So, we'll have NV40 and Loci. Which one do you guestimate to be faster?

[aapo]

We don't yet have enough hard data to decide is nVidia's NV40 really better than ATi's Loci, or is it the other way around. So, how would you guess? I for myself tend to expect that this time nVidias chip will be faster, but only slightly.

EDIT: And, I forgot to say this: This time there's no need to flame, because it's all about personal opinions and expectations. I'd like to only know what people expect from the newcomers. No hard facts this time please! ;)

[simwiz2]

nVidia is fully aware that ATi is no small threat now, they are now "awake" after R300 and their failed NV30. I find it hard to believe that nVidia will mess up again. After all, they led the market for years, and they didn't get there by being stupid. A similar thing happened with Intel and AMD with Athlon. I think NV40 will be slightly faster, especially since IBM will be producing the GPU's.

If nVidia is slower this time, then it is clear ATi has them beat in performance, since nVidia has now had a year to react to R300.

Of course, this is all speculation, so no fanboy flames please. :)

[Paul]

I went for 'NV40 is slightly faster than R420'.

NV4x should walk PS3.0 tests, but the R420 will likely draw level (or slightly surpass) in more "standard" tests/games. High Resolution + AA/AF settings should also belong to the NV4x, unless ATi are going to really push their memory clocks (and i suspect they're not going to be as aggressive as nVidia in that department).

[digitalwanderer]

I voted for the Loki to squish the NV40. :)

I think nVidia is going to release another dud, and even if they don't I have some pretty unrealistic expectations for ATi's "tea-time" card. :cool:

[Hanners]

It's way, way too early to be able to make even a vague guess. I imagine it's going to be a very tight race though, if I had to put money on it I don't think there's going to be a clear-cut winner this time around.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Hanners
It's way, way too early to be able to make even a vague guess. I imagine it's going to be a very tight race though, if I had to put money on it I don't think there's going to be a clear-cut winner this time around.
No wimping out, if'n you want to play you gotta guess!

That's kind of the point Hanners, no one knows yet so we're just blind guessing. Pick it now and come back a year later and laugh at yourself. ;)

[Uttar]

I voted for NV40 beating the R420 slightly, but I just realized I did a mistake saying that, lol! Probably more of a mixed bag.

My guess is that it'll be a mixed bag technologically ( maybe Loki winning VS tests, but losing PS ones - not sure there though )
When I voted, I thought that the R420 would have less memory bandwidth. But now that I think about it - Hey, it'll be release one or two months later! So by being less aggressive than nVidia, well, they'd probably be taking about the same memory.

I wouldn't be surprised though if one of the cards squished the other in a very specific thing like VS or whatever, but the other won in most other theorical tests and that it'd give a mixed bag that way. Loads of ways to get a mixed bag, really.

I just doubt either nVidia or ATI will significantly lose against the other. nVidia is ready to put in a lot of budget on this, and ATI is focusing on brute force and knows nVidia really wants to hit back. Although we'll see I guess...


Uttar

[schuey74]

I think the NV40 will probably be more future proof but from the limited details we have on the R420, I would guess that it will be just brute force (as Uttar said). That's probably better for today's games, but we would need higher levels of AA & especially AF to take advantage of that power. I do think that ATI's "apparent" strategy of just pushing power now and releasing a new card w/ a lot of new features and a very different architecture in the R500 next year just sounds better. Nvidia is doing the same thing but in much more steps; nv30, nv35, nv40, etc.......

The NV50 & & R500 are going to be the next revolutionary GPUs/VPUs and I like ATI's approach until then.

[reever2]

I really dont know anything about R420 or the NV40 to say who is gonna beat who, where, and what they will win in. But I will venture a guess that the R500 will squish all of them seeing how long Ati has been working on the damn thing

[MasterBaiter]

Yep it's all pretty much personal opinion. Wish we had some more concrete info on these chips:( I would say that I am inclined to lean toward ATI having the better chip. I think it will be close though, and if anything ATI will probably have the edge only because of better image quality (still). :D

[StealthHawk]

Rougly equal. R420 will be better in some situations, NV40 in others.

[CapsLock]

oh you sad, misinformed people.... :(

It should be so very obvious to all erudite grafix junkies (the ones who know the inside dish) that the R420 is going to completely and utterly, without remose or pity, GRIND the NV40 into teenie tiny pieces...

and then EAT those pieces, and then do a bizarre victory dance...

and then have a cold alcoholic drink on some beautiful beach with countless scantily clad women. :cool2:

I have foreseen it. So let it be said....So let it be done. :afro2:

To be serious for a second, I'm a little worried about what the BitBoys have up thier sleeve.

Whatever, its a little early for this kind of speculation isn't it?

Don't we have r360, rv360, nv36, nv38 coming up, like soon????

What about them?

OK, I actually think Ati have the edge right now, so r420 15%ish faster or something like that. :confused:

Caps

[Hanners]

Of course, the other question is - Will the PowerVR Series 5 appear out of nowhere and destroy them both? :D

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by Hanners
Of course, the other question is - Will the PowerVR Series 5 appear out of nowhere and destroy them both? :D

I hope so. We need someone new to argue about.

[Geforce4ti4200]

first of all, where did you get the r500 name? the r420 isnt even out yet and how do you know there will be an r500? it may be called something else or maybe r490?

second of all, the r420 will edge over the nv40 and itll be clocked a little lower too. Just check the 9800 pro vs fx5900u

anyway reguardless of the outcome, I hope its singnifically faster than the 9800 pro

[Hanners]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
first of all, where did you get the r500 name? the r420 isnt even out yet and how do you know there will be an r500? it may be called something else or maybe r490?

R500 has been on the ATi roadmap for quite some time, from what I've heard ATI have always targeted that core as 'the big one' that'll be truly revolutionary in a lot of ways.

Of course, things may change over time, but it's been ATi's long-term target for a while as I understand it.

[aapo]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
second of all, the r420 will edge over the nv40 and itll be clocked a little lower too. Just check the 9800 pro vs fx5900u


It may not be as simple as a linear prediction over the current generation. I'm waiting for surprises from both camps, so IMHO the outcome of the new chips is pretty unpredictable at the moment.

Aaggh, the Waiting is already killing me, and there's still many moons left to wait!
:afro2:

[volt]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
second of all, the r420 will edge over the nv40 and itll be clocked a little lower too. Just check the 9800 pro vs fx5900u

That's not true for R420. You are comparing .15u (R9800) vs .13u (5900) processes.

[Dazz]

I picked the R420 will be slightly faster then the NV40, why? because ATi cards have allways been at least 2x in the speed of the following generation.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Originally posted by Hanners
Of course, the other question is - Will the PowerVR Series 5 appear out of nowhere and destroy them both? :D

That would be great :eek: :D

[The Baron]

NV40 will probably be slightly faster in most things. Plus, is R420 going to stay FP24 only, or will it move to FP32 only, or will it used partial precision?

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Hanners
R500 has been on the ATi roadmap for quite some time, from what I've heard ATI have always targeted that core as 'the big one' that'll be truly revolutionary in a lot of ways.

Of course, things may change over time, but it's been ATi's long-term target for a while as I understand it.


r360 is radeon9900 pro comming by xmas
r400 was cancled, would have came in q2 2004
r420 "Loci" may come xmas 2004
r440? may come q2 2005
r480? may come by xmas 2005
r500, "big one" probably will hit somewhere in 2006

at this point, the 9700 pro may be as low as $100 but $130 would be common for those.


wasnt the Loci supposed to be ati's big moment? :confused:


"and there's still many moons left to wait!"


howl at each full moon :p


"That's not true for R420. You are comparing .15u (R9800) vs .13u (5900) processes."


the r420 should also be .13 but probably gonna be clocked lower than the .13 nv40



ah tis a long wait
:afro2:

[The Baron]

have you gotten 2003 and 2004 confused?

[Paul]

He has.

Loki is Q1 2004, R500 is 2005.

[The Baron]

C'mon everybody, join in the pointing and laughing!