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Peoples-Agent
02-09-11, 04:47 AM
Hi folks,

Swapping out 6870 Crossfire for 570 GTX SLI tomorrow.

Mainly because when multi gpu doesn't work, the extra beef of the 570 will come in handy. Also have a new monitor and I want to dabble with 3D.

Couple of ?s. Physx support in games, do you feel the benefits are worth it? Say losing one of the pair to Physx in Just Cause 2, Mafia 2 etc ?

Also, what drivers are the current "happy" set?

Rollo
02-09-11, 06:41 AM
Hi folks,

Swapping out 6870 Crossfire for 570 GTX SLI tomorrow.

Mainly because when multi gpu doesn't work, the extra beef of the 570 will come in handy. Also have a new monitor and I want to dabble with 3D.

Couple of ?s. Physx support in games, do you feel the benefits are worth it? Say losing one of the pair to Physx in Just Cause 2, Mafia 2 etc ?

Also, what drivers are the current "happy" set?

You don't lose one GPU when running SLi for PhysX. The PhysX runs one one GPU, but the graphics load is still balanced across both.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_faq.html

I like PhysX. It's not the deal maker/breaker 3d Vision is for me, but the effects are a nice extra in games and in general anything that adds realism to the scene increases immersion.

As for the drivers, just use what's on the website now. It's pretty rare that there is a problem with NVIDIA drivers.

Peoples-Agent
02-09-11, 07:48 AM
Awesome, that's good to know. Be glad to be back tbh!!! No more blasted CAPs.

Madpistol
02-09-11, 08:57 AM
A GTX 570 will be a nice upgrade for sure.

As for Physx support, it's not all that great. It's just a gimmick. You should be looking forward to the extra power, though.

Peoples-Agent
02-09-11, 11:28 AM
I'm just happy to be on the green side of things again with drivers I trust.

mcbacker
02-09-11, 12:33 PM
Just moved from a 5970 and ****3d drivers to a pair of GTX 570... ATI/AMD screwed the latest Catalysts.

Peoples-Agent
02-09-11, 03:50 PM
Just moved from a 5970 and ****3d drivers to a pair of GTX 570... ATI/AMD screwed the latest Catalysts.

Play the odd few mainstream games and your fine with the Catalyst. You play a wide range of games, including older stuff, and your pretty much screwed. They manage to break random things between releases completely out of the blue. It's got to be down to their profile system, the bodged CAP 1 release for the 11.1s pretty much summed it up.

Shame, but what can you do.

Madpistol
02-09-11, 04:23 PM
Play the odd few mainstream games and your fine with the Catalyst. You play a wide range of games, including older stuff, and your pretty much screwed. They manage to break random things between releases completely out of the blue. It's got to be down to their profile system, the bodged CAP 1 release for the 11.1s pretty much summed it up.

Shame, but what can you do.

I had the same intermittent gaming problems with certain Nvidia cards over the years (see FX 5900 and 9800 GTX+). The HD 4870 and 5870 have been virtually problem free for all the games I've played, which extends all the way back to 2001.

I guess it's luck of the draw when it's all said and done.


EDIT: BTW, I know Rollo responded to this post. I can't see his posts.

Rollo
02-09-11, 08:54 PM
A GTX 570 will be a nice upgrade for sure.

As for Physx support, it's not all that great. It's just a gimmick. You should be looking forward to the extra power, though.

Ever notice how 90% of the guys who say PhysX is a gimmick don't own a NVIDIA card?

Wonder if there's some correlation there?

Ninja Prime
02-09-11, 10:14 PM
Ever notice how 90% of the guys who say PhysX is a gimmick don't own a NVIDIA card?

Wonder if there's some correlation there?

I've owned 3 NV cards of my last 4 and I haven't found a single game with PhysX that I wanted to play, or was already playing that I could enable it on... gimmick. From current and past NV owner.

Madpistol
02-09-11, 10:34 PM
For reference, I own a 9800 GTX+. I even have a 9600 GT that I could use as a Physx card.

And I agree with Ninja on this one. If Physx wasn't a gimmick, it would be on far more titles than it is right now. It's had more than enough time to gain developer support, and it's still in a very small minority of games. The fact that it's only supported by Nvidia products and the fact that it's directed at the enthusiast market (see "buy a dedicated Physx card") makes it a hard sell to developers.

jcrox
02-10-11, 12:06 AM
Ever notice how 90% of the guys who say PhysX is a gimmick don't own a NVIDIA card?

Wonder if there's some correlation there?

And outside of Batman:AA name me some "must play" games where PhysX plays a role in the gaming experience.

It's a gimmick and I've never owned a single ATI card in my life.

Roadhog
02-10-11, 12:11 AM
Ever notice how 90% of the guys who say PhysX is a gimmick don't own a NVIDIA card?

Wonder if there's some correlation there?

Nope, I used to have an 8800GTX for physx. Then nvidia added DRM to their drivers so it wouldn't work in my system any more. So I just removed it because I only had like one game that used it so I figured theres no point in letting it sit there wasting power. Just gave it to my friend after that. lol

Peoples-Agent
02-10-11, 12:23 AM
I had the same intermittent gaming problems with certain Nvidia cards over the years (see FX 5900 and 9800 GTX+). The HD 4870 and 5870 have been virtually problem free for all the games I've played, which extends all the way back to 2001.

I guess it's luck of the draw when it's all said and done.


EDIT: BTW, I know Rollo responded to this post. I can't see his posts.

Alot of problems can apparently be solved by going back to the 10.5 drivers. Unfortunately, my 6870s don't support them. That was the kicker I guess.

Madpistol
02-10-11, 12:34 AM
Alot of problems can apparently be solved by going back to the 10.5 drivers. Unfortunately, my 6870s don't support them. That was the kicker I guess.

That's why I think it's fine that you got dual GTX 570's. For some reason, AMD's drivers are not very good for the HD 6 series. It's especially bad for some CrossfireX users at the moment. I hope they get their act together soon. Ever since I got my 5870, I've seen a 10-15% increase in performance over time as their drivers have gotten better. For example, when I got Dirt 2, I could run the game @ 1920x1200, 4xAA, ultra settings and I got an average of 50 FPS on virtually every track. Now, I can run 1920x1200, 8xAA, and ultra settings, and I can set the game to Vsync because the framerate will stay pegged @ 60 FPS. It is a phenomenal experience now that they've gotten their drivers fully optimized.

I just hope they're able to pull the same miracle with their newer cards, too. Regardless of what people say about AMD's drivers, they suck... until they get it right. When they get it right, boy do they get it right. On the good drivers, I've had far less problems than I did with either my 8800 GTX or 9800 GTX+ in both XP and W7. While Nvidia's drivers would crash/blue screen once a day, AMD's drivers have NEVER cause a BSOD on either XP or W7 since I've used them.

AMD knows how to write drivers. It's those few bad ones that makes people hate them. Of course, Nvidia isn't perfect either (like the original Far Cry on a Geforce FX card, or Nvidia's 196.75 driver that killed cards by bugging the fan controller profile) It truly is luck of the draw. ;)

Muppet
02-10-11, 12:54 AM
That's why I think it's fine that you got dual GTX 570's. For some reason, AMD's drivers are not very good for the HD 6 series. It's especially bad for some CrossfireX users at the moment. I hope they get their act together soon. Ever since I got my 5870, I've seen a 10-15% increase in performance over time as their drivers have gotten better. For example, when I got Dirt 2, I could run the game @ 1920x1200, 4xAA, ultra settings and I got an average of 50 FPS on virtually every track. Now, I can run 1920x1200, 8xAA, and ultra settings, and I can set the game to Vsync because the framerate will stay pegged @ 60 FPS. It is a phenomenal experience now that they've gotten their drivers fully optimized.

I just hope they're able to pull the same miracle with their newer cards, too. Regardless of what people say about AMD's drivers, they suck... until they get it right. When they get it right, boy do they get it right. On the good drivers, I've had far less problems than I did with either my 8800 GTX or 9800 GTX+ in both XP and W7. While Nvidia's drivers would crash/blue screen once a day, AMD's drivers have NEVER cause a BSOD on either XP or W7 since I've used them.

AMD knows how to write drivers. It's those few bad ones that makes people hate them. Of course, Nvidia isn't perfect either (like the original Far Cry on a Geforce FX card, or Nvidia's 196.75 driver that killed cards by bugging the fan controller profile) It truly is luck of the draw. ;)

I agree. As I have posted i thought the 263.09 Nvidia drivers were buggy. I also didn't like there performance that much. I had multiple "drive has stopped responding and recovered" I haven't had one of those in years before that. It used to be very common.

Rollo
02-10-11, 07:22 AM
And outside of Batman:AA name me some "must play" games where PhysX plays a role in the gaming experience.

It's a gimmick and I've never owned a single ATI card in my life.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/cryostasis-the-sleep-of-reason

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mafia-ii

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mirrors-edge

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/metro-2033

No problem. There are four PhysX games that critics and hundreds of users ranked as better than average games. I enjoyed all these games, and Batman AA. If I would have played them on an ATi card, they would have looked like they do on my son's consoles.

PhysX makes games look better, no matter what some would say. For example:

http://www.gamingheaven.com/gamingreviews.php?reviewid=879&pageid=2

The usual standard of Unreal 3 based visuals. Enhanced greatly by NVIDIA’s PhysX for those who have compatible hardware.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/batman-arkham-asylum,2465-11.html

However, when PhysX is enabled, it adds superlative nuances and really creates some “wow” moments. The chunky explosions, cloth effects, paper, fog, and environmental detail enhancements are very cool.

I could post links to more reviewers saying the PhysX effects make the games look better, but you get the point.

There may not be 100s of games with PhysX, but I have a dozen and enjoyed half of them.

ATi has been promising GPU accelerated physics and that they would "do it better" for over five years now and they have done exactly nothing. Not one game to show for their hollow promises because they are too poor to bring the ideas they follow NVIDIA on to market.
Yes, NVIDIA accelerated Havok first back in the day.

You guys can apologize for ATi all you want, but at the end of the day, they don't deliver. They would give their proverbial "left nut" to have their marketing be able to say they have a dozen hardware physics games out, but all they can do is yell about open standards and complain that Intel and NVIDIA locked them out. ATi considered buying Havok and PhysX as well, and was either outbid or didn't come to the table. They hoped Intel would let them use Havok for free instead.

Sort of like they hope others will help them with 3d, and look at the mess that turned out to be. Only on TVs in North America, and 24fps limits at 1080p.

Revs
02-10-11, 07:29 AM
PhysX adds something worth having in Metro and B:AA, but with Mirrors Edge and others I've played it's a bit meh. GenL still working sweet here :)

Peoples-Agent
02-10-11, 11:12 AM
Here's a spanner in the works.

Both cards and screen flickering on and off with a nlvkdmwtf error. Format PC, same prob in SLI or or single. One theory is that this particular card has tendency to sit higher in slots so the outer edge of the DVI cable touches the case causing this issue.

Both sent back. Two EVGA 570 SC ordered. If these don't work I'm taking up heroin and anarchy.

Roadhog
02-10-11, 12:22 PM
Here's a spanner in the works.

Both cards and screen flickering on and off with a nlvkdmwtf error. Format PC, same prob in SLI or or single. One theory is that this particular card has tendency to sit higher in slots so the outer edge of the DVI cable touches the case causing this issue.

Both sent back. Two EVGA 570 SC ordered. If these don't work I'm taking up heroin and anarchy.

Man, your luck with GPU's suck.

Maverick123w
02-10-11, 12:48 PM
Man, your luck with GPU's suck.

What he said

Rollo
02-10-11, 12:57 PM
PhysX adds something worth having in Metro and B:AA, but with Mirrors Edge and others I've played it's a bit meh. GenL still working sweet here :)

And this is the point I am trying to make.

I'm not saying that PhysX, 3DVision Surround, 3d Vision or forcing ambient occlusion work perfectly in every game, or even most games. It's all over the board how much they add to the experience, and even that will be subjective to the player.

For you, Batman AA and Metro 2033 were improved by PhysX, and maybe a game or two released this year will be as well.

I played Mafia 2 all the way through in 3d Vision Surround with PhysX on.

My son loves Mirrors Edge and might like it less without the glass and cloth effects.

What we all have in common is using these features was possible because NVIDIA brought them to games for their customers. Our experinence wouldn't have been as good playing the games on ATi cards.

As the NVIDIA cards offer comparable performance at comparable prices, why would anyone lock themselves out of features that you can find people saying all over the net they like?

What does ATi offer you in return for locking yourself out of all the NVIDIA features that you can't get on ATi cards?

Single GPU EyeFinity? Hate to break it to you all, but I've been doing some 1080P surround gaming with two 2GB GTX560s, and I can tell you going down the power ladder wasn't what I would hope for. The two 560s are a lot more powerful than a 6970, and I found I had to make choices at times on whether I could run AA or not, or 3d, depending on the game.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_560_Ti_SLI/23.html

In a nutshell, I'd say the 560s at 1080P surround surprised me at how much they could do, but I was never thinking "Man these things are so powerful you could probably run a 20+ % slower 6970 and be just as happy!". Eyefinity/Surround take some serious graphics power, I think that single GPU Eyefinity is a myth except for 2d desktop IMO.

When you take that out of the equation, what does ATi have left to offer gamers as a reason to buy their parts over NVIDIA's? Pipedreams of OpenCL physics to come? High school science project 3d gaming? Blur-o-Vision MLAA?

Madpistol
02-10-11, 02:01 PM
Here's a spanner in the works.

Both cards and screen flickering on and off with a nlvkdmwtf error. Format PC, same prob in SLI or or single. One theory is that this particular card has tendency to sit higher in slots so the outer edge of the DVI cable touches the case causing this issue.

Both sent back. Two EVGA 570 SC ordered. If these don't work I'm taking up heroin and anarchy.

Dude... that just blows. :(

Is it possible that other components may be your issue? faulty RAM? CPU? Bad motherboard? The GPU isn't the only component in your computer that could go bad. I've had 2 sets of ram go bad in the last 8 months, and that caused everything from game freezing to an unstable desktop that would crash every couple minutes. It's only once I got some RAM that was rated for higher voltage (1.6V) that I finally stopped killing memory. In this case, it was a motherboard issue because I couldn't set the memory voltage below 1.6V, and the memory was rated for 1.5V.

Anyway, hope you get it figured out bud. Having to change out hardware constantly really sucks. :(

Peoples-Agent
02-11-11, 01:53 AM
Man, your luck with GPU's suck.

Tell me about it. Very gentle with this kit, format between installs to make sure and just no luck at all.

The strange thing is, one of the boxes had been opened. The card itself was sealed but soon as I took it out the anti static wrapper you could see a clear dent on the top. Alarm bells right away.

Changed supplier now, gone for EVGA Superclocked Editions. See how I get on with those.

Tbh, if you look at the clocks on those Palit SPs, seems almighty beefy considering they were cheaper than most reference cards. I should have known.

Peoples-Agent
02-11-11, 01:57 AM
Dude... that just blows. :(

Is it possible that other components may be your ispsue? faulty RAM? CPU? Bad motherboard? The GPU isn't the only component in your computer that could go bad. I've had 2 sets of ram go bad in the last 8 months, and that caused everything from game freezing to an unstable desktop that would crash every couple minutes. It's only once I got some RAM that was rated for higher voltage (1.6V) that I finally stopped killing memory. In this case, it was a motherboard issue because I couldn't set the memory voltage below 1.6V, and the memory was rated for 1.5V.

Anyway, hope you get it figured out bud. Having to change out hardware constantly really sucks. :(

Not too long ago I stripped everything down, on rebuilding tested the ram, the CPU was running in low to mid 30s and never got too hot on load, invested in a stronger PSU to make sure that was covered. (Corsair AX1200).

Far as stability went the 6870s were fine, simply the driver issues that I wanted to get away from and have back the ability to create SLI profiles.

Got to say, the Palit SPs did get alot hotter than expected and thats just in Windows. Very strange.

Just have to see how it goes with the EVGA ones today otherwise im throwing in the towel. lol Take up fishing.