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MUYA
07-12-10, 01:15 AM
The GF104 performance marchitecture based cards are officially launched as NDAs have expired!

we have had a few peeks from some websites but here is the real deal. The first reviews are out.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=152967
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-review/
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/07/12/nvidia_geforce_gtx_460_review
http://pcper.com/article.php?aid=954
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-460-Debut-ZOTAC-EVGA/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25391
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-gf104-fermi,2684.html
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=558&Itemid=72

List all them reviews here folks and discuss! :)

MUYA
07-12-10, 01:23 AM
The biggest and most visible change is that NVIDIA beefed up the number of various execution units per SM. The 32 CUDA cores from GF100 are now 48 CUDA cores, while the number of SFUs went from 4 to 8 along with the texture units. As a result, per SM GF104 has more compute and more texturing power than a GF100 SM. This is how a “full” GF104 GPU has 384 CUDA cores even though it only has half the number of SMs as GF100

One of the changes of the marchitecture from GF100 to GF104 is defined as stated above in Anandtech's review. Seemingly more theoretical compute and texturing throughput on the GF104 vs GF100.

ragejg
07-12-10, 01:41 AM
Stay tuned for an NV News review of a GF104 part as well. :) It'll probably be published late morning/early afternoon.

JasonPC
07-12-10, 02:21 AM
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-gf104-fermi,2684.html

Tomshardware gave it a favorable review. The temps are also very impressive on this card. Performance is kind of all over the place, sometimes it doesn't measure up to the 465 other times it's better. But it should overclock better than a 465. It has a lot of pros over the HD 5830 that's for sure. I'm glad this a move in the right direction for the fermi architecture.

KasuCode
07-12-10, 03:28 AM
I am very interested to see Tri-SLI with these cards.

SLI seems to scale very well with them.

Id love to put some in my other box.

MUYA
07-12-10, 03:30 AM
I think there is no option (from what I have read in reviews) for Tri SLI, only SLI :(

josiahsuarez
07-12-10, 04:48 AM
(popcorn)

Buio
07-12-10, 06:02 AM
A few more;

Firingsquad (http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_gtx_460_performance_preview/)
HardwareCanucks (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/34089-nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-1gb-gtx-460-768mb-review.html)
Hardware Heaven (http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/998/pg1/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-launch-review-introduction.html)
Legion Hardware (http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/palit_inno3d_geforce_gtx_460_review,1.html)
TechPowerUp (http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/)

tornadog
07-12-10, 09:35 AM
help me understand this. This card has better clocks, better temps and smaller size than the gtx 470. I am sure the clocks can offset the 256 RAM difference, cant it? So does it render the 470 obsolete now?

newparad1gm
07-12-10, 09:50 AM
I'll be interested to see if they can scale this tech up for the next refresh and give us a single GPU GF104-based high end card like a GTX 485. I'm hoping for something better than what NVIDIA did with G92, which was going from a slightly crippled 112-core 8800 GT to a full fledged 128-core 9800 GTX.

newparad1gm
07-12-10, 09:52 AM
help me understand this. This card has better clocks, better temps and smaller size than the gtx 470. I am sure the clocks can offset the 256 RAM difference, cant it? So does it render the 470 obsolete now?

It does not match up in the pure processing department. The 470 has 442 SP's while the 460 still just has 336. You would be comparing it against the 465 instead, which has 352 SP's but lower clocks. The 470 is still firmly a more powerful card.

KasuCode
07-12-10, 10:47 AM
I think there is no option (from what I have read in reviews) for Tri SLI, only SLI :(

Allot of the refrence models only have 1 SLI connector/pins but allot of the other brands like this EVGA has two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562

Edit: wait they are showing a picture of a 285 lol nevermind then. thats why I thought it was Tri-SLI because I seen that picture with two connectors.

newparad1gm
07-12-10, 10:50 AM
Allot of the refrence models only have 1 SLI connector/pins but allot of the other brands like this EVGA has two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562


I wonder if the review said no option just because it had only 1 set of pins.

Lol thats the wrong image on that page for the GTX 460. What you see there is actually a GTX 285 Classified. Note the three 6-pin power connectors on the card (as well as the fact that it says GTX 285 on the front). Dunno why Newegg screwed this one up.

EDIT: Looks like they switched it back to the correct image of the 460, with only 1 SLI connector per card.

Kain
07-12-10, 11:18 AM
According to Anandtech's review, two GTX 260s in SLI outperform a single GTX 480 and are very close to two HD 5870s in CrossFireX. I would assume that two GTX 260s would run cooler and draw less power than a single GTX 480? Am I wrong? Regardless, running two GTX 260s in SLI seems to be an awesome sweet-spot.

HYBRID
07-12-10, 11:49 AM
This little card is impressive massive O/C cabability and SLIing these 2 cards is a good option. Less heat power draw etc.

No-----tri-sli capable here, that might be the only reason the GTX465 will stay a current product otherwise no other compelling reason for a GTX465.

The 1gb version is the best bet, Sparkle has a 2GB version soon FYI.

http://www.sparkle.com.tw/News/SP460/news_SP460_en.html

nekrosoft13
07-12-10, 01:53 PM
According to Anandtech's review, two GTX 260s in SLI outperform a single GTX 480 and are very close to two HD 5870s in CrossFireX. I would assume that two GTX 260s would run cooler and draw less power than a single GTX 480? Am I wrong? Regardless, running two GTX 260s in SLI seems to be an awesome sweet-spot.

not sure about two 260, but i can tell you that my single 480 runs cooler then a single 280.

Vardant
07-12-10, 02:12 PM
I think he meant two GTX 460 ;) Otherwise I don't get it at all.

Kain
07-12-10, 02:46 PM
Whoa, sorry about that.

Yes, I did mean two GTX 460s.

bent98
07-13-10, 10:55 AM
I want to play racing sims and FPS's with three 24" LCD's. Did any reviews come out with numbers that show what 460GTX SLI frame rates are when running triple monitors using Nvidia surround? I am dying to know how it compares to the 480GTX SLI.(http://pcper.com/article.php?aid=946) Wondering if the smaller 1GB on board memory would impact ultra high resolutions and limit this card in triple monitor setups? I mean if this card can perform at a high level for less then half the price of two GTX480ís, that would put triple screen gaming into the mainstream for sure
Nvidia is pushing the whole 3d thing hard but quite frankly not many people are going to shell out $370+ per120hz 3d monitors + Glasses + 2x video cards. I think Nvidia should put more marketing attention 2D triple monitor setups as games look and play amazing with that feature as its already better then ATI's Eye Infinity.
Any review links or personal feedback from people who have a couple of 460gtx 1GB cards is much appreciated as I am eager to see real world performance numbers.

Kain
07-13-10, 11:37 AM
So, is it safe to say that two GTX 460s in SLI are a better buy than one GTX 480?

newparad1gm
07-13-10, 01:32 PM
If you have a motherboard that supports SLI and are willing to deal with the occasional headaches that come with multi-GPU setups in the SLI profile and driver department, a GTX 460 SLI setup does look better on price, power consumption, and performance. But the GTX 460 SLI setup is a finished system, unlike a single GTX 480, where you can go SLI and Tri-SLI in the future if you really wanted to.

Eltigre88
07-26-10, 08:10 PM
What the hell is Nvidia doing? Are they trying to piss their customers off? It is obvious that this new 460 design is superior to the 470 or the 480 even. This is BS! They are going to revamp the 490's with this new technology and blow everything out of the water and I will be stuck with this big paper weight which is as good as my 8800GTX. Why the hell didn't they just wait till they perfected their design and launch then? This is crap and I can't be the only Nvidia fan that feels this way. I spent good money, that is not just laying around to spend on something that will be or is obsolete. It seems A$$ backwards that the 460 has inproved technology the the 480. I'm fedup.

WeReWoLf
07-26-10, 09:32 PM
That is the downfall of being an early adopter. You get screwed with the price, early revisions and driver problems. It's the price we pay for being enthusiasts.

jeffmd
07-26-10, 10:51 PM
So my 8800 ultra RMA arrives in 2 days, but after being without it for 4 weeks I am pretty much going to be forced to buy a new video card if I have to RMA it once more (another 2 weeks rma process). I can't plunk down anywhere near $600 that I did on the 8800, but I require a video card that is actually an upgrade from my 8800, and would actually feel like a significant performance boost from a high end 8800. Is the G460 all that?

Eltigre88
07-28-10, 04:38 PM
That is the downfall of being an early adopter. You get screwed with the price, early revisions and driver problems. It's the price we pay for being enthusiasts.
Well it really blows....