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technoid
09-21-10, 12:23 PM
I want to add a 2TB drive to my computer for serving video files on my home network. I'd like one of the 5400 RPM drives since they're so quiet but it seems all of them spin down when not used, is there one that doesn't? I really dislike that feature.

Of course reliability is the most important so what 5400 or 7200 RPM drive do you recommend? A 1.0 TB or 1.5TB is okay too, just looking for the most quiet and reliable drive.

nekrosoft13
09-21-10, 12:52 PM
as far as reliability go, they are all the same. it all depends on luck. But to have better lock, don't buy a drive made in China ;).

for quite drive you got: WD Greens (EARS versions with Advance format,5400RPM-7200RPM), Seagate Barracuda LP (5900RPM) and Samsung Ecogreen F3 (5400RPM).

If you worried about noise, then don't buy Hitachi 2TB 7200RPM, that is quite noisy.

Maverick123w
09-21-10, 12:58 PM
WD is the only brand I trust.

technoid
09-21-10, 01:02 PM
as far as reliability go, they are all the same. it all depends on luck. But to have better lock, don't buy a drive made in China ;).

for quite drive you got: WD Greens (EARS versions with Advance format,5400RPM-7200RPM), Seagate Barracuda LP (5900RPM) and Samsung Ecogreen F3 (5400RPM).

If you worried about noise, then don't buy Hitachi 2TB 7200RPM, that is quite noisy.

Thanks for warning me about the Hitachi 2TB 7200RPM, because that's one of the drives I was looking at. Do you know if the Samsung and Seagate drives spin down like the WD Green? I'll go with the WD Black before using another green since I hate that spin down stuff. Don't know why I dislike it so much but I do

technoid
09-21-10, 01:03 PM
WD is the only brand I trust.
I just may end up with a WD Black. I really like WD drives too.

Maverick123w
09-21-10, 01:07 PM
Of the bad drives I see come into the shop I'd venture a guess that 80% are seagates. I'll never purchase a seagate drive.

nekrosoft13
09-21-10, 01:14 PM
Thanks for warning me about the Hitachi 2TB 7200RPM, because that's one of the drives I was looking at. Do you know if the Samsung and Seagate drives spin down like the WD Green? I'll go with the WD Black before using another green since I hate that spin down stuff. Don't know why I dislike it so much but I do

I don't have Sammy Ecodrive F3 (latest model), but I do have 1.5TB Ecodrive F1 and as far as I'm aware it doesn't spindown, my four (two 2TB, and 2 1.5TB) Barracudas LP also don't seem to spin down.

I have the drives in Server 2008 R2 system set to performance in device manager. HDD are used for media storage and when accessing the media from XBMC over the network there is no evident delay that would suggest drives might be spinning up.

I also have four WD Green 2TB (EARS revisions) HDD, and only 2 spin down, the drives that are in my Sans Digital external enclosure.
1 drive is in my main rig, last one is in my server and it also doesn't spin down.

bob saget
09-21-10, 03:59 PM
love my western digital black.

bacon12
09-21-10, 04:01 PM
Sale on 2tb sammy's. (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1548479)

nekrosoft13
09-21-10, 04:14 PM
nice, wasn't aware that spinpoint f4 are out.

bacon12
09-21-10, 04:26 PM
I wish I had $400 to spend I would grab them for when WH2 finally gets rtm. I have a bunch of random drives now that range in size.

Viral
09-21-10, 07:47 PM
Samsung and WD for me. Seagate drives I try always do that crunching sound when loading like old drives from back in the 90's used to do. I used to use them back in the early 2000's and hated WD's because they had a high pitch whine... then a new seagate I bought did that crunching again so next time I tried a new WD - much better. I recently gave seagate a shot again for a work PC since the drive was $10 cheaper than a WD and it has the same crunching sound. Pretty much exact same PC beside it I built a few months earlier using a WD Green has no sound at all.

Pretty stupid anecdotal evidence I know especially since I haven't tried all models of drives (only tried 5400rpm WD's (silent) vs 7200rpm Seagates (crunching) and 7200rpm Samsung (quiet enough) so hopefully the slower Seagates are better.

These days I buy rotational HDD's for their quietness alone since I have SSD's for speed.

technoid
09-26-10, 12:04 PM
Okay. I'm slow but I just ordered the new Samsung F4 2TB from superbiiz. Thanks for letting me know about the sale. By the time I decided to order it I figured I waited too long, but when I checked last night the sale was still going on so I ordered one.

Samsung Spinpoint F4EG HD204UI 2TB SATA2 5400rpm 32MB Hard Drive - $94.99 (free shipping)

I keep reading about people having lots of problems with their 2TB drives so I hope mine is okay and reliable. I've read it's very quiet so that part should be good. I was about to order one of the HP Home Servers too (EX490 or EX495) but decided to put it in my own computer since that's what I'm serving from already. Right now I serve our video files from a WD 640 Black in an eSATA enclosure.

I'll post my install experience once it gets here and I set it up.

Yaboze
09-28-10, 09:07 AM
I have a WD Black 1 TB 7200rpm, it's pretty good for a non SSD.

All of the WD Black models have been popular.

Maverick123w
09-28-10, 11:22 AM
I have a WD Black 1 TB 7200rpm, it's pretty good for a non SSD.

All of the WD Black models have been popular.

Yeah the new 64MB models would make me question ever buying a Raptor.

bacon12
09-28-10, 11:36 AM
Got mines in yesterday, will be installing soon. :)

http://imgur.com/vIZezl.jpg (http://imgur.com/vIZez.jpg)

nekrosoft13
09-28-10, 11:42 AM
Got mines in yesterday, will be installing soon. :)

http://imgur.com/vIZezl.jpg (http://imgur.com/vIZez.jpg)

country of origin?

Yeah the new 64MB models would make me question ever buying a Raptor.

haha, cache got little to do with actual drive performance.

bacon12
09-28-10, 11:56 AM
country of origin?



Says product of Korea in blue below and left of the x'ed out trash can figure.

nekrosoft13
09-28-10, 11:59 AM
nice, i try to avoid HDD made in China.

Maverick123w
09-28-10, 12:54 PM
country of origin?



haha, cache got little to do with actual drive performance.

Yes I know that.... but the new drives are a good deal faster than the older blacks. It's just easier to differentiate themselves by the amount of cache.

technoid
10-01-10, 09:44 AM
I received my Samsung 2TB drive yesterday but the box was beat up pretty bad. I sure hope the drive did better than the box. I'll put links below to three pictures of the box and one of the drive.

The worst damage. The box is actually ripped open. (http://yfrog.com/ngsamsung2tb01damagej)

The other end of the box was mildly crunched. (http://yfrog.com/ndsamsung2tb02damagej)

The packing material after I opened the worst damaged end of the box. (http://yfrog.com/0ssamsung2tb03damagej)

The drive itself. Some of the dimples in the plastic box was mildly crunched. (http://yfrog.com/1nsamsung2tb04j)

I haven't installed the drive yet but I will later today, hopefully the drive is okay. I guess I better do a full sector scan to make sure. I hate those because they take so long. Does anyone else think the packing of the drive wasn't good enough. The drive actually moved around in the box if you tilted it from side to side. Packing material is cheap, they should put enough to secure the drive.

technoid
10-02-10, 07:45 AM
I guess I'm officially pissed. I installed the new Samsung 2TB drive last night and ran the Samsung Diagnostic test on it and it failed. But the results are a little confusing so I thought I'd see if anyone has any ideas on it. I'll put what I did below.

I went to the Samsung website and looked up my hard drive (HD204UI) and downloaded the diagnostic software listed for it (ESTOOL v3.01p). Then I made a boot floppy and ran the test.

The first time I ran it I skipped the READ SURFACE SCAN test and everything passed. Then I decided I better run the full scan since the box was beat up so bad. So I ran the test again but this time when it ask me if I wanted to do the READ SURFACE SCAN test I said yes and went to bed.

If I remember correctly I did NOT exit ESTOOL after the first run I just selected the test again but this time when it prompted me about the READ SURFACE SCAN test I said yes. I woke up about 2AM or so and the test was almost done so I set and watched it finish. Just as the READ SURFACE SCAN test reached 100% an ERROR box popped up and said there was a failure and said I should do a ERASE HDD and run the test again and if it failed contact support. The error report is kinda strange so if you're interested here's a link to a picture I took of the screen.

Error box just as read surface scan test completed (http://yfrog.com/mqestool1reporterrorj)

Then I hit the enter key and the picture below shows the results.

Test results after I hit the enter key (http://yfrog.com/n3estool2hitenterkeyj)

As you can see the test results shows the READ SURFACE SCAN test passed but the RAM VERIFY TEST failed. So I suppose since that test is right after the surface scan that's why I got the error box just as the read surface scan test hit 100%, the RAM test was so fast you couldn't see any time delay between the surface test ending and the RAM test failing.

So I ran the diagnostic test two more times right after that failure but skipped the Surface Scan test and the RAM test passed both times. SO... the RAM test passed the first time I ran the test, then failed when I ran the Surface Scan the second time, but the RAM test passed the Third and Fourth times I ran the diagnostic.

So my question is this. Was the RAM test failure possibly a fluke because of the 6 Hour Surface Scan test and maybe isn't a real failure? I don't want to keep the drive if it's a real failure but maybe since the RAM test only failed right after the Surface Scan test but not the other Three Times I ran it, maybe it's a fluke caused by the 6 Hour long Surface Scan. So any opinions?

The Samsung test kept a log on the floppy so I'll attach it here too. As far as I remember I did NOT exit the Samsung Diagnostic at anytime and restart it, all of the tests were done during a single run of it.

I'm not sure what the error box meant when it said to do an ERASE HDD and retest. I don't remember a selection in the menu that said ERASE HDD. I think I'll reboot and run the test again and make a picture of the main screen to see what it says. I'll come back and add the picture once I'm done.

EDIT:

I just took a picture of the ESTOOL main menu. Maybe the error box was talking about using the LOW LEVEL FORMAT option and then retest. Again, any ideas? Of course I'll call Samsung and see what they say too.

The drive is very quiet running, as in idle mode, but the Seeks aren't that quiet. I haven't formatted it yet but you can hear the drive do a few seeks when the computer boots up. Before I ran the surface scan I used the diagnostic program to turn the AAM to QUIET, but the seeks are still plainly heard when the computer boots up. A quiet drive to me means both idle and seek noise. So I would warn that this isn't an extremely quiet drive as far as seek noise is concerned. Of course I should probably wait till I get one formatted to say that for sure.

It also runs pretty cool, the program I have to monitor hard drives shows it at 34c right now. I have a very quiet case with only one fan at the rear running slow, so I think the drive runs very cool. The WD 500G I have right below it is running at 40c right now for reference.

Here's the picture of the main menu (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/estool3mainmenu.jpg/)

technoid
10-03-10, 02:16 PM
Hum... I guess no one has any thoughts about my problem with the Samsung HD204UI 2TB.

I'm thinking about keeping the hard drive since the only issue is failing the RAM test when it exits the 6 hour long full surface scan. I can run the Samsung diagnostics over and over and everything passes if I skip the full surface scan. And both times I ran the full surface scan it passed okay. I don't usually take any chances with a hard drive but for some reason I think this is a problem with their diagnostic and not a problem with the hard drive. Everytime I run the diagnostic the RAM test passes, except at the end of the full surface scan, and that's why I think it's an issue with the diagnostic program and not the hard drive itself. If the RAM is bad it should fail the test at least sometime other than at the end of the full surface scan. And I've ran the diagnostic 12 times, and only at the exit of the full surface scan did the RAM test fail.

I called Samsung about this issue but the guy I talked to was clueless. I wish I had asked to speak to a level 2 guy because the person I talked to didn't know much at all and just wanted to say anything to get rid of me.

Oh well, think of it this way, it's only 2TB of movies I'll loose if the drive fails :)

bacon12
10-03-10, 02:50 PM
Raid 1 or higher would solve any worries you have. ;)

technoid
10-03-10, 06:07 PM
Raid 1 or higher would solve any worries you have. ;)

I'm planning to put together a small server for the closet and run RAID on it, so everything will be okay then. But that's a little bit in the future for now, I'm slow :) But I've got plenty of old parts to put one together with, just getting the time to build it.

In the mean time I just finished copying all of our current movies to it and will start using it now. If something looks flaky in the next week I'll contact superbizz.com for an RMA.