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Vanzagar
09-12-10, 01:46 AM
This has to be the biggest mystery to me in gaming today… just finished up playing Mafia 2, and I can't stop asking myself why, WTF don’t you at least give me a 1st person option? It’s gotta be dead nuts simple, just move the camera and show a gun + a frackin hand. For me it would make the game sooo much funner, Oblivion did it… how hard can it be??

Here’s my beef with 3rd person:

1. FPS, I gotta be taking a hit on this, drawing the dudes body animated and with shadows, what’s that worth 5-10 fps, I'd like to have those extra FPS please as sometimes I dip under 30.

2. Camera, god damn camera, how many frakin times have I died in some small environment like a bar cause the camera either messed up completely or I had to fight with it to see what I needed to see, ya I really love looking into my avatars frakin ear while I’m getting my *ss shot off!! :headexplode:
3. Immersion, when playing 1st person games everyone once in awhile a little voice in my head goes off - yeah this is cool almost feels like I could actually be there. With 3rd person that little voice goes something like – yeah this is cool almost feels like… er never mind that dumb *sses fat frackin head is blocking my damn view again! :headexplode:

I mean seriously who the frak likes 3rd person view over 1st person and why?? Okay so lets say there's some legitimate reason out there that eludes me, like maybe you can see your environment a little better so it can help you cheat a little, fine but for Christ sake why the frak don't developers at least give us the option?? :headexplode:

Vanz

ps. same goes for GTA, would really like to give that game a whirl in 1st person...

Zenoth
09-12-10, 02:25 AM
To each their own, I'll be content to say this, lest I type a "wall of text" about this, in the end it's just a matter of personal tastes and preferences, too bad you happen to play games with the "wrong" view. I agree about this for some rare cases, but usually I don't mind (in the case of Oblivion playing in third-person was unbearable due to the age of the engine and how ugly and awkward the character's animations were in third-person, better to "hide" that while being in first-person, same goes with Fallout 3).

Viral
09-12-10, 03:04 AM
Third person has the added benefit of positioning the camera further away from textured surfaces. This allows for the use of lower res textures without it having as large of an impact on the visuals.

I think this is one of the main reasons we have seen a lot more third person games on consoles. Of course there are games where it is somewhat necessary due to the intaction with the environment... like say, Tomb Raider. Some modern First person games have started to prove that it can still be done with first person like mirrors edge. I'd like to see more of these games and this is the main reason I am excited about the upcoming FPS Brink.

crainger
09-12-10, 04:36 AM
I prefer 1st person, but it's cool in RPGs to see your gear and weapons. Also some games make clever use of 3rd person, like Dead Space using Isaac as the HUD.

sammy sung
09-12-10, 05:02 AM
Third person has the added benefit of positioning the camera further away from textured surfaces. This allows for the use of lower res textures without it having as large of an impact on the visuals.

I think this is one of the main reasons we have seen a lot more third person games on consoles. Of course there are games where it is somewhat necessary due to the intaction with the environment... like say, Tomb Raider. Some modern First person games have started to prove that it can still be done with first person like mirrors edge. I'd like to see more of these games and this is the main reason I am excited about the upcoming FPS Brink.

It doesnt have to be that way though,i'm playing Uncharted 2 now on the PS3 and that together with the first part 1 of the series has some of the very best visuals/textures seen on any format,it uses dual layer textures to great effect and detail.Sure,it lacks AA but that doesnt matter when youre sitting a few feet away from the screen instead of right next to it as you do with a PC.The textures for Mafia 2 looks like crap though as far as ive seen from screenies.

Most devs seem kinda lazy there with multiformat games but i guess its very timeconsuming optimizing visuals for each format so they end up going a safe middle road instead.First person view would have been impossible for uncharted but others would be cool if you atleast had the choice.

crainger
09-12-10, 07:03 AM
Textures for Mafia II are pretty good. Especially the playmates. ::bleh::

nutcrackr
09-12-10, 07:06 AM
I prefer 2nd person, although rarely used.

Fuku2
09-12-10, 07:55 AM
I prefer 2nd person, although rarely used.

Yes, most PC gamers usually end up playing with themselves. :canadian:

mailman2
09-12-10, 08:11 AM
The moral of this thread.....consoles are killing PC gaming.

crainger
09-12-10, 08:40 AM
3rd person game existed on PC long before consoles. If anything they predate 1st person.

|MaguS|
09-12-10, 08:45 AM
3rd person game existed on PC long before consoles. If anything they predate 1st person.

Ignore him, he's an idiot.

As for preference, I usually like 3rd person for action adventure type games and even RPGs and 1st person for shooters. Games like fallout 3 and oblivion i switch between them often.

sammy sung
09-12-10, 08:49 AM
The moral of this thread.....consoles are killing PC gaming.

I doubt that this is the reason for it though since the tombraider series,alone in the dark etc all started on pc.It's all about money,Epic releases a ****ed up version of UT3 for PC,unoptimized crap ported from the version that they sold to sony as a release tease for the PS3 and it looked like **** even on the format it was developed for.They shunned their loyal UT fans on PC by not making the PC version any better and then theyre surprised when it doesnt sell and yell PIRATES !! :rolleyes:
Then they release gow and shift a lot of copies so for them consoles = win.I seriously doubt that the pirates hurt the sales of UT3 much,you can't play a pirated game online and the SP is awful , just tacked on and not worth playing even if you own a retail copy.Devs have to work harder with PC versions,higher detail textures,AA etc so in the end theyre lazy and go where the easier money is and THAT's whats killing PC gaming,not the absence of 1st person view.

Logical
09-12-10, 10:48 AM
1st person shooters for me. I do like 3rd person shooters too but a lot of the times the camera never looks right with 3rd person. Dead space FOV was terrible if you ask me. I also tend to sometimes use joypad with 3rd person games sometimes but with first person it is keyboard and mouse all the way...a good example of this is lost planet.

Section-9
09-12-10, 12:43 PM
I enjoy them both equally actually. 3rd person is great to see your characters outfit changes (armor upgrades etc.) Morrowind, Oblivion, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines etc. What's the point of upgrading your characters look if you can't see it ? :D I play Crysis and STALKER (-psp) in 3rd person quite a bit too, find it just as enjoyable as 1st person.

bacon12
09-12-10, 12:56 PM
One of the few 3rd person shooters can stand was Mass Effect series. I still haven't played mafia2 don't think I will.

Redeemed
09-12-10, 01:06 PM
First person here. :)

Mr. Hunt
09-12-10, 02:08 PM
I am fine with either. Depends on what the game was made for. Hitman: Blood Money can be played in first person, but it sucks in first person.

Section-9
09-12-10, 02:50 PM
Hitman: Blood Money can be played in first person, but it sucks in first person.

Yup.

Also UT3 with a third person mutator simply rocks. :)

Drolfrawd
09-12-10, 04:04 PM
Yes, most PC gamers usually end up playing with themselves. :canadian:

Hello idiot !

FlakMagnet
09-13-10, 06:23 AM
I prefer first person, but some games simply wouldn't work well without 3rd person. Batman:AA is an example where 3rd person is required to make the combat work. You need to see all around you while lining up your next hit to get big combo's. If Batman was first person, the combat would be much less fun and a lot more difficult to hit higher combo's.

I guess it just depends on the game. But I do agree with the OP that Mafia II would have been better being an FPS than a TPS.

LT.Schaffer
09-13-10, 11:37 AM
I Prefer 1st Person:)

Although a few games were good in 3rd person:

Hitman Series
Splinter Cell Series
Max Payne 1&2
Red Faction Guerilla
Dead Space
Mass Effect 1&2
Batman AA
Arcania Gothic 4
Dragon Age

nekrosoft13
09-13-10, 11:51 AM
Ignore him, he's an idiot.

As for preference, I usually like 3rd person for action adventure type games and even RPGs and 1st person for shooters. Games like fallout 3 and oblivion i switch between them often.

agreed

RPGs, depends on type, but mostly 3rd
Shooters, 1st.

nekrosoft13
09-13-10, 11:53 AM
I guess it just depends on the game. But I do agree with the OP that Mafia II would have been better being an FPS than a TPS.

I don't agree with that statement, Mafia II is story driven action shooter, where you play a role of Vito. Character has to be seen.

In pure shooters like Doom, the "character" that you play as is not important, just some avatar.

HiCZoK4
09-13-10, 04:35 PM
I agree with op. 1person totally. But here again I Cant imagine some games done fps way.. Devil May cry? Max Payne? Tomb Raider? NO WAY.

Vanzagar
09-13-10, 10:19 PM
...Character has to be seen.

wrong...

Story can still be told without having to see the back of my stupid characters head. Besides if I want to watch a movie I'll go rent one, I want to play a fraken game and be immersed in the story, I don't need to see the back of some dudes head to appreciate a story...

But at very least wtf don't they give us an option so we can play it both ways... just don't get it... I can't think of any free roaming first person games other than Oblivion, are there any? oh, wait I haven't tried fallout3 yet... oh and maybe farcry 2, haven;t tried that one either I guess...

Vanz