Terminator question

[SocketAzzWipe]

Need input on this.

In T1, the T800 is sent back to kill Sarah Connor and her future born son, John. Reese, who is sent back in time to save Sarah Connor turns out to be the father of John Connor. Now if the machines never sent the T800 back in time, JC wouldn't have existed. Here lies the question - who the hell is JC's father before the machines send the T800 back in time? :mad:

[Serath]

It's still Reese... there's a time overlap I guess you could say.
she met reese when he came back in time, they did it, john boy was born later, then on down the road, reese is born, goes back in time, and humps john's mother before john was ever a twinkle in Sarah's eye.

[joltcola]

Originally posted by Serath
It's still Reese... there's a time overlap I guess you could say.

Well.. what I don't get is this...

They send a terminator back through time, because they wish to get the upperhand in a war which they are slowly losing. Or at least the tide is starting to turn. ( if I remember correctly, i haven't seen the first two in a long time and haven't seen the 3rd ). So, they have targeted the leader of the resistance, john conner. Im assuming since they have trouble finding records of John Conner before the machines strike, they target John's mother before john is born.

Okay... understood.. makes sense.

The resistance, in order to protect their leader, sends Reese to guard his mother. During all the action, miss conner gets nailed, and wham. John is on his way in about 9 months.

We all understand this. What isn't clear to me, and I guess SocketAzzWipe ( nice name )too , is this.

In order for the machines to have a reason to send a terminator back through time to assasinate Sarah, Sarah needs to be the mother of the leader of resistance. If Reese isn't present in the original timeline, then John isn't born and the machines have no reason to send someone back to kill anyone. Or at least not Sarah, since the leader of the resistance has to be someone else.

The only way this seems to work in my mind, is the fact that the original father of John is replaced by Reese, but John, was the son of another man, in order to kick start the timeline that we see in the movie.

So .. thats the confusion for me. I might of missed some important info. As I said.. haven't seen the movie in awhile.

-- jolt

[SocketAzzWipe]

Originally posted by Serath
It's still Reese... there's a time overlap I guess you could say.
she met reese when he came back in time, they did it, john boy was born later, then on down the road, reese is born, goes back in time, and humps john's mother before john was ever a twinkle in Sarah's eye.

This doesn't make sense....Reese goes back in time twice? I don't know about that.

[SocketAzzWipe]

Originally posted by joltcola
Well.. what I don't get is this...

They send a terminator back through time, because they wish to get the upperhand in a war which they are slowly losing. Or at least the tide is starting to turn. ( if I remember correctly, i haven't seen the first two in a long time and haven't seen the 3rd ). So, they have targeted the leader of the resistance, john conner. Im assuming since they have trouble finding records of John Conner before the machines strike, they target John's mother before john is born.

Okay... understood.. makes sense.

The resistance, in order to protect their leader, sends Reese to guard his mother. During all the action, miss conner gets nailed, and wham. John is on his way in about 9 months.

We all understand this. What isn't clear to me, and I guess SocketAzzWipe ( nice name )too , is this.

In order for the machines to have a reason to send a terminator back through time to assasinate Sarah, Sarah needs to be the mother of the leader of resistance. If Reese isn't present in the original timeline, then John isn't born and the machines have no reason to send someone back to kill anyone. Or at least not Sarah, since the leader of the resistance has to be someone else.

The only way this seems to work in my mind, is the fact that the original father of John is replaced by Reese, but John, was the son of another man, in order to kick start the timeline that we see in the movie.

So .. thats the confusion for me. I might of missed some important info. As I said.. haven't seen the movie in awhile.

-- jolt

This is what I think too...it's kinda bizzare. Two different fathers but the son is bound to lead the resistance in either scenerio. So does this mean the entire "Terminator" story is trying to portray the fact that we have no control of our future...and that whatever is going to happen is set in stone?

[St Lobus]

Now, keep in mind, I've only seen T2 and T3, so this is just a total guess, completely left field.

What if Sarah Conner was seeing someone, but wasn't shown or mentioned in the movie because it wasn't totally relevant. Now, what if just before, like a day or two before, Reese and the Terminator get to her, she was nailed by this other guy. 9 months later, John is born, and we all assume the father is Reese, but in fact, it's her previous date's.

Now like I said, completely off the top of my head, haven't seen the first one. I don't recall them saying John was Reese's son in the second, but I should probably rewatch it anyways.

Now please, rip my theory apart. :)

[Serath]

But you're missing one thing which is what makes time travel so confusing. If Reese was killed before he could go back in time, john wouldn't be born, meaning the resistance wouldn't be led by him, which would prevent reese from coming back in the first place.
SO...

"Und zat, ladiez und gentlemen, iz vat you call... a paradox"

[Sazar]

sarah conor is the constant.. her son will be the one to lead the rebels v/s the machines... kyle reese is a variable... so long as sarah lives and her offspring survives... the machines will fall in the future... that is the timeline effectively...

as is explained in the 3rd part... the future is not set... but there are some things which seemingly can only be delayed.. not competely stopped/changed...

certain events will take place...

therefore in answer to the question... jc's dad is a variable... it coulda been anyone... it just happens to be kyle reese... understand of course that if kyle reese arrives in the past... he would have had to have been around the same age as jc going by terminator (the original) :)

[The Baron]

Time paradoxes don't work because of parallel universes.

It certainly makes things cleaner... ;)