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It's time for more Inquirer speculation (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10601) - This time about the NV40.
It all seemed fairly standard until they mentionned that an 8x2 configuration isn't likely, since it won't offer enough of a performance jump over the competition. They suggest something like 12x1 or 12x2 is more likely, which is frankly news to me. I'd be pretty suprised if they went with this, but it would be nice to see.
I would also have thought that 200million transistors was a little too high, but it's believeable. That, coupled with the DDR2 memory they suggest, should prove interesting on the heat front :smoking:
Thoughts?
sancheuz
07-22-03, 10:46 AM
Hey we must admit inquirer was right in SOME thing on nv30 and nv35, so they must have some kind of source tipping them. I wont fully trust them, but i'll keep thos specs in mind.
The Baron
07-22-03, 12:20 PM
If it uses low-K, I don't think heat will be too big of an issue compared to current cards.
GlowStick
07-22-03, 12:39 PM
I thought IBM's claim to fame was SoI, thats what they boast about on their new mac chips. I think the only thing they are speculating good is it will unfortunly have a Geforce name : (
when they need to bring back, TnT 3!!!! muhahaha.
Low-K isn't happening with the NV40, AFAIK.
The Baron
07-22-03, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Paul
Low-K isn't happening with the NV40, AFAIK.
Whoops, I meant SOI. That would probably prevent the heat problems and such (and if it actually worked at TSMC, NV30 would have kicked ass... faster, cooler, quieter).
Originally posted by Paul
They suggest something like 12x1...
Now that sounds interesting, considering the origins of NV30. Of course it won't be XXx1 in the conventional sense, but I wouldn't expect that from any of the next generation architectures.
MuFu.
ONes things for sure 16xX will never happen as it would take up a massive amount of die space.
StealthHawk
07-22-03, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by sancheuz
Hey we must admit inquirer was right in SOME thing on nv30 and nv35, so they must have some kind of source tipping them. I wont fully trust them, but i'll keep thos specs in mind.
The Inquirer steals a lot of its information from forums like B3D(which usually happens to have correct information).
Hell, they even ripped some stuff from nV News without crediting us.
Hellbinder
07-24-03, 06:59 PM
Whatever Nv40 is...
My 9600pro gets 25.11 FPS in Gunmetal benchmark 02 with 2x FSAA.... Thus I *expect* based on my knowledge that Loki will get 100.44 FPS in the same test...(Generalizing) whereas a Radeon 9800pro gets 37 FPS.
Ill leave y'all with that little nugget. ;)
darkmiasma
07-24-03, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Whatever Nv40 is...
My 9600pro gets 25.11 FPS in Gunmetal benchmark 02 with 2x FSAA.... Thus I *expect* based on my knowledge that Loki will get 100.44 FPS in the same test...(Generalizing) whereas a Radeon 9800pro gets 37 FPS.
Ill leave y'all with that little nugget. ;)
What happened to your 9700Pro?
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Whatever Nv40 is...
My 9600pro gets 25.11 FPS in Gunmetal benchmark 02 with 2x FSAA.... Thus I *expect* based on my knowledge that Loki will get 100.44 FPS in the same test...(Generalizing) whereas a Radeon 9800pro gets 37 FPS.
Ill leave y'all with that little nugget. ;)
Probably, possible, yes. Although I bet you'd need a new CPU for that too, wouldn't you? Hehe.
Uttar
Geforce4ti4200
07-25-03, 08:32 AM
12x1? is it possible to put odd numbers of pipelines, its not a power of two meaning 1,2,4,8,16,32,64 ever noticed all video cards must have ram like that? There is a way to break that but only the voodoo2 12mb did that, Nvidia had plans for 96mb cards but appearently went strait to 128mb
Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
12x1? is it possible to put odd numbers of pipelines, its not a power of two...
"1" is a power of two and I that's all that really matters with these newer, more distributed processors.
MuFu.
Brick_Top
07-25-03, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Whatever Nv40 is...
My 9600pro gets 25.11 FPS in Gunmetal benchmark 02 with 2x FSAA.... Thus I *expect* based on my knowledge that Loki will get 100.44 FPS in the same test...(Generalizing) whereas a Radeon 9800pro gets 37 FPS.
Ill leave y'all with that little nugget. ;)
Does that mean Ati is hiring some nvidia Driver cheating professionals or loki is that good?
How do you have such precise numbers?
Originally posted by Hellbinder
Whatever Nv40 is...
My 9600pro gets 25.11 FPS in Gunmetal benchmark 02 with 2x FSAA.... Thus I *expect* based on my knowledge that Loki will get 100.44 FPS in the same test...(Generalizing) whereas a Radeon 9800pro gets 37 FPS.
Ill leave y'all with that little nugget. ;)
:bs:
Brick_Top
07-25-03, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
:bs:
Maybe itīs not. But i would like to know in what processor was that test made.
Hellbinder. would there be any derivatives from loki? if thatīs not some kind of nv30 hype thing can we hope for a cheap card with like the 9800 pro performance?
Mufu. what do you think of Hellbinderīs post?
To get 3 times the framerate, you'd need about 4 - 5 times the gpu power, to achieve that on equal cpu/mobo/memory.
Utter bollocks.
Brick_Top
07-25-03, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
To get 3 times the framerate, you'd need about 4 - 5 times the gpu power, to achieve that on equal cpu/mobo/memory.
Utter bollocks.
Is that so impossible to get? the 9700 got almost that in certain conditions agains the ti4600 didn't it?
Only when FSAA and AF is turned on. The GF4 loses a TMU with AF on anyway, and simply doesn' t have the bandwidth to compete with the 9700 in AA due to its 128bit bus.
I doubt very much Loki will move to a 512bit bus, so its only speedups come from clock speed increments, extra transistors/more pipes, new features(unlikely). Its not gonna be that revolutionary. Perhaps 2x performance at best.
Brick_Top
07-25-03, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Nutty
Only when FSAA and AF is turned on. The GF4 loses a TMU with AF on anyway, and simply doesn' t have the bandwidth to compete with the 9700 in AA due to its 128bit bus.
I doubt very much Loki will move to a 512bit bus, so its only speedups come from clock speed increments, extra transistors/more pipes, new features(unlikely). Its not gonna be that revolutionary. Perhaps 2x performance at best.
I guess only time will tell
I was talking about HellBinder's post (along with other things) with a couple of people last night, and the general consensus is that the performance seems out of line with all current predictions. That, coupled with the fact that you'd almost certainly need a better CPU to get close to that FPS, makes the whole thing more than a little optimistic.
IMHO, of course.
GlowStick
07-25-03, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Brick_Top
Does that mean Ati is hiring some nvidia Driver cheating professionals or loki is that good?
How do you have such precise numbers?
The precise numbers are easy. He just multiplyed by 4 his 9600pro score. EG, he is saying he has some info that loki will be about 4x the speed of a 9600pro.
Meanwhile?
Were those tests ran on a 6ghz intel yamhill with 512k L1 and 3mb l2 cach ala S3 and Delta Chrome?:nana: :nana:
Brick_Top
07-25-03, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by GlowStick
The precise numbers are easy. He just multiplyed by 4 his 9600pro score. EG, he is saying he has some info that loki will be about 4x the speed of a 9600pro.
Meanwhile?
Were those tests ran on a 6ghz intel yamhill with 512k L1 and 3mb l2 cach ala S3 and Delta Chrome?:nana: :nana:
I donīt know what to think. but Ati sure deserves some credit after the 9700pro
but 4x is little hard to believe
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