 isn't a bad card by any means and I'd want the edge offered by the 5850.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=937&pageid=7

@ Around 878 on the core you're matching or passing a stock HD 5870 in performance.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5850_performance_preview/page19.asp

Two of those in Crossfire would set you back about 560-600usd right now if you snagged them off of newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=hd%205850&bop=And&Order=PRICE

I think 5830 Crossfire would be about 480.

[Johnny C]

I'd definitely go with OCed 5850s over anything out there if I was building from zero right now.

I know folks hitting 950-1k on the core with them using MSI's Afterburner.

The 5830 isn't a bad card by any means and I'd want the edge offered by the 5850.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=937&pageid=7

@ Around 878 on the core you're matching or passing a stock HD 5870 in performance.

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5850_performance_preview/page19.asp

Two of those in Crossfire would set you back about 560-600usd right now if you snagged them off of newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=hd%205850&bop=And&Order=PRICE

I think 5830 Crossfire would be about 480.

Good summary, and info :)

[ViN86]

Don't really think it counts unless it runs as well at the same clockspeeds. Not fair to compare an overclocked card to one running at stock clocks. The 5850 is much more akin to the 5870 than what the 5830 is to the 5850. The 5850 is seriously underclocked due to its close performance to the 5870 at the same clocks so keeping it at stock should be considered a crime. :)

It is for people on a budget. If you can't afford a 5850, OC'ing a 5830 is a viable option.

[lee63]

Anyone know if the Powercolor HD5870 PCS+ have unlocked bios ?

[Toss3]

Anyone know if the Powercolor HD5870 PCS+ have unlocked bios ?

Does it matter? :) You could always just back up the original and flash an unlocked one. It's very easy and takes about two minutes.

[Johnny C]

It is for people on a budget. If you can't afford a 5850, OC'ing a 5830 is a viable option.

5850 is definitely the gravy zone right now for GPU's....

[ragejg]

So with the 5830 being capable of what it's capable of, it is less of a mainstream card and more of an enthusiast grade? I'm wondering what nvidia's going to aim for in their sub 470/480 cards...

[grey_1]

So with the 5830 being capable of what it's capable of, it is less of a mainstream card and more of an enthusiast grade? I'm wondering what nvidia's going to aim for in their sub 470/480 cards...

Just my humble opinion of course, but I would call it an enthusiast card. I just think it belongs a bit closer to the $200USD niche than the $230-250 I regularly see it at.

Personal preference plays a big role too, as I rarely OC a gfx card. I would rather pay a bit more for better performance at stock speeds. but that's just me.

[Redeemed]

Just my humble opinion of course, but I would call it an enthusiast card. I just think it belongs a bit closer to the $200USD niche than the $230-250 I regularly see it at.

Personal preference plays a big role too, as I rarely OC a gfx card. I would rather pay a bit more for better performance at stock speeds. but that's just me.

+1

Can't recall the last time I oc'd any video card of mine... I think it was a 6800GT that I threw a dual-slot after-market cooler on. :lol:

I'm bouncing back and forth on what I want to get to replace my 8800GTXs; the GTX4xx series is out of the question so I've been eyeing everything from the 5750 up to the 5870. :lol: Can't buy anything now though so I'm just gonna' wait and see what prices do once Fermi is more widely available. If rumors crop up about an ATi refresh I'll wait for that, or their next gen parts. I'm not in that big of a hurry since these 8800s play everything just fine. :)

[ragejg]

redeemed youll definitely want to oc that 3850 if you end up gaming with it. it's a bit of a slouch at stock speeds, but at its sweet spot (726/1025 i think) it's a different animal altogether. :)