Where is the parade when you need rain?

[Spiritwalker]

Just posing a question on who you think will blink first and introduce nV38/R360 and risk the rain?

Also what timeframe?

My best guess:
ATi intros first, sometime in mid August (maybe the 18th) with nVidia announcing the same week ATi ships (mid Sept)

[Paul]

Given that the NV38 is down for availability in September, an August announcement would be expected - Ditto for the R360. Tbh, i imagine both companies are ready to go with it, and the announcements will be in very quick succession.

[reever2]

According to the Inquirer reps from ATI sais they will never paper launch a product, it will always ship the day they announce it, so i woudl say r360

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by reever2
According to the Inquirer reps from ATI sais they will never paper launch a product, it will always ship the day they announce it, so i woudl say r360

Actually, they said "the gap the press to the product volumes will be a maxium of 30 days." And except for the 9600 they've already done that for R300 and R350.

[simwiz2]

When did NV38 tape out?

[MuFu]

This "round" is going to be just as much about the driver releases as it is about the cards. ;) :cool:

MuFu.

[LS32]

But the question is, will the new drivers be of questionable quality with their speed....and will they increase performance across the whole fx line. If nvidia wants to make the nv38 look great they would want the initial driver release to work only on the nv38 so reviewers could show a large performance gap rather than one based solely on clock speeds (non-UDA? or gf fx specific uda and <fx uda...).

The other question is whether the d50s will fix the register problem or if it is actually a result of bad silicon/design. Im not sure how much to expect from the r360 in terms of real world performance if it is just a r350 speedbinned, but it seems the fx series is getting a higher clock speed boost (50 mhz as opposed to 30/40 mhz) as well as a new driver set and maybe nvidia will reclaim the performance lead.

But....the d50s...will they be of fp32 quality at all times and still faster than the new radeons? Thats our parade.

[reever2]

Originally posted by LS32

But....the d50s...will they be of fp32 quality at all times and still faster than the new radeons? Thats our parade.

That all matters on how big Nvidias drivers get untli the public gets offended that they need 10+mb of space just for code substitutions

[Paul]

The NV3x series cannot do FP32 across the whole scene in games/benchmarks, and still be faster than Radeons. The architecture just isn't up to it, and no amount of wonder drivers is going to fix that.

Det50 included.

[bloodbob]

Det50 and all its FX12 and bilinear glory :afro2:.

This 50% gain in det 50s sounds soo sus I'm sorry to say I think it won't even show that preformance jump in benchmarks.

[Paul]

Oh, they'll definitely be some legitimate speed increases. But they won't be using FP32 fullscene, regardless.

[MuFu]

The driver has already changed in a major way over the last few revisions. 50% increase in benchmarks seems unlikely, but some shaders are running over 5 times faster now.

MuFu.

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by MuFu
The driver has already changed in a major way over the last few revisions. 50% increase in benchmarks seems unlikely, but some shaders are running over 5 times faster now.

MuFu.

Any idea if that 5x improvement legitimate or just more replacements?

Even if it is legit, nvidia's gonna have a very hard time convincing a lot of people of that.