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inplayruns
08-06-10, 02:21 AM
I'm disappointed with the performance so far.

Specs:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
RAM: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 @ 1333MHz
GPU: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 460 1GB OC Edition (using 258.96)
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium x64.
PSU: Thermaltake TR2 TRX-750M 750W Modular.

Installation, etc... Went incredible smooth. Everything was going just according to plan, but then when I fired up Battlefield Bad Company 2, I was somewhat disappointed with the performance I was getting from this card (Everything HIGH, AA at x2, AF at x16, VSync ON, HBAO off @ 1600 x 900).

I mean, It's very playable don't get me wrong, but I was expecting A LOT more from this card, In fact, I was getting smoother gameplay from my old Radeon HD 5770 in this game, which is nowhere near the GTX 460 according to every single benchmark out there.

Now, Is there something I'm missing? Is there something I haven't done? like enabling or disabling settings in the NVIDIA control panel? (this is my 1st time using an NVIDIA card since the days of the Geforce TI 4600).

Please reply soon!. Thanks in advanced.

bob saget
08-06-10, 02:28 AM
not sure, but wait for the more seasoned veterans to give their thoughts.

You should be getting close to twice the fps of the 5770 if i understand correctly....

inplayruns
08-06-10, 02:40 AM
not sure, but wait for the more seasoned veterans to give their thoughts.

You should be getting close to twice the fps of the 5770 if i understand correctly....
Thanks for the quick reply.

Now, to be honest, I wasn't expecting TWICE the FPS of the 5770 since I game with VSYNC ON, but I was expecting much smoother gameplay (especially with AA enabled). In fact, according to bit-tech.net, the GTX 460's min FPS in BFBC2 is actually higher than the avg FPS of the HD 5770 (when AA is enabled) (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/07/12/nvidia-geforce-gtx-460-graphics-card-review/10)

bob saget
08-06-10, 03:27 AM
Very rarely, maybe once every 10ish or so mp rounds, I get stuttering for like a couple seconds, and then everything goes back to normal. It's a tiny issue, but I think has to do with the game.
Metro 2033 and STALKER ran great. Do you have any other games to try?

inplayruns
08-06-10, 03:30 AM
Very rarely, maybe once every 10ish or so mp rounds, I get stuttering for like a couple seconds, and then everything goes back to normal. It's a tiny issue, but I think has to do with the game.
Metro 2033 and STALKER ran great. Do you have any other games to try?
Yup.

I'm gonna try with Crysis, GTA and a couple more later on.

stncttr908
08-06-10, 09:03 AM
I ran some BC2 yesterday and I know what you mean - performance just wasn't that great. My CPU might be getting in the way though. We'll see how things go when I hook up my new 1920x1080 display.

Madpistol
08-06-10, 08:09 PM
Remember, BC2 loves Quad Cores. If you don't have one, don't expect any GPU to achieve a constant 60fps at any level.

mailman2
08-06-10, 11:13 PM
I was complaining about this before and basically everyone told me it was me making it up. Now there are threads on EVGA forums about this, Nvidia forums, BF BC2 forums. Its not the speed, its the smoothness of the gameplay experience.

Its funny how many threads have popped up about this. Oh well, I was first.

EDIT: The developer 259.09 seems to run BF BC2 better. Try them out!

ragejg
08-06-10, 11:23 PM
To put it into perspective, the HD 5770 (especially if overclocked) mostly keeps up with HD 5830 in a lot of scenarios, especially at medium resolutions and with medium amounts of AA and AF. And, HD 5830 is about equal with GTX 460 and 465 in most scenarios.

Plus you have the factor of all the "cool" reviews out there sing uber-powerful CPUs with zero CPU limitation going on, allowing the cards to run as wild as they want to. Hey that's cool but does not reflect what most people have, which is rigs more like yours. With a reasonable amount of CPU limitation (using an I5 or 4 core Phenom around 3.2, or 3-core around 3.5) these cards perform even closer, which should be a better known-fact.

You shouldn't have gone from HD 5770 to GTX 460. If you'd have gotten a 470 it'd be a different story for you. You should have researched a little deeper.

inplayruns
08-07-10, 02:06 AM
To put it into perspective, the HD 5770 (especially if overclocked) mostly keeps up with HD 5830 in a lot of scenarios, especially at medium resolutions and with medium amounts of AA and AF. And, HD 5830 is about equal with GTX 460 and 465 in most scenarios.

Plus you have the factor of all the "cool" reviews out there sing uber-powerful CPUs with zero CPU limitation going on, allowing the cards to run as wild as they want to. Hey that's cool but does not reflect what most people have, which is rigs more like yours. With a reasonable amount of CPU limitation (using an I5 or 4 core Phenom around 3.2, or 3-core around 3.5) these cards perform even closer, which should be a better known-fact.

You shouldn't have gone from HD 5770 to GTX 460. If you'd have gotten a 470 it'd be a different story for you. You should have researched a little deeper.
I see what you're saying, but It just doesn't make any sense (HD 5770 outperfoming a GTX 460).

I was getting smoother gameplay with my old HD 5770, not similar, but smoother, much smoother.

The only thing that made made the game a little more playable, was setting the DXMode to 10, which IMO is pretty lame.

And it's happening to A LOT of GTX 400 series users out there, just check the EVGA, BFBC2 forums.

EDIT: Apparently NVIDIA has reproduced the BFBC2 stutter:

Good news....or bad depending on the point of view

I finally got a repro so I am going to pass it on to our dev to look at it. I'll keep you updated on the status. It doesn't look like I will need to borrow your graphics card after all.

Link. (http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=494830#)

john19055
08-07-10, 10:24 AM
The HD5770 is a strong middle range card and the HD5770 does play other games better then the GTX 460,and the GTX 460 plays other games better then the HD5770 .To me the GTX 460 and the HD5770 are about equal in performance .The HD5770 plays some games better and other games the GTX 460 plays better.It could be a driver problem or the HD 5770 plays that game engine better.Does the GTX 460 play all of your other games alright.

jeffmd
08-07-10, 10:50 AM
From my quick searching on the hd 5770, the increase in performance is only a little, and really not worth plunking down money on. For starters, the 5770 is a dx11 card. Frankly if you bought a midrange dx11 card, you shouldn't be looking at another mid range dx11 card for maybe 2 years. Any upgrades you should consider is either to a high end card, or go SLI.

Bah!
08-07-10, 12:32 PM
You shouldn't have gone from HD 5770 to GTX 460. If you'd have gotten a 470 it'd be a different story for you. You should have researched a little deeper.

Not exactly his fault when everyone and their brother talks about the 460 like it's the second coming. People (not just reviews) built them up to be these amazing cards, but at the end of the day they are still the low end of the 400 series.

You say buy a 470, but look at the negative press that they got compared to all the gushing of the 460. I'd buy a 470 ten times out of ten over the 460, but to the average person roaming forums and reading reviews, the 460 is "the real deal", etc. I mean, you have reviewers calling them "enthusiast" cards, etc. , which they aren't, and between that and the price they look like the best thing since sliced bread.

Drolfrawd
08-07-10, 12:46 PM
Enjoy your new card bro

bob saget
08-07-10, 01:26 PM
Not exactly his fault when everyone and their brother talks about the 460 like it's the second coming. People (not just reviews) built them up to be these amazing cards, but at the end of the day they are still the low end of the 400 series.

You say buy a 470, but look at the negative press that they got compared to all the gushing of the 460. I'd buy a 470 ten times out of ten over the 460, but to the average person roaming forums and reading reviews, the 460 is "the real deal", etc. I mean, you have reviewers calling them "enthusiast" cards, etc. , which they aren't, and between that and the price they look like the best thing since sliced bread.

there are still benchmark numbers out there, and are not hard to find. you can see exactly how this card stacks up....

inplayruns
08-07-10, 03:06 PM
I'm sorry you guys, but I'm not buying this whole 'the HD 5770 is similar to a GTX 460 performance-wise' when EVERY single benchmark out there shows the GTX 460 is head and shoulders above any HD 5770 out there right now.

There's gotta be something holding this card back (drivers, etc).

Just look at the GPU usage under BFBC2:

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9968/rawrqa.jpg

And I seriously doubt it's my CPU holding it back since it stays at ~65% in CPU usage.

ragejg
08-08-10, 01:49 PM
You're "not buying it"?

lol, look man, I published official reviews of HD 5830, GTX 460 and GTX 465, and found that the 5830 generally kept up with the NV cards in most gaming benchmarks. It did get pushed around in a few games and anything with tessellation, but overall it was close in overall value.

Furthermore, pretty much the entire hardware community thinks (by way of user experiences) that the HD 5770 (especially when overclocked) is in the same performance league as the HD 5830.

I don't know why I'm having to repeat myself here, but it sounds like you're not willing to admit the overlap that exists between the high-end of the performance segment and the low end of the enthusiast segment.

It's much the same as the 6600 GT overlapping with 6800 NU, 7600GT and 7800GS, 9600GT and 8800 GTS 320.

inplayruns
08-08-10, 03:57 PM
You're "not buying it"?

lol, look man, I published official reviews of HD 5830, GTX 460 and GTX 465, and found that the 5830 generally kept up with the NV cards in most gaming benchmarks. It did get pushed around in a few games and anything with tessellation, but overall it was close in overall value.

Furthermore, pretty much the entire hardware community thinks (by way of user experiences) that the HD 5770 (especially when overclocked) is in the same performance league as the HD 5830.

I don't know why I'm having to repeat myself here, but it sounds like you're not willing to admit the overlap that exists between the high-end of the performance segment and the low end of the enthusiast segment.

It's much the same as the 6600 GT overlapping with 6800 NU, 7600GT and 7800GS, 9600GT and 8800 GTS 320.
But does it makes sense to you that I'm getting WORSE, noticeable worse performance with the GTX 460 vs the HD 5770?

It's been reported that some of the 400 series cards don't play nice with BFBC2, low GPU usage, jerkiness, some stuttering, etc... and that's exactly what I'm getting.

JasonPC
08-08-10, 04:15 PM
That's really low GPU usage something must be holding you back. Have you tried a variety of settings? No AA, more AA, Vsync off, etc?

inplayruns
08-08-10, 04:38 PM
That's really low GPU usage something must be holding you back. Have you tried a variety of settings? No AA, more AA, Vsync off, etc?
Yup.

GPU usage stays at ~50% pretty much the entire time I'm playing BFBC2.

I have tried with 32x CSAA, GPU usage goes up, but just a little.

There's gotta be something holding this card back, I just know it.

And I'm not the only one suffering from this.

JasonPC
08-08-10, 05:27 PM
On my 5870 the game stays pretty much at 90-100% the whole time and runs completely smooth. It may very well be a driver problem it seems like mailman2 was having the exact same problem with his 480. Have you reformatted since coming from the 5770?

inplayruns
08-08-10, 07:29 PM
On my 5870 the game stays pretty much at 90-100% the whole time and runs completely smooth. It may very well be a driver problem it seems like mailman2 was having the exact same problem with his 480. Have you reformatted since coming from the 5770?
Yup.

Clean install right after installing the GTX 460.

ragejg
08-08-10, 08:04 PM
Uninstall NV Stereoscopic drivers.

Snake101st
08-08-10, 08:09 PM
Uninstall NV Stereoscopic drivers.

what if you use 3d vision (I do)? Ive been having the same gpu usage issues

Eltigre88
08-08-10, 09:05 PM
Not sure what HBAO is but things run smoother with it on. I know it has something to do with shadowing. My brother was getting ****tly stuttering and I turned this on and it helped immensely. Hope it helps you too. Incidentally he is running 260GTX 1900x1060ish everything high under advanced and getting mid 40's for FPS Ave.