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Rollo
09-11-10, 05:18 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007323%20600079294&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=

I...errrr....MIGHT...know something about these cards....ummmm....

Yep, I'm thinking two of them might be a pretty powerful budget set up. It is just a hunch I have......

:D

Redeemed
09-11-10, 05:25 PM
Dang that's cheap... really making me question that recent purchase of a 5770. Need to look up reviews on 'em...

Rollo
09-11-10, 05:39 PM
Dang that's cheap... really making me question that recent purchase of a 5770. Need to look up reviews on 'em...

No reviews as yet, another hunch I have says NDA has not expired.

Check out the range of core speeds- from 780-880MHz. It would appear these little beauties have some OCing potential.

Now, as the Fermi based cards have been getting monster 90% SLi scaling, anyone else think that $270 spent here may well blow away any $270 spent on a single card? Looks to me like we have the new "bang for buck" enthusiast rig.

Redeemed
09-11-10, 06:06 PM
No reviews as yet, another hunch I have says NDA has not expired.

Check out the range of core speeds- from 780-880MHz. It would appear these little beauties have some OCing potential.

Now, as the Fermi based cards have been getting monster 90% SLi scaling, anyone else think that $270 spent here may well blow away any $270 spent on a single card? Looks to me like we have the new "bang for buck" enthusiast rig.

I also have a hunch- that you are under NDA. :lol:

won't hurt to ask though- will a single 5770 outpace the GTS450? Simple yes or no answer.

No over clocking, no SLi or CrossFire... single card only. :)

Rollo
09-11-10, 06:13 PM
I also have a hunch- that you are under NDA. :lol:

won't hurt to ask though- will a single 5770 outpace the GTS450? Simple yes or no answer.

No over clocking, no SLi or CrossFire... single card only. :)

Sorry, can't say...yet.

Redeemed
09-11-10, 06:16 PM
Sorry, can't say...yet.

Dang! :lol:

Well, so far I'm very pleased with the 5770.

Can you say when the NDA will be lifted? I mean, if I can buy a card now, what's to stop me from blabbing all over what performance I'm getting?

Ninja Prime
09-12-10, 01:55 AM
I can say, and the answer is no, your 5770 is faster. Slides have been leaked from china, NV is placing the 450 against the 5750 because it doesn't beat the 5770. Considering the 5770 is the same price as the 450 and the 5750 is cheaper, I'm not sure what the plan is, other than marketing BS.

jeffmd
09-12-10, 02:43 AM
interesting... they do seem to run kind cheap huh. Still I don't think I would run out and buy 2 for sli. Sli is quite unreliable in performance gains.. and usualy dosn't exceed a %60 increase. It's like SLI'ing 2 8300 gts cards so you could have the power of an 8600. ^^

It would be nice if they could poot one of these out at the $99 level for that family computer thats capable of running all your fav MMOs and online games.

Rollo
09-12-10, 06:51 AM
I can say, and the answer is no, your 5770 is faster. Slides have been leaked from china, NV is placing the 450 against the 5750 because it doesn't beat the 5770. Considering the 5770 is the same price as the 450 and the 5750 is cheaper, I'm not sure what the plan is, other than marketing BS.

So do the very reliable "leaked slides from China" take into account the wide range of clock speeds on these parts NP?

Or DX11 performance?

Superior SLi scaling?

Just asking. :)

ragejg
09-12-10, 06:53 AM
Embargo on GTS 450 will be lifted 12:01am tomorrow. Stay tuned. :)

ragejg
09-12-10, 06:55 AM
iSli is quite unreliable in performance gains.. and usualy dosn't exceed a %60 increase. It's like SLI'ing 2 8300 gts cards so you could have the power of an 8600. ^^


For what it's worth, GTX 465 and 460 SLI scaling averages 90-99% for today's popular titles.

Ninja Prime
09-12-10, 07:32 AM
I'm trying to figure out why they are for sale at newegg but the NDA is still in effect...?

Rollo
09-12-10, 07:35 AM
interesting... they do seem to run kind cheap huh. Still I don't think I would run out and buy 2 for sli. Sli is quite unreliable in performance gains.. and usualy dosn't exceed a %60 increase. It's like SLI'ing 2 8300 gts cards so you could have the power of an 8600. ^^

It would be nice if they could poot one of these out at the $99 level for that family computer thats capable of running all your fav MMOs and online games.

Apparently you've missed all the articles about the superior scaling with the Fermi generation parts. Allow me to assist:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694-9.html
Notice how the average scaling across the five games they tested is close to 100%?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-sli-geforce-gtx-480,2694-11.html
Because SLI scales so well, giving two GeForce GTX 460 1GB graphics cards a 90% performance boost over a single card, the value for two cards together is very similar to what earned the single GeForce GTX 460 1GB its previous Recommended Buy award.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/17/geforce_gtx_460_sli_vs_radeon_hd_5870_cfx_5760/
When two of these Galaxy GTX 460 1GB video cards are combined in a system and SLI is enabled we have witnessed incredible gaming performance that surpasses even the competition's high-end video card solutions in CrossFireX configurations. This SLI scaling is a true wakeup call for AMD, begging for better multi-GPU CrossFireX scaling efficiency.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=576&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=20
As this article has proven, SLI is not only possible - it's ideal.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-sli-review/18
With the more GPU stringent resolutions and modern games you can quite easily gain 1.8x ~ 1.9x performance with two of these 200 USD cards.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1364/1/
NVIDIA is showing any where from 60-90% scaling on the GeForce GTX 460 graphics cards across a range of seven popular PC game titles.
And that's worst case single monitor- 25X16.

You would be right about Crossfire Scaling- it's very poor oftentimes when it works, and doesn't work at all sometimes. Worse yet after years of CF, the guys at ATi still don't let users create profiles or force any render method. You could make your argument about CF, but not SLi.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-way-sli-crossfire,2622-14.html
Look how poorly the 5870s do in CF due to their uneven and low scaling. Also, the 5870CF had trouble with two games!
We’re going to use 2560x1600 without anti-aliasing enabled here, since the Radeon HD 5870s specifically have issues in Crysis and Metro 2033 at that resolution.

Ninja Prime
09-12-10, 07:42 AM
So do the very reliable "leaked slides from China" take into account the wide range of clock speeds on these parts NP?

Or DX11 performance?

Superior SLi scaling?

Just asking. :)

You know those slides are real Rollo, don't even try to pretend they aren't. :p

Of course, there is always overclocked models and such, but that applies both ways. I doubt the DX11 performance is much better outside of handpicked bench programs, as it supposedly only has one GPC, and thus has the same setup rate as the competition. In fact, I would guess its worse in games, as if I recall correctly, it can only do 8 pixel tri/clock vs 32 pixel tri/clock on ATI. Just a guess though.

Crossfire/SLI scaling are pretty similar, NV tends to be ahead on profiles though, I'll give you that.

While you're hinting at things, is there anything new high-end in the pipe from NV? My 5870 is approaching the year mark, thats about replacement time for me...

Rollo
09-12-10, 07:46 AM
I'm trying to figure out why they are for sale at newegg but the NDA is still in effect...?

Hard to say.

However, I will say I reconfigured one of my boxes yesterday to SLi and saw some very nice scaling with some cards I couldn't quite make out the model number of.

If these cards are anything like those, they might make an interesting SLi budget gamers combo. With only one 6 pin power connector each, obviously heat and power won't be an issue.

So you get 384 cores at 780-880MHz on two 6 pin for $260 with pre launch day pricing- not too shabby!

Rollo
09-12-10, 07:49 AM
You know those slides are real Rollo, don't even try to pretend they aren't. :p

Of course, there is always overclocked models and such, but that applies both ways. I doubt the DX11 performance is much better outside of handpicked bench programs, as it supposedly only has one GPC, and thus has the same setup rate as the competition. In fact, I would guess its worse in games, as if I recall correctly, it can only do 8 pixel tri/clock vs 32 pixel tri/clock on ATI. Just a guess though.

Crossfire/SLI scaling are pretty similar, NV tends to be ahead on profiles though, I'll give you that.

While you're hinting at things, is there anything new high-end in the pipe from NV? My 5870 is approaching the year mark, thats about replacement time for me...

Sorry NP, cannot comment on unreleased products.

ragejg
09-12-10, 08:10 AM
You're sorta dancing the fine line on your NDA, Rollo.

Rollo
09-12-10, 08:22 AM
You're sorta dancing the fine line on your NDA, Rollo.

Would not be the first time.

OTOH, I don't think I've said anything specific about my impressions of any unreleased product. I've extrapolated my suppositions from specs on newegg, and the SLi scaling of other products.

Heck, who knows if I even have 450s? I get unlabelled cards in a static bag, I only observed using two of these mystery cards seemed to be faster than one. They could be 5770s for all I know.....

;)

Vardant
09-12-10, 08:48 AM
It looks like you can stop Rollo - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4547725&postcount=84

Not bad, not bad at all.

jeffmd
09-12-10, 11:35 AM
Looks like 450 sli could match if not edge out a 460. Although the power usage is about the same per card, I think if you have a nice enough psu to run 2 450's, you are already running 2 460's or better. ;)

Rollo
09-12-10, 01:16 PM
It looks like you can stop Rollo - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4547725&postcount=84

Not bad, not bad at all.

If those Tweaktown numbers are accurate, the OC 450s look like a better buy than 5770s.
(and way better than 5750s)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAZqjsSZphE

Ninja Prime
09-12-10, 06:09 PM
It looks like you can stop Rollo - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4547725&postcount=84

Not bad, not bad at all.

I'm sorry to bust your bubble guys, but thats pure marketing BS. They are taking a fanless(and thus lower performance), more expensive 5770, and comparing it to a top end overclocked GTS450. How anyone could feel honestly posting that is beyond me.

They compare a $150 uber OC GTX450 to a underperforming passive cooled 5770 that costs $160. If one just takes a short trip over to newegg, you'll find that a normal stock 5770 with a fan is only $124.99, and performs and overclocks better than the model they used. You'll also see that stock GTX450s that are clocked like 15% under the one in the review there are $129, $5 more than a 5770.

Even in their lopsided test, it only wins in 3 games that are classicly NV-slanted.

Bottom line, it beats a 5750, but is ~$25 more money, it doesn't beat a 5770 in a real comparison, for about the same money. Not even to mention power consumption, if you're someone who cares about that, the overclocked GTX450 they use needs about as much power as a GTX460 to achieve the performance level they are benching, which I might remind people is about the same as a 5850, which is well above both in performance. The 5770 beats it with around 25% less power.

Make better chips, spend less on marketing NV.

Rollo
09-12-10, 07:01 PM
Ah but NP, it's still a WAY better buy than the 5770 even if the performance is only the same and the price is the same.

Are all the websites cheering ATi's scaling and multi GPU compatibility? No, they're lauding NVIDIA's multi GPU.

Can you accelerate Adobe CS with ATi? Nope.

Run a multitude of GPGPU apps? No.

Play your MafiaII (and other games) in optomized 3d? No.

Use AA in games like Batman AA? Nope.

Use cool PhysX effects in many games to increase immersion? No again.

ATi cards should cost a lot less because they give you so much less.

JasonPC
09-12-10, 07:28 PM
Is a 450 even powerful enough to use for 3D and Physx (while being the main renderer)........ These features you list are mainly enthusiast grade options that are likely going to be run with more powerful cards.

I know the 450 was more a replacement for the 250 and not exactly after the 5770's spot, but considering how long the 5770 has been out, it would have been nice to see slightly better performance. It's still a really nice card and one that could definitely be suggested over the 5770 due to superior multi-GPU support. It might come out looking a lot better in an SLI review (any out there?).

Rollo
09-12-10, 08:09 PM
Is a 450 even powerful enough to use for 3D and Physx (while being the main renderer)........ These features you list are mainly enthusiast grade options that are likely going to be run with more powerful cards.

I know the 450 was more a replacement for the 250 and not exactly after the 5770's spot, but considering how long the 5770 has been out, it would have been nice to see slightly better performance. It's still a really nice card and one that could definitely be suggested over the 5770 due to superior multi-GPU support. It might come out looking a lot better in an SLI review (any out there?).

I can't comment on performance yet.

However, I would speculate that based on those Tweak benchies that 3d Vision with older games at 16X10 would be possible. You've got to remember that that value of 3d Vision isn't all playing new games, it's great for replaying old favorites and seeing them in a whole new light. Some of my favorite 3d Vision games are the older Unreal games like Unreal 2 or UT2004.

As far as PhysX goes, I honestly don't know. I don't see these cards primary role as PhysX powerhouses, but what about as a future dedicated PhysX card if your fortunes improve? Or how about two of these as a primary and then an old 8800 as a a dedicated PhysX in your third PCIE slot?

The above are options an ATi gamer will never see. :(