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Sprite
07-30-03, 03:55 PM
I have a big problem with my ASUS FX 5900 Ultra (buyed today).

I'm testing the new card with the Dawn-Demos from NVidia first. The first version (http://www.nvidia.com/object/demo_dawn.html) and the Dusk Ultra version (http://www.nvidia.com/object/demo_dusk.html).

Testing with:

1024x768x32 Bit, 0xAA and 0xAni-Filter, Dawn normal = 9 fps!? (a Friend with ATI 9700 pro = 50 fps)
1024x768x32 Bit, 0xAA and 0xAni-Filter, Dawn ultra = 4 fps!? (a Friend with ATI 9700 pro = 35 fps)
1024x768x32 Bit, 0xAA and 0xAni-Filter, Dusk Dawn = 14 fps!?

1024x768x32 Bit, 8xAA and 8xAni-Filter, Dawn normal = 9 fps!? (a Friend with ATI 9700 pro @4xAA = 25 fps)
1024x768x32 Bit, 8xAA and 8xAni-Filter, Dawn ultra = 4 fps!? (a Friend with ATI 9700 pro @4xAA = 15 fps)
1024x768x32 Bit, 8xAA and 8xAni-Filter, Dusk Dawn = 14 fps!?
800x600 x32 Bit, 8xAA and 8xAni-Filter, Dusk Dawn = still 14 fps!?
1600x1200x32 Bit, 8xAA and 8xAni-Filter, Dusk Dawn = 1 fps!?

No changes between 0xAA or 8xAA... and still the same fps if I'm activating Wireframe or Point mode! What the hell is going on here? The "simple" ATI 9700 pro is 5 times better than my FX 5900 U???

My System:

AMD 2400+
ASUS V9950 FX 5900 Utlra 256 MB with 44.71 driver
ASUS A7V8X, newest VIA drivers
2x512 MB, PC-333 DDRRAM
totaly fresh XP prof (no servicepack)

SH64
07-30-03, 04:18 PM
Did you try the official 44.03 ?

Sprite
07-30-03, 05:09 PM
Yes, right now.

Definitely nothing changed... all fps are the same :(!?

schuey74
07-30-03, 05:14 PM
Install SP1 & what DX version are you running?

mike5926j
07-30-03, 06:35 PM
I have a similar problem, but not as bad as yours. In the Dawn Ultra demo I can not get above 22fps. I get 22 fps in all resolutions.

High Perf./No AA/No AF
640x480 : 22
800x600 : 22
1024x768 : 22
1280x960 : 22
1600x1200 : 22

In Dusk Ultra I get:
17fps in 640x480
14fps in 1024x768
12fps in 1280x960

I have had my new system for about a month now and have tried hundreds of different bios settings, configurations, and drivers, none of them help. I have also overclocked my video card and cpu higher, but it doesn't help.

I also get a stutter in Freelancer when dialog begins and ends.

Please let us know if you find the problem. Thanks

My system:
Antec True 430 power supply
ASUS P4P800 Deluxe motherboard with 1009 bios
2.8CGhz P4 with 800Mhz FSB, O/C to 2.95Ghz
1GB of Crucial DDR400 Ram in Dual Channel mode
eVGA Geforce FX 5900 128MB @ 450/900
Sound Blaster Live Value with newest official driver
Windows XP Pro w/SP1
Direct X 9.0b

SH64
07-30-03, 06:46 PM
how do you measure the fps in the Nvidia demos ??

mike5926j
07-30-03, 06:54 PM
I use Fraps, www.fraps.com

mortaldivine
07-30-03, 06:58 PM
does your card have the flickering problem?

SH64
07-30-03, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by mike5926j
I use Fraps, www.fraps.com

thanks i'll try it cuz i really dunno my nvidia demos fps.

MikeC
07-30-03, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by mike5926j
I use Fraps, www.fraps.com

ATI reported that they are investigating an overhead issue they've encountered with the latest version of FRAPS. They still use version 1.9D for testing in their internal benchmarking lab.

SH64
07-30-03, 07:08 PM
Same thing here 21 on both 1024x768 & 800x600 :confused:

i this bad fps for Dawn ultra demo ??!
it runs smooth already!

mike5926j
07-30-03, 07:13 PM
It doesn't seem completely smooth to me. I have heard of 5900 Ultras getting 27 or 28 fps on it. And look at the 1st post, Radeon 9700 Pros can get over 30fps.

SH64
07-30-03, 07:18 PM
Maybe its an issue in fraps itself as MickC said ...

all Nvidia demos run with absolute smooth to me even with AA & AF 8x (actully it wont effect on it as nvidia said)
thats what i care about & i dont give a damn about the fps numbers
besides the benchmarks cant be reliable source to measure you card performance . the best way is to test your card in some ACTUAL games.
since most games runs ok with me at max .. i wont care about the benchs....

SH64
07-30-03, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by mike5926j
And look at the 1st post, Radeon 9700 Pros can get over 30fps.

interesting ...
did you know that when my bro had Sapphire atlantis 9700 pro & i had the FX5800 and we where both P4:2.4
the 9700 pro scored 11000 in 3dmark2001
while the 5800 (non-ultra) scored 13400 !!

XForce
07-31-03, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by SH64
interesting ...
did you know that when my bro had Sapphire atlantis 9700 pro & i had the FX5800 and we where both P4:2.4
the 9700 pro scored 11000 in 3dmark2001
while the 5800 (non-ultra) scored 13400 !!
:rolleyes: :POKE:

SH64
07-31-03, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by XForce
:rolleyes: :POKE:

Belive what you want to belive , but thats what happend even when we tried the lastest Catalyst drivers .
yes he got better score in 3d Mark2003 .
one more intersesting fact the he couldnt run all the tests with the 9700 cuz on the "mother nature" test the prog abort & says "out of video memory" ! lol
but that was fxied with the new drivers.

XForce
07-31-03, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by SH64
Belive what you want to belive , but thats what happend even when we tried the lastest Catalyst drivers.
I have no doubt that the numbers you mentioned are indeed the ones that appeared on the screen after benchmarking.

I only rolled my eyes and poked my stick for seeing that 3DM2k1 and/or 2k3 scores are still used to point out speed differences between NV and Ati cards.
ATM, these (and most others) benchmarks are a mere indicator for what some driver guys and IHVs think they'd getting away with.

Didn't want to spoil you, sorry.

Cheers,
Mac

SH64
07-31-03, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by XForce
I have no doubt that the numbers you mentioned are indeed the ones that appeared on the screen after benchmarking.

I only rolled my eyes and poked my stick for seeing that 3DM2k1 and/or 2k3 scores are still used to point out speed differences between NV and Ati cards.
ATM, these (and most others) benchmarks are a mere indicator for what some driver guys and IHVs think they'd getting away with.

Didn't want to spoil you, sorry.

Cheers,
Mac

well i didnt take the benchmark numbers as a refrence to prove the gfx card performance either!!(see above)

thats what i was trying to tell "mike5629j" when he thought that his card is slow cuz a 9700 scored better than his 5900 in dawn ultra demo.
so its all about "score" number in actual games you'r playing not a synthetic benchmarks or in this case graphic demos


no offense taken dude :)

scott123
07-31-03, 07:57 AM
In dawn ultra I get about 20fps with my 5900 Ultra (4x fsaa/8x AF)

With my 9800 Pro I get about 25fps (4x fsaa/16x AF)

XForce
07-31-03, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by SH64
well i didnt take the benchmark numbers as a refrence to prove the gfx card performance either!!(see above) [..]My bad, I got you completely backwards, I just re-read your posts and noticed we actually agree, besides our choice of graphic cards, that is. :D

Cheers,
Mac

breez
07-31-03, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by SH64
interesting ...
did you know that when my bro had Sapphire atlantis 9700 pro & i had the FX5800 and we where both P4:2.4
the 9700 pro scored 11000 in 3dmark2001
while the 5800 (non-ultra) scored 13400 !!

Heheh, I get over 11K with a Radeon 8500 :cool:

saturnotaku
07-31-03, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by breez
Heheh, I get over 11K with a Radeon 8500 :cool:

Yeah, 3DM01 (and digitalwanderer can also attest to this) was about the only thing the 8500 was good at. I had one, it knocked the pants off my GeForce3 in 3dmark but completely sucked for games. That was the beginning of the end for 3dmark in my video card testing repertoire.

breez
07-31-03, 12:21 PM
Let's just see how Doom3 runs on R8500 vs GF3 ;) :D

SH64
07-31-03, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by breez
Heheh, I get over 11K with a Radeon 8500 :cool:

sweet ! keep it for HL2 it may come in handy :D

Sprite
08-01-03, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by schuey74
Install SP1 & what DX version are you running?

Yes, it's now a clean XP prof SP 1a, DX9.0a and 44.03... but the same damn fps. 4 on ultra with 8xAA on/off, 9 on normal with 8xAA on/off...

What can I do now? This is really unbelievable!