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Peoples-Agent
10-03-10, 04:16 AM
Hi folks,

It's been years but now I am back onboard and going to do a clean build but daaamn, so much to consider. I am amazed at the options available to me now and the pricing is so much better than it use to be.

I've got to keep it under 1000 but i've priced up this rig and wondered what your thoughts were.

i7 950 w/ Corsair H50-1 Hydro Cooler , 6GB triple channel 1600mhz ram, Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev 2 mobo, 640GB Western Digital WD6402AAEX Caviar HD and the part where I get frowned on... lol... ATI 5870. (Or GTX 480 depending on budget.)

Still not sure about the PSU yet, need to do more reading up on them but im looking at the 750W Powercool PC750UM Modular if it's compatiable.

Any thoughts or pointers?

Still not sure whether to go with 1600mhz ram or just go for 1300.... whether to drop down a socket and go for 8GB dual channel.

Confused.

KasuCode
10-03-10, 06:42 AM
go with 1600 stick with 6GB for overclocking and get that cpu to 4.2ghz.

Nothing wrong with a 5870 great choice. If you can wait a month or two the ATI 6 series will most likely be available.

Motherboard is a good choice also might consider the Asus Sabertooth.

Never heard of that power supply cant comment. just make sure you get a good supply.

Peoples-Agent
10-03-10, 08:06 AM
Thanks for the info. Tempted to wait for the 6000 series then, if it's likely to be worth it. hmmm

mullet
10-03-10, 10:17 AM
go with 1600 stick with 6GB for overclocking and get that cpu to 4.2ghz.

Nothing wrong with a 5870 great choice. If you can wait a month or two the ATI 6 series will most likely be available.

Motherboard is a good choice also might consider the Asus Sabertooth.

Never heard of that power supply cant comment. just make sure you get a good supply.

+1, and welcome back to PC gaming dude.

Drolfrawd
10-03-10, 10:30 AM
Solid looking choices

Nvidia card though ftw

Peoples-Agent
10-03-10, 03:44 PM
What are people's thoughts on going the AMD route?

Do the 1055Ts overclock to anywhere near the 1090T? And what's the 1090Ts for an overclock to compete with Intel's offerings?

bacon12
10-03-10, 04:05 PM
Thanks for the info. Tempted to wait for the 6000 series then, if it's likely to be worth it. hmmm

Also sandy bridge is around the corner and a worthy upgrade. I would wait for it if I could.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3922/intels-sandy-bridge-architecture-exposed

mailman2
10-03-10, 04:09 PM
GTX 470, i5 750 (or 760), 4GB 1600 DDR3, P55.

The 6 core AMD isnt bad either, but nothing is going to use more than 4 cores right now. Intel is a better, more solid build and probably going to give you better scaling if you overclock.

If you wait for AMD 6000, I'm sure Nvidia will have something right around the corner, there is always something better coming. Find a good deal and just jump on it, dont keep waiting or you'll be waiting forever.

Viral
10-03-10, 09:27 PM
I'd wait a couple of weeks. You might be waiting a few more after that if you decide to go with a HD6000 part, but at the very least, you should find 5870 and GTX480 prices will drop in a 2-4 weeks time. You might even be able to pick up a second hand one for a bargain for those anticipating an upgrade.

Sandybridge is also coming not too far off, but it sounds like you want to upgrade before then so asking you to wait it out that long seems a bit too much. If you can though, it will be worth it in the long run.

Peoples-Agent
10-03-10, 09:38 PM
Do any games benefit from more than 4GB ram these days?

Lyme
10-04-10, 12:24 AM
What are people's thoughts on going the AMD route?

Do the 1055Ts overclock to anywhere near the 1090T? And what's the 1090Ts for an overclock to compete with Intel's offerings?

The AMD offering typically costs half as much as the Intel and you don't get twice the performance from the Intel. It gives you the choice: A) The fastest, but at a premium B) Competitive, with value for your money.

So we have the 3.2ghz i7 (not the fastest clock sold) for $1012.01 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54680&vpn=BX80613I7970&manufacture=Intel

and the 3.2ghz 1090T for $334.99 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52067&vpn=HDT90ZFBGRBOX&manufacture=AMD

So yes the intel is faster (no argument), but is it worth it?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9vgJ1nwu_xA/S9azBFw37yI/AAAAAAAADAw/0j0mzYSILVk/s640/3d+mark.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9vgJ1nwu_xA/S9azBFw37yI/AAAAAAAADAw/0j0mzYSILVk/s640/3d+mark.JPG

AMD chipset motherboards tend to be comparatively cheaper too.

Peoples-Agent
10-04-10, 02:06 AM
The AMD offering typically costs half as much as the Intel and you don't get twice the performance from the Intel. It gives you the choice: A) The fastest, but at a premium B) Competitive, with value for your money.

So we have the 3.2ghz i7 (not the fastest clock sold) for $1012.01 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54680&vpn=BX80613I7970&manufacture=Intel

and the 3.2ghz 1090T for $334.99 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=52067&vpn=HDT90ZFBGRBOX&manufacture=AMD

So yes the intel is faster (no argument), but is it worth it?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9vgJ1nwu_xA/S9azBFw37yI/AAAAAAAADAw/0j0mzYSILVk/s640/3d+mark.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9vgJ1nwu_xA/S9azBFw37yI/AAAAAAAADAw/0j0mzYSILVk/s640/3d+mark.JPG

AMD chipset motherboards tend to be comparatively cheaper too.

So looking at that, the 1090T would be a better option than the i7 950?

Viral
10-04-10, 06:30 AM
If all you do is run 3Dmark06.... try looking at a whole range of benchmarks. I like the Phenom II's a lot, if you're on any sort of reasonable budget I'd go for one, but IMO, the core i7 950 is the better CPU for gaming.

Peoples-Agent
10-04-10, 09:46 AM
Just got a quote from a place on a machine, by the time I get my redundancy cash through it will probably be different but gives me something to go by. Be interesting to see if I could build it for much less myself.

i7-950 (3.06GHz @ max 3.8GHz) , 6GB KINGSTON HYPER-X TRI-DDR3 ram, 640GB WD HD, CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ PSU, TITAN FENRIR EXTREME DIRECT TOUCH COPPER CPU COOLER, ATI HD 5870.

Comes in at 1174 inc. Vat and delivery.

Maverick123w
10-04-10, 10:45 AM
Yea the i7 950 is going to be the better gaming cpu than an amd 6-core. If you aren't going sli/xfire you won't notice a difference, but the core i5/i7 series really gets to stretch it's legs with another card in the system.

Lyme
10-04-10, 10:54 AM
Better alone is a wishy washy term.
The AMD will not perform better than the Intel.
The AMD has a better bang for the buck than Intel.

If you are looking to have the fastest, then go with Intel.
If you want to be competitive and still have $600 left over for beer, go with AMD.

Simply said you are going to pay, and pay quite a lot, for that little bit of extra performance.

Maverick123w
10-04-10, 01:53 PM
Better alone is a wishy washy term.
The AMD will not perform better than the Intel.
The AMD has a better bang for the buck than Intel.

If you are looking to have the fastest, then go with Intel.
If you want to be competitive and still have $600 left over for beer, go with AMD.

Simply said you are going to pay, and pay quite a lot, for that little bit of extra performance.

That's a better way of saying what I was trying to get at.

I figure with my 6 core I get 85% of the performance of an i7 920 for a lot less total cost. It makes me quite happy.

Peoples-Agent
10-04-10, 03:59 PM
Which begs the question, would two GTX 460s in SLI beat a GTX 470 or HD 5870? Last time I was involved in all this I had a pair of 7800GTs in SLI and it was a total pain in the ass getting it to play nicely with alot of games, driver support was not cool.

Aaargh, now I remember why I had a break from this. lol

bacon12
10-04-10, 04:18 PM
SLI has improved so much from the 7 series. Also 460s will scale really well.

Viral
10-04-10, 06:16 PM
If you had a break from PC gaming I wouldn't be looking into a setup that could potentially cause further headaches. Keep it simple, no SLI, Crossfire, RAID or excessive overclocking. Even buying a rig that requires overclocking to perform on par isn't a good idea, buying the i7 950 is good for this reason.

Lyme
10-04-10, 08:21 PM
If you had a break from PC gaming I wouldn't be looking into a setup that could potentially cause further headaches. Keep it simple, no SLI, Crossfire, RAID or excessive overclocking. Even buying a rig that requires overclocking to perform on par isn't a good idea, buying the i7 950 is good for this reason.

Playing the course and getting one over par is still cool, especially if you only had to pay half price.

Lyme
10-04-10, 08:23 PM
Which begs the question, would two GTX 460s in SLI beat a GTX 470 or HD 5870? Last time I was involved in all this I had a pair of 7800GTs in SLI and it was a total pain in the ass getting it to play nicely with alot of games, driver support was not cool.

Aaargh, now I remember why I had a break from this. lol

I'd suggest getting a dual card capable motherboard and psu that can handle two, and starting with one card. If you have the desire later, the price will certainly be lower.

Peoples-Agent
10-07-10, 04:00 PM
Got another quote for a system with a bigger hard drive and a 480 GTX instead but for a bit less. Sold!!

Just waiting for the money to come in.

mullet
10-07-10, 05:09 PM
Good deal.

onmikesline
10-07-10, 07:04 PM
i think you should jump on a i7930 and just overclock that baby to 4.2 you can find them for cheaper them a 950