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Madpistol
02-06-11, 02:10 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=343&name=Processors-Desktops&Order=RATING

That's why. An E8400 is $10 more than a Phenom II 965. At stock, the 965 is faster. Add to that the 2 extra cores, and AMD's offerings becomes a home run on the value front.

My question is why has this happened? Are the prices on Core 2 CPU's going up? What a waste of money! :headexplode:

K007
02-06-11, 03:19 AM
y buy c2d when i7 second generation is out?

also old generation stuff might become more expensive as it is harder to find brand new ones since they are no longer being made.

Muppet
02-06-11, 04:06 AM
Stuff like that is pretty normal. Hardware for an old platform suddenly gets expensive because it's not widely available anymore. Some shops still have products and they want to make money from the customers still in need for the old tech. For example AGP graphics cards or older RAM modules.

Not sure if this applies in this case but it might be an explanation...

I would say you have hit the nail on the head there.

grey_1
02-06-11, 06:07 AM
I would say you have hit the nail on the head there.

+1

I've been debating upgrading to SB and giving my wife my 955BE and mobo - so I was just pricing the 8400s to see what I might get for hers. Surprised the heck out of me :lol:

Good to know though. She has my old 8400 and my brother has my old 8500, thing is they're still viable platforms too....

Madpistol
02-06-11, 09:40 AM
socket 775 still performs very well considering its age, but the fact that a slower dual core costs more than a superior quad core is beyond me. I know about economics and supply/demand, and that when the supplies run low, the demand rises, and the price spikes. Still, it doesn't make sense. The Phenom II's are competing directly with the core 2's and the low-mid core i3/i5/i7. In that regard the Phenom II's are a steal!

As for SB, it's not really a viable option until intel gets their SATA controller fixed and gets their motherboards back on the market.

jcrox
02-06-11, 10:43 AM
socket 775 still performs very well considering its age, but the fact that a slower dual core costs more than a superior quad core is beyond me.

It makes sense to me that 2GB of DDR memory costs $93. There is legacy technology out there that people don't want to completely overhaul so they pay a premium for getting out-dated memory.

The processors being priced that way doesn't make any sense to me. If you can put an E8500 in a board you can put a Q9400 in that board too.

The only thing I can think of is they keep the price there because, while they really don't sell any, if they should happen to come across some person that just doesn't know any better... why not make as much money as you can off of them?

mailman2
02-06-11, 02:14 PM
You want to know why I buy AMD CPUs?

Because they are cheaper and you don't mine never having the fastest system. Personally, unless AMD takes the crown by a measurable amount I'd never use AMD again.

Madpistol
02-06-11, 04:31 PM
You want to know why I buy AMD CPUs?

Because they are cheaper and you don't mine never having the fastest system. Personally, unless AMD takes the crown by a measurable amount I'd never use AMD again.

AMD didn't screw up their SATA controller. As for not having the fastest system, back when I bought this system, the i7 980x was the king @ $1000. No offense, but I was ok with not having the fastest considering that I was able to buy a motherboard, 4GB ram, a PII 965, and an HD 5870, and save $200 for a new power supply for the amount of money it would have taken me to buy that CPU. Speed comes at a price, and I'm completely fine with building a system with the money I saved.

How's that 2600k treating you? :p

Roadhog
02-06-11, 04:32 PM
troll thread is troll?

Bah!
02-06-11, 04:50 PM
How's that 2600k treating you? :p


I'd say it's treating him fine, considering he's got it at 4.8 in his sig. Mine's doing quite well also, thank you.

I guess you don't realize this, but the SATA problem is only with the 3g sata ports, which means you can use the 6g ports just fine.

Right now if you can find a Sandy Bridge MB and chip, it's one of the best values on the market. I got my MB for $100 off Amazon due to this defect which would never effect me in the first place!

$300 for a 5ghz beast that blows the doors off everything else on the market is what I call value.

Madpistol
02-06-11, 04:58 PM
troll thread is troll?

Actually I just wanted to point out the prices of those products. It wasn't meant as an attack on anyone, especially the new SB i5/i7 CPU's. If I was building a system right now, I would be buying a 2500k. Why not? It's a fantastic CPU!

If people want to make comments bashing AMD, I'm willing to defend my purchase from over a year ago. :)




And I know the 6gb ports aren't affected, but in stock form, there's only 2 of them. I have 2 HDD's and an SSD, so that presents a problem for a lot of enthusiasts. I'm glad Intel is fixing the problem, but I wish it hadn't happened in the first place.


Mods can close this thread if they like. I never meant it as flamebaiting or whatever. I was simply pointing out the prices on newegg.

Roadhog
02-06-11, 05:13 PM
Nah, its fine. :p

I don't mind AMD cpu's at all. I guess if I was going for performance on a budget I would seriously consider one. But right now they are pretty far behind in the performance category compared to Intel. I'm hoping that Bulldozer changes that though.

Bah!
02-06-11, 05:38 PM
And I know the 6gb ports aren't affected, but in stock form, there's only 2 of them. I have 2 HDD's and an SSD, so that presents a problem for a lot of enthusiasts. I'm glad Intel is fixing the problem, but I wish it hadn't happened in the first place.


Yeah, it's a crappy problem. Luckily mine has 3 6g ports so I'm covered.

I probably shouldn't have upgraded in the first place, considering my i7 920 was doing fine, but I couldn't resist. :)

grey_1
02-06-11, 05:55 PM
Actually I just wanted to point out the prices of those products. It wasn't meant as an attack on anyone, especially the new SB i5/i7 CPU's. If I was building a system right now, I would be buying a 2500k. Why not? It's a fantastic CPU!

If people want to make comments bashing AMD, I'm willing to defend my purchase from over a year ago. :)




And I know the 6gb ports aren't affected, but in stock form, there's only 2 of them. I have 2 HDD's and an SSD, so that presents a problem for a lot of enthusiasts. I'm glad Intel is fixing the problem, but I wish it hadn't happened in the first place.


Mods can close this thread if they like. I never meant it as flamebaiting or whatever. I was simply pointing out the prices on newegg.

It isn't flamebaiting at all. My 955BE may not be near the performer an over clocked i7 is, but it handles my gaming just fine, especially when the pennies on the dollar I paid for my system is taken into account.

My next upgrade will almost certainly be intel, but I can't complain at all about the bang for the buck I've gotten from AMD.

betterdan
02-06-11, 06:45 PM
To answer the question, no I didn't want to know why you buy AMD. Thanks for telling me though.

Bearclaw
02-06-11, 08:00 PM
My current rig (on my sig) is the first Intel rig I have built. I love AMD. They offer consistent, comparable results to Intel at a much better cost.

mailman2
02-06-11, 08:21 PM
How's that 2600k treating you? :p

I opted for a 2500k. I'm even using the so called bugged ports. 5% over 3 years will fail. I won't have this nearly that long anyways!

I'm at 4.8Ghz stable now, going for 5.0 next :) I love this thing!!! newegg will replace the board in a month or so when they get the new ones. No big deal imo.

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5967/48ghz.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/48ghz.jpg/)

Madpistol
02-06-11, 08:24 PM
I'm at 4.8Ghz stable now, going for 5.0 next :) I love this thing!!!

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5967/48ghz.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/48ghz.jpg/)

That's really nice. Go for 5.3-5.5Ghz. That seems to be the golden target for that chip. The fact that it's watercooled, you should be able to push it to 5.7 or more. :)

mailman2
02-06-11, 08:30 PM
That's really nice. Go for 5.3-5.5Ghz. That seems to be the golden target for that chip. The fact that it's watercooled, you should be able to push it to 5.7 or more. :)

Thanks! I don't want to kill it with voltage though. I'm actually really happy with volts / heat at 4.8Ghz. Will try for 5.0 but it if needs a lot more voltage I'll probably stick with 4.8.

Madpistol
02-06-11, 08:33 PM
What's considered the max voltage for that CPU?

Starscream
02-06-11, 09:13 PM
You want to know why I buy AMD CPUs?

Nope.

(nana2)

mailman2
02-07-11, 08:11 AM
What's considered the max voltage for that CPU?

1.35 - 1.52v. It varies depending on the forum and who you ask. No one is really sure. Its 32nm so I'm comfortable under 1.4v for 24/7 overclock.

Check this out...these things are so freakin' fast I love it!!

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/6164/126201111363720pm.th.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/126201111363720pm.jpg/)

snowmanwithahat
02-07-11, 02:02 PM
Not to be a complete dick... but the dual core 775's have been EOL for 3 years now. Of course their prices will go up. Also, heard it all before, "value"... Better than the low and mid range offerings at the same price.

You know why intel prices the i7 series so expensive? ... there's no competition. Seriously, there's no competition in speed and overclocking potential. If you compare a "high end" part from each manufacturer it's not even a comparison.

Also... I have used an AMD before, Had an Opteron 165. It was my first (only) dual core and was great.... Great "value". I was also in highschool and had no money. I also bought this Q6600 for the same price as that 165.... You know why? "Value" .... AMD had no comparable offering at $165 when I bought this cpu. Their Phenom II line wasn't out and everything about the AMD lineup sucked.

So yes, you're right.... for now. The value meter will shift back to intel eventually and truthfully AMD only grabs that "value" win when they're at their best... at their worst, 3-4 years ago, when they don't have a competing product they're just flat out the cheapest with no comparable value per dollar.