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WeReWoLf
02-01-11, 10:34 AM
Looking to cool CPU + 2 480's with the following gear:

XSPC Rasa RX360 Water Cooling Kit (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16617)

XSPC RX240 Radiator (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_297_919&products_id=13082)

EK-FC480 GTX Waterblocks x2 (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_878_880&products_id=14125)

Bitspower G1/4 Black Diamond 1/2 ID Fittings x6 (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=13479) (For the GPU Waterblocks and extra Rad)

Spare Tubing 1/2 ID 1 metre (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_853&products_id=11616)

CoolerMaster 120mm SickleFlow (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_510&products_id=8135) (For the 2nd Rad)

Swiftech HydrX Coolant x2 (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_301&products_id=1380)

Total Price with shipping: $521 AUD

Seeing as I'm new to this, and still doing my research at the moment, are there any suggestions or changes I can make? The price of the XSPC RX360 kit made me intrigued, and I'm after reducing fan noise over cooling at the moment. Also very limited in choices outside of paying for imports and import tax on computer hardware.

XDanger
02-01-11, 12:27 PM
Buy quieter graphics cards (swap them for a GTX590) and quieter fans for your megahalems :p

unhelpful sorry but this is my feeling on water cooling, You'll still need fans for it and you have 2 unnecessarily hot graphics cards in one loop I think the tubing might melt.

If the block is 2011 compatible then you have a point there but the blocks for the 480's is just throwing money away.

Roadhog
02-01-11, 12:48 PM
basically, You need at least a 360 rad for the gpus, and at least a 240 for cpu.

Id skip the kit though and buy a decent pump and res.

Also, distilled water with a silver kill coil makes the best coolant.

WeReWoLf
02-02-11, 08:01 AM
Can't purchase Silver Coils in Australia from the looks of it, So importing it will be.

As to the 480 Blocks not being worth it? I can't see myself upgrading GPU's for another year at the very least.

grey_1
02-02-11, 08:28 AM
Can't purchase Silver Coils in Australia from the looks of it, So importing it will be.

As to the 480 Blocks not being worth it? I can't see myself upgrading GPU's for another year at the very least.

I don't know why not really. Air cooled at 800/1600/1900 I never (literally) go above 64c while gaming. And I can't hear the cooler over the rest of my rig.

If you're dead set on spending the cash for water cooling, it would work out sweet.

Revs
02-02-11, 10:50 AM
I would avoid any kit unless it's got exactly what you want in it. The res (if you want a single loop) and the rads are fine, but I'm not sure about the pump or the CPU block. I'm using the 10w MCP350 pumps for both loops which seem to do fine, though the 18w MCP355 will give a slightly higher flow but are slightly noisier. I would go for a dual loop setup personally (obviously :p). XSPC do a nice dual drive-bay, dual res setup which many dealers bundle with the pumps..

http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=12622&cat=1631&page=1

You'll need 3 meters of tubing. 1 litre of coolant for each loop. I would recommend some method of ensuring you're alerted to a pump or fan failure, or a setup which can shutdown you're rig if you leave it on while you're out and something goes wrong.

I managed with an RX360 (GPU's) and an RX120 (CPU) with them being a deep rad, but a RX240 is prolly best for the CPU if you have room.

CPU block wise, I went for the EK Supreme HF, but the Watercool Heatkiller Rev 3 is supposed to be good, too. I used EK GPU blocks, which are nice.

You'll need a lot more than 6 fittings, too. I think I used 18 in total.

One more thing; if you want a drain plug to make changing the coolant easier, don't forget to fit it :bleh:

WeReWoLf
02-02-11, 11:18 AM
I don't know why not really. Air cooled at 800/1600/1900 I never (literally) go above 64c while gaming. And I can't hear the cooler over the rest of my rig.

If you're dead set on spending the cash for water cooling, it would work out sweet.

At 800/2100 on the 480's the top one will easily hit 90+c, the bottom one will occasionally hit 90+c... and this has been a rather mild summer for ambient temps. At stock speeds I'll see them usually around 85c - 89c, depending on how hard they're working of course.

@Revs

It's pretty easy to fit 2 separate loops in, the HAF X is a monster. The recommendation is the 360 rad for the 480's and the 240 for the CPU?

grey_1
02-02-11, 11:24 AM
At 800/2100 on the 480's the top one will easily hit 90+c, the bottom one will occasionally hit 90+c... and this has been a rather mild summer for ambient temps. At stock speeds I'll see them usually around 85c - 89c, depending on how hard they're working of course.

@Revs

It's pretty easy to fit 2 separate loops in, the HAF X is a monster. The recommendation is the 360 rad for the 480's and the 240 for the CPU?

Yeah, I hit pretty high temps with the stock cooler on a single card too. I think it's a great card once your choice of cooling is installed. I'm running the Accelero Xtreme plus, which has been a god send on this thing. I'd love to water cool, but just don't want to spend the cash on a good loop right now.

Make sure you post pics after you do this. :)

Revs
02-02-11, 11:29 AM
It's pretty easy to fit 2 separate loops in, the HAF X is a monster. The recommendation is the 360 rad for the 480's and the 240 for the CPU?

Yeah I'd say so. A 120 works fine but a 240 works better :p

Revs
02-02-11, 04:12 PM
It's pretty easy to fit 2 separate loops in, the HAF X is a monster.

Just been checking out the case. It is indeed a monster, looks awesome, but I still can't see room internally for a 240 rad. A 360 in the top, yes, but only a 120 in the back. That would do fine, though.

Also, I recommend these (http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=7556&cat=0&page=1) fans for the rads. They're really good with static pressure and really quiet.

grey_1
02-02-11, 06:34 PM
Just been checking out the case. It is indeed a monster, looks awesome, but I still can't see room internally for a 240 rad. A 360 in the top, yes, but only a 120 in the back. That would do fine, though.

Also, I recommend these (http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/customer/product.php?productid=7556&cat=0&page=1) fans for the rads. They're really good with static pressure and really quiet.

Is that what you use Revs? I've been looking at those for my case and HSF, but the -15s, not the 14s you linked. bit higher CFM. Pricey though.

Revs
02-02-11, 06:52 PM
It's what I use on the rads, not as case fans. CFM figures are less relevant with this application really. What are these -15s? You got a link? I've tried several fans and IMO fans with 8+ wide curved blades, 1000-1500RPM work best.

As it happens I've just ordered 3 of these to use as case fans.. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gelid-solutions-wing-14-uv-blue-140mm-high-performance-case-fan

EDIT: I see the -15s are the 1850RPM ones :) Still good but I'd use a speed controller with those.

grey_1
02-02-11, 06:53 PM
It's what I use on the rads, not as case fans. CFM figures are less relevant with this application really. I've tried several fans and IMO fans with 8+ wide blades, 1000-1500RPM work best.

As it happens I've just ordered 3 of these to use as case fans.. http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gelid-solutions-wing-14-uv-blue-140mm-high-performance-case-fan

Thanks.:)

WeReWoLf
02-02-11, 06:58 PM
The fans I linked up higher claim to have a higher CFM while having a lower decibel rating at higher speeds. I'll certainly look into the Gentle Typhoons though, they look nice.

@Grey_1

It'll be a little while longer at least. Various things cropping up here and there that need to be taken care of.

grey_1
02-02-11, 07:02 PM
The fans I linked up higher claim to have a higher CFM while having a lower decibel rating at higher speeds. I'll certainly look into the Gentle Typhoons though, they look nice.

@Grey_1

It'll be a little while longer at least. Various things cropping up here and there that need to be taken care of.

I know that feeling. :lol:

This is the model I was looking at.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=24749

If I get them (probably within a couple of weeks, I'll post impressions and results.

WeReWoLf
02-02-11, 08:13 PM
Well, they've removed those waterblocks from their page and they were the last place in Aus that sold em... So now I will have to resort to Ebay or Importing.

Importing will cost about $670.

EDIT: Or I could get Swiftech MCW80 Universal GPU Waterblock (http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=207_160_878_880&products_id=15529) x2, but then I'd need to get various RAMsinks and whatnot.

Revs
02-03-11, 03:10 AM
The fans I linked up higher claim to have a higher CFM while having a lower decibel rating at higher speeds. I'll certainly look into the Gentle Typhoons though, they look nice.

The ones you linked look good actually. I'd missed them :) Might be worth just asking your supplier if he's tried them on a rad. I like the Scythe's because they have good size motors and a quality feel to them, like Noctua, and they don't seem affected by a little resistance. In fact the Noctua Vortex-Control 120 might be a good option for the rads, too, if you don't mind the colour.

The Gelid case fans I ordered should be here tomorrow, I'll let you know what I think of em :)

As for the GPU blocks. The universal ones work just as well as, if not better than, the full blocks. Plus you can just swap em to a new card when you upgrade. It's just a bit more of a mess-about with the ram-sinks and doesn't quite look as nice. I had to use one on my 260 because the full blocks were discontinued.

WeReWoLf
02-03-11, 05:16 AM
It's working out to be cheaper with the Universal Blocks and Ramsinks than with the full blocks, and upgradability is no concern... I might just go that route. When you put the universal on your 260, did you use a thermal pad/tape for the block and/or mosfet/ram?

EDIT: Well it appears you don't need RAM/Mosfet coolers for the 4XX series.

Revs
02-03-11, 05:29 AM
I used AS5 on the GPU block and the stock adhesive on the ram-sinks, which are the MC14's (http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mc14.asp). The problem there is that for the VRM chips you'll need to chop a couple in to smaller sinks. I would get some spare adhesive thermal pads as a backup because you can easily damage the stock pads while cutting the sinks up. Also, make sure you get enough sinks. My 260 needed 17 sinks, which was a PITA 'cause there are 8 in a pack :lol:

WeReWoLf
02-03-11, 06:36 AM
Yeah, no worries there... I still have about 12 floating around here somewhere.

XDanger
02-06-11, 08:19 AM
If you don't mind the sinks being permanent use this.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_alumina_thermal_adhesive.htm

Pads are crap.

But if there's a better thermal adhesive I'd like to know.

Revs
02-06-11, 08:52 AM
Yeah the pads aren't the best. Mine have bonded ok but I had a job keeping them on while they were setting.

BTW the Gelid fans are excellent case fans. On full they are just audible but put lots of air through. With the resistor slowing them down they are extremely quiet and still put a good amount of air through. They seem very good quality and UV reactive fan looks nice. Worth the money IMO.

WeReWoLf
02-06-11, 10:06 AM
Yeah, I was looking at that Thermal Adhesive whilst bored at work today. Looks like I'll be adding another 480 to the comp though, so 2 separate loops look to be the way to go LOL

grey_1
02-06-11, 05:17 PM
Yeah the pads aren't the best. Mine have bonded ok but I had a job keeping them on while they were setting.

BTW the Gelid fans are excellent case fans. On full they are just audible but put lots of air through. With the resistor slowing them down they are extremely quiet and still put a good amount of air through. They seem very good quality and UV reactive fan looks nice. Worth the money IMO.

Thanks for the feedback Revs. Been wondering about these fans, I'll add them to my list. :)