GeForceFX dominates the marketplace

[Evildeus]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
This also just goes to show you that Nvidia can Lie, Cheat, steal, and probably kill people..
:rolleyes: You are still alive? How can you say thing like that, i think you should sleep a bit.

and for some reason the masses still think they are the best.
http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame/ :D :afro: :angel: :angel2:

[rabblerouser]

The quote in the first post on this thread regarding marketshare numbers is deceptive.

NVDA actually lost 4% of overall graphics share, while Ati gained 2% of overall share. Intel was the big winner, with 5% marketshare gain. The first post of 64% is for standalone graphics products and excludes mobile and integrated graphics.

Overall marketshare of all graphics products shipped is 27% NVDA, 21% ATI, 32% Intel and the rest is small fry. Intel's gain is of course in integrated graphics - and they gained cpu marketshare so it's natural they would gain in graphics also with their motherboards.

Fortunately for Ati, Ati will soon have the best integrated graphics solution for the Intel desktop market which will help them to gain more overall share. If the product is reasonably successful, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ati overtake NVDA in overall marketshare in two quarters.

Remember, there is only a 6% difference overall in marketshare between Ati and NVDA now.

So things aren't very good for NVDA. They maintained standalone desktop but lost share in every other segment, including mobile (lost about 8-9%). And NVDA's margins are going to be down this quarter. They blamed this on .13 yields but I'm sure that having such heavy competition in the high end and mainstream performance has played a significant role.

In the mobile segment, Ati increased their share of all portable graphics shipped by 8%.

[StealthHawk]

Products shipped has nothing to do with current marketshare. If anything, it means that next quarter ATI has the possibility to gain a few percentage. Of course that is not concrete.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20030801102103.html

Two nice quotesThe total graphics market, including desktop standalone, desktop integrated, portable standalone and portable integrated graphics devices as well as workstation products and mobile workstation products was flat compared to the first quarter 2003.

As reported yesterday, NVIDIA has 64% of the total standalone GPUs for desktop computers market, flat with the Q1, just like ATI Technologies with its 28%. Other suppliers’ shares obviously remained unchanged.

[CapsLock]

rabblerouser, that was a fairly informitive post, thanx.

Where did you get your facts from?

Also, I completely agree about the new Ati integrated Intel chipset. Its going to make them barrels of money. Thats where the expected 40% jump in revenue is going to come from I bet.

40% of thier current gross would put them even with NV's gross.

Also, when you consider how much of NV's marketshare in the standalone desktop segment derives from thier low end 400/420/440 boards, how much of that will they lose when people will be able to get dx 8.1 integrated chipset from Ati?

And its going to be probably cheaper than a cheap board add in.

Speed, like with the 5200, may not be the issue. Thats why all the big m-board makers have jumped on this one, its gonna be big I think.

Caps

[saturnotaku]

Question:

Have any of the figures thrown around in this thread include the nForce? It may be a relatively small part of NVIDIA's game, but they definitely dominate ATI in this department.

[rabblerouser]

The numbers were from the same xbitlabs article and overall share figures include integrated nForce 2 graphics.

Regarding nForce 2, yeah it is a great product. I think Ati would like to set up as the nForce 2 of the Intel market. Nvidia doesn't have a license for the Intel market, while Ati has licenses for both Intel and AMD. Even if Ati gets 20% of the Intel desktop market, they will have surpassed NVDA nForce 2 sales, since AMD's marketshare is pretty low at the moment.

As a side note, Ati dominates the mobile market with overall 68% share, which is quite incredible compared to desktop distribution of graphics market share. And in the US last quarter notebook sales outpaced desktop sales.

Ati will have a chipset out for the A64 but for the moment it seems they are targeting the Intel desktop market.

Regarding the 40% rise in revs, that is referring to the rise year over year, not from last quarter to this quarter. The sequential rise will be probably around + or - 10%.

[Hanners]

Originally posted by Evildeus
http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame/ :D :afro: :angel: :angel2:

There truly is some beautiful irony in using 3DMark 2003 results to show how great the 5900 is... :rofl

[Skuzzy]

Kind of thought all gaming/video card enthusiasts, by now, would know using 3DMark to support a performance claim would put them in the same light as someone running through the forums naked, chasing a golf ball, and yelling, "Someone grab my ball!".

I mean,..how much sillier could you look?

On topic: Only a lunatic CEO would announce performance numbers that were over the top. When I made the remark about OEM sales, I was referring to the computer manufacturers.
During the next 3 months is the same time frame they would be placing orders for product to ship before Christmas. ATI has announced many design wins with OEM manufacturer's, so it is not unreasonable to think that a large portion of the projected gain would be from this. Afterall, they would already have a good idea of the number of product they are going to ship.

[CapsLock]

Skuzzy, Hanners-

Kudos for a couple of very accurate and pointed observations.

Can anyone find out which driver that 5900U was using? I am not registered at FM.

Didn't I read that "somehow" and "mysteriously" an Nvidia driver came out that doesn't show the clipping plane errors BUT yet still manages to keep the exact same score as the previous driver, which did? Nvidia keep releasing so many unofficial drivers, its pretty hard to keep track of them all.

(ie.: they put in an off-the-rails detector and left in the clip planes.)

I mean really, how unsportsman-like. Tsk, tsk.

Caps

PS. someone please help evildeus find his ball.

[Ruined]

Originally posted by CapsLock
Skuzzy, Hanners-

Kudos for a couple of very accurate and pointed observations.

Can anyone find out which driver that 5900U was using? I am not registered at FM.


The 44.67 WHQL Detonators (on EVGA's site) have in the readme.txt "Fixed 3dmark03 issues." These are the same drivers that no longer have the clipping issues, and actually gave me about 1-2% higher score on 3dmark 3.3.0 than the 44.03 drivers did on 3.2.0. So, however they achieved the score, the 44.67 drivers are obviously cool with Futuremark as they put all the Nvidia cards using them in the Hall of Fame. All drivers after 44.67 also have no problems with 3dmark. And, the top 3 cards in ORB are currently FX5900 Ultras using 44.67 or later and 3dmark 3.3.0.

Then again, does all this really matter when a P2-350mhz is the CPU of choice for 3dmark03 (http://www.aceshardware.com/read.jsp?id=60000242)? ;)

[CapsLock]

thanx Ruined.

So what do you think about the new drivers? A miracle of valid optimization, or blatant nya-nya, can't catch us now!

FutureMark, I think, has merely chosen a slower(?) path to destruction when they backed off on calling cheats for what they are-cheats!!

Now who cares what your score is, it can't be compared to the competition. The score is now irrelevant, even in the abstract.

Caps

[digitalwanderer]

It was just pointed out to me at B3D that the numbers in the xbit lab article on nVidia dominating the market place came from Mercury Research.

Does Mercury Research ring a bell with anyone? I'll give you some hints; they gave an award to the nV30 as the most innovative chip in 2002 before it was even available and we all got to meet our special buddy Peter Glaskowhatshisface when he came here to explain to us how wrong we were about the nV30. :rolleyes:

THIS IS JUST PR BS, NOTHING MORE!!!

(Sorry if I'm a bit ranty, I'm mad at myself for not catching the Mercury Research bit before it was pointed out to me...I HATE paid shills like that! )

[Skuzzy]

Just a guess digiw,...you have not had your coffee yet? :D

One thing cool about market research. If you have a specific goal to reach you will be able to get it substantiated given enough polls of the right people.

[Ruined]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
THIS IS JUST PR BS, NOTHING MORE!!!

Are you suggesting that Mercury Research just fabricates numbers out of thin air? I don't think any 'Research' company (who researches more than just video cards) would do something like that just to satisfy one particular company - it would be too risky for the rest of their business. You may not like the numbers, or the way XBITLABS presented them, but I don't see any reason to believe they are false, especially when Mercury Research researches more than just video cards. I dont see why it is so hard to believe that Nvidia's marketing has succeeded in this case, just as it has numerous times in the past...

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Ruined
Are you suggesting that Mercury Research just fabricates numbers out of thin air?

Of course they do, because the Almighty Digitialwanderer has deemed it so!

[ragejg]

he does at least have a point though...

[Ruined]

Originally posted by ragejg
he does at least have a point though...

Not really - giving awards is a lot different than making up numbers.

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by ragejg
he does at least have a point though...

Not really. We're dealing with two different things here. One is market numbers (which would be an incredibly stupid move to fake), the other is an opinion on what was deemed to be the best/most innnovative/whatever video card.

Edit: Ooooh...mind meld. :D

[walkndude]

I don't see a point, just another accusation. There's a difference.

[ragejg]

I think he has a point in that it's not outta line IMO to feel a little bit "rrrrr :(" about the numbers GIVEN the last debacle involving them... I'm not proclaining invalidity, just the fact that it's not outta the question to have a funny feeling about how the numbers were put together.

:)

[walkndude]

I feel like I'm spoon feeding my kid here...

Digit isnt just "suspicious" about the numbers as you are rage(as anyone should of any market research)...

Read the reply again maybe. He purports it to be absolutely false and nothing more than PR. Period. That is his "point".

I could care less how much market share either company has as long as they stay afloat and continue to make quality cards. This thread just goes to show how deep the zelousness runs with some people around here...

Hellbinder accusing nVidia of probably killing people is classic, although I'm sure he'll respond he was just "kidding around"...
I assure you he wasn't

[CapsLock]

HellBinder said:

Still does not change the fact that % of products shipped does not = % of market.

This also just goes to show you that Nvidia can Lie, Cheat, steal, and probably kill people.. and for some reason the masses still think they are the best. Just like they have gotten away with stringing people along for nearly a year inticing them to *wait for the 9700pro killer*.. becuase its obviously going to be better etc etc. Yet even the 5900U is inferior in Dx9 performance and other features. Does it matter? no....



walkndude said:

Hellbinder accusing nVidia of probably killing people is classic, although I'm sure he'll respond he was just "kidding around"...
I assure you he wasn't.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????? ????????????????

LMAO @ walkndude.

Yea, you caught em dood. HellBinders post was a very clear accusation of Nvidia's having a completely illegal secret assassin team.

No, I'm not talking about the legal kind of assassins, nor the non-secret public kind.

Yea, that was exactly what his post was about. Way to pick that up. You are far to smart for HellBinder. Thank you ever so much for looking out for the rest of us. Boy, that HB, he sure is a NUT!
He'll just say the craziest things and accuse people of the most outlandish Bull***t.

Hey, Walkndude, maybe you should get a special medal for this?

Or something.

Caps

edit: whoops, sorry walkndude, you obviously don't get hyperbole or humerous sarcasm, I was just kidding about you being smart.

[walkndude]

scratches head while chuckling...

[CapsLock]

also scratches head while chuckling....yea thats a great defence of a totally ludicrous accusation/character attack.

Go Dood.

Caps

[aapo]

Originally posted by Nv40
its not the quantity but the quality of the competition that force prices lower.

Well said! :) Let's hope the competition stays as hard as it has been. And it surely seems to be a good race ahead between some vendors..