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Intel17
02-16-11, 09:18 AM
Hi all,

Building yet another PC for a friend. Budget of $700, so I've tentatively picked the following:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 (3.4GHz)
ASRock M3A770DE
GeForce GTX 465 1GB
1TB Hitachi HDD 7200RPM
4GB Corsair DDR3-1333

Will this be a pretty future-proof gaming rig?

ViN86
02-16-11, 10:02 AM
I'd probably go 1155. There will be future Ivy Bridge releases on it as well. Better future proofing imo.

I'm spec'ing out a Sandy Bridge rig atm, here's what I have looked at.

Case/PSU: $150 budget
Memory: Corsair XMS 4GB DDR3-1333 Ultra Stable $50
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67-M LGA 1155 Intel P67 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $130
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) $190
Vid: $200 budget

I didn't pick a case/psu or a video card, but I put in a decent budget for those items. Without the monitor, it's about $720.

Intel17
02-16-11, 10:57 AM
The total I've got in the cart is about $670, so going to SB would balloon both the mobo and the CPU costs, and that's just not possible =/

Intel's stuff is great if you have tons of money, but for a gaming PC, I find going with AMD is sufficient (so I can pump $ into the gfx card).

ragejg
02-16-11, 11:23 AM
Great build. A 3.4 x4 + a GF100 card = pretty top-of-the-line performance. Although the 465 gets a bad rap it's still quite adept at handling newer games, and like the Phenom it stretches its legs really nicely when given a bit more than a modest OC.

MAYBE, just maybe go for an x3 instead, and you'll likely be able to either unlock AND OC to 3.4, or you'll at least be able to OC it @ x3 to 3.4... and you'll save some coin on GPU so you could maybe get a GTX 560 or 470 instead.

Moshing
02-16-11, 12:29 PM
Great build. A 3.4 x4 + a GF100 card = pretty top-of-the-line performance. Although the 465 gets a bad rap it's still quite adept at handling newer games, and like the Phenom it stretches its legs really nicely when given a bit more than a modest OC.

MAYBE, just maybe go for an x3 instead, and you'll likely be able to either unlock AND OC to 3.4, or you'll at least be able to OC it @ x3 to 3.4... and you'll save some coin on GPU so you could maybe get a GTX 560 or 470 instead.

The X3 is EOL. While you can still find some, AMD is not making them anymore. All of them have been discontinued.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1336491914&postcount=1

nekrosoft13
02-16-11, 12:42 PM
Will this be a pretty future-proof gaming rig?

wouldn't call it future-proof, but a ok budget rig.

mullet
02-16-11, 12:43 PM
I'd probably go 1155. There will be future Ivy Bridge releases on it as well. Better future proofing imo.

I'm spec'ing out a Sandy Bridge rig atm, here's what I have looked at.

Case/PSU: $150 budget
Memory: Corsair XMS 4GB DDR3-1333 Ultra Stable $50
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67-M LGA 1155 Intel P67 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $130
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) $190
Vid: $200 budget

I didn't pick a case/psu or a video card, but I put in a decent budget for those items. Without the monitor, it's about $720.

+1

Vardant
02-16-11, 12:44 PM
Phenom II X4 955 is also unlocked and the OC headroom should be the same, use the saved money to buy a better GPU. Unless you're targeting a specific GTX 465, that can be unlocked to 470.

nekrosoft13
02-16-11, 12:59 PM
I'd probably go 1155. There will be future Ivy Bridge releases on it as well. Better future proofing imo.

I'm spec'ing out a Sandy Bridge rig atm, here's what I have looked at.

Case/PSU: $150 budget
Memory: Corsair XMS 4GB DDR3-1333 Ultra Stable $50
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67-M LGA 1155 Intel P67 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $130
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) $190
Vid: $200 budget

I didn't pick a case/psu or a video card, but I put in a decent budget for those items. Without the monitor, it's about $720.

+2 much better choice

ViN86
02-16-11, 01:12 PM
The total I've got in the cart is about $670, so going to SB would balloon both the mobo and the CPU costs, and that's just not possible =/

Intel's stuff is great if you have tons of money, but for a gaming PC, I find going with AMD is sufficient (so I can pump $ into the gfx card).
You said "futureproof". When I think futureproof, I think something that will last 2-3 years and can be upgraded if need be. Socket 1155's EOL won't be for 2 years at least, and AM3+/Bulldozer is around the corner, meaning EOL for the parts you spec'd out.

Post your cart. Without a monitor, a $700 SB rig is completely feasible.

Honestly, I wouldn't buy an AM3 rig right now. It's foolish. With AM3+ and Bulldozer around the corner, and Sandy Bridge out with Ivy Bridge on its way, it doesn't make sense. And Bulldozer chips are not compatible with AM3, so that's not an option.

Moshing
02-16-11, 03:36 PM
You said "futureproof". When I think futureproof, I think something that will last 2-3 years and can be upgraded if need be. Socket 1155's EOL won't be for 2 years at least, and AM3+/Sledgehammer is around the corner, meaning EOL for the parts you spec'd out.

Post your cart. Without a monitor, a $700 SB rig is completely feasible.

Honestly, I wouldn't buy an AM3 rig right now. It's foolish. With AM3+ and Sledgehammer around the corner, and Sandy Bridge out with Ivy Bridge on its way, it doesn't make sense. And Sledgehammer chips are not compatible with AM3, so that's not an option.

You mean Bulldozer? Sledgehammer was from K8 generation, WAY back.

ViN86
02-16-11, 03:37 PM
You mean Bulldozer? Sledgehammer was from K8 generation, WAY back.

Oh my bad. Yes bulldozer. Showing my age there. (crazy)

Hopefully Bulldozer gains ground on Intel like Sledgehammer did lol.

Moshing
02-16-11, 04:14 PM
Hopefully Bulldozer gains ground on Intel like Sledgehammer did lol.

Those were indeed the days. But I'm not holding my breath for a repeat. Sledgehammer was kick-butt indeed, but it had an advantage that Bulldozer does not. Intel making a crap Mhz inflated, power sucking dog to compete against. Bulldozer has Sandy Bridge to deal with, and not counting the SATA bug, that's a pretty formidable foe to have to face. Sandy Bridge also likes to inflate clock speeds like the late competitor to Sledgehammer did, but actually does something useful with those clocks :p

nekrosoft13
02-16-11, 04:35 PM
plus sandy bridge big sister will be released soon

Bah!
02-16-11, 08:40 PM
You said "futureproof". When I think futureproof, I think something that will last 2-3 years and can be upgraded if need be. Socket 1155's EOL won't be for 2 years at least, and AM3+/Bulldozer is around the corner, meaning EOL for the parts you spec'd out.

Post your cart. Without a monitor, a $700 SB rig is completely feasible.

Honestly, I wouldn't buy an AM3 rig right now. It's foolish. With AM3+ and Bulldozer around the corner, and Sandy Bridge out with Ivy Bridge on its way, it doesn't make sense. And Bulldozer chips are not compatible with AM3, so that's not an option.

Agreed.

Anyone building an entirely new system right now who doesn't go SB is crazy. The only way I'd buy anything else is if I was upgrading stuff to go into an already built PC. The price argument doesn't water anymore, and nothing else in the same price range is even close to being as good.

$700 will buy everything in OP's post to build a SB system. Bottom line, no, that's not a good build.

mullet
02-16-11, 11:10 PM
If I were upgrading today I would get a i7, triple channel, X58 matured chipset and Bios. A i7 system would last many years before upgrade.

Moshing
02-17-11, 09:57 AM
If I were upgrading today I would get a i7, triple channel, X58 matured chipset and Bios. A i7 system would last many years before upgrade.

That's totally a matter of opinion. I've already upgraded them three times since i7 originally launched on X58 2 years ago. From an i7 920 to a 860 to a 2600K. And the 2600K is only expected to have to last a year on it's own since Sandy Bridge -E and then Ivy Bridge are coming next.

Heinz68
02-17-11, 12:56 PM
If I were upgrading today I would get a i7, triple channel, X58 matured chipset and Bios. A i7 system would last many years before upgrade.
Why upgrade to about 3 years old platform which doesn't have any more upgrade option and will therefore fast loose any value?
Why upgrade to slower platform? The Sandy Bridge i7-2600 owns just about all the X58 chipset CPUs and trading punches with the $1000 i7 980X EE. Actualy the i7-2600 winning most of them.

There was not much reason to buy x58, (LGA 1366 socket) platform after Intel intruced the Lynnfield, except if somebody needed for some bussines use the 6 core Bloomfield, read The Best Just Got Cheaper (http://www.hardcoreware.net/intel-core-i7-core-i5-lynnfield/).

Here (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/22) is what Anand Lal Shimpi said when reviewing the performace Sandy Bridge i7-2600K, i5-2500K, in the conclusion.
Lynnfield took away a lot of the reason to buy an X58 system as it delivered most of the performance with much more affordable motherboards; Sandy Bridge all but puts the final nail in X58's coffin.
Actually "the best just got cheaper" can also be said about the Sandy Bridge i7-2600K, i5-2500K Performance CPUs some people wrongly call Mainstrem CPUs.

And the 2600K is only expected to have to last a year on it's own since Sandy Bridge -E and then Ivy Bridge are coming next.
The Sandy Bridge Performance CPUs i7-2600K, i5-2500K is just about the best upgrade for anybody looking for reasonable priced performance upgrade. The Sandy Bridge P67 and H67 boards will support Ivy Bridge 22nm Performance CPUs upgrade, read here (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159419). I know it's Fuad but most hardware site reported the same.

Sandy Bridge -E rumored for H2 2011 is going to be expensive upgrade with Enthusiast and Extreme CPUs. Most likely few people are ready to spend so much money when the Ivy Bridge Performance CPUs rumored for H1 2012 might be as fast and cheaper.

Lets also not forget the AMD Bulldozer expected for H2 2011 might be great and better priced enthusiast upgrade, we just have to wait for the benchmarks.

Moshing
02-17-11, 05:53 PM
The Sandy Bridge Performance CPUs i7-2600K, i5-2500K is just about the best upgrade for anybody looking for reasonable priced performance upgrade. The Sandy Bridge P67 and H67 boards will support Ivy Bridge 22nm Performance CPUs upgrade, read here (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=159419). I know it's Fuad but most hardware site reported the same.

Sandy Bridge -E rumored for H2 2011 is going to be expensive upgrade with Enthusiast and Extreme CPUs. Most likely few people are ready to spend so much money when the Ivy Bridge Performance CPUs rumored for H1 2012 might be as fast and cheaper.

Lets also not forget the AMD Bulldozer expected for H2 2011 might be great and better priced enthusiast upgrade, we just have to wait for the benchmarks.

Preach to the choir often? Not necessary to address me about how good Sandy Bridge is, I already have one of every generation of i7 that's come out so far, and all up and running beside each other. X58, P55, and P67 are fully represented on my home LAN.

mullet
02-17-11, 06:44 PM
Preach to the choir often? Not necessary to address me about how good Sandy Bridge is, I already have one of every generation of i7 that's come out so far, and all up and running beside each other. X58, P55, and P67 are fully represented on my home LAN.

Sweet.

Heinz68
02-17-11, 08:40 PM
Preach to the choir often? Not necessary to address me about how good Sandy Bridge is, I already have one of every generation of i7 that's come out so far, and all up and running beside each other. X58, P55, and P67 are fully represented on my home LAN.

I'm very sorry you got it the wrong way, I was just poiting out the possible miss-information in your post. That's all.

Moshing
02-18-11, 02:59 AM
I'm very sorry you got it the wrong way, I was just poiting out the possible miss-information in your post. That's all.

Ummm, there was zero misinformation. You only backed my point up, you didn't refute it even though you clearly meant to. My point clearly was that existing Sandy Bridge IS mainstream compared to what's coming. It was never intended to take the top end except as a temporary measure and will be rather smacked around by it's upcoming big brothers.

And honestly, I'm sitting in front of all 3 i7 platforms this very second, and built each one as it was brand new. You cannot teach me anything I don't already know about them so don't get cute with your "miss-information" accusations. It's misinformation, by the way...

candle_86
02-18-11, 05:14 AM
Agreed.

Anyone building an entirely new system right now who doesn't go SB is crazy. The only way I'd buy anything else is if I was upgrading stuff to go into an already built PC. The price argument doesn't water anymore, and nothing else in the same price range is even close to being as good.

$700 will buy everything in OP's post to build a SB system. Bottom line, no, that's not a good build.

no SB is not the end all be all. One no lower end chips, also thanks to being locked on most of the line and you can bet the Core i3 and Pentium branded SB chips will be locked, means AMD's AM3 still is alot more useful, and id weager money my X3 450 unlocked and running at 3.8 right now would whollop a SB I3 based product while costing less, 75 dollars that means 775 is my direct compitition, Intel has nothing close and won't in the sub 150 market. Also id take an X4 965 over a locked SB any day of the week, one can OC and be a 300 dollar chip preformance wise, the other has no future and is no better than a laptop processor, and total garbage to anyone that likes to get a nice cheap chip and OC.

My advice though is get Athlon II and OC it they are great little clocks and mine even went to quad and i have zero issues with it, and at this speed i tied my buddies Core i5 750 he runs at stock that he paid 219 for, i paid 75 thats value.

ViN86
02-18-11, 09:08 AM
no SB is not the end all be all. One no lower end chips, also thanks to being locked on most of the line and you can bet the Core i3 and Pentium branded SB chips will be locked, means AMD's AM3 still is alot more useful, and id weager money my X3 450 unlocked and running at 3.8 right now would whollop a SB I3 based product while costing less, 75 dollars that means 775 is my direct compitition, Intel has nothing close and won't in the sub 150 market. Also id take an X4 965 over a locked SB any day of the week, one can OC and be a 300 dollar chip preformance wise, the other has no future and is no better than a laptop processor, and total garbage to anyone that likes to get a nice cheap chip and OC.

My advice though is get Athlon II and OC it they are great little clocks and mine even went to quad and i have zero issues with it, and at this speed i tied my buddies Core i5 750 he runs at stock that he paid 219 for, i paid 75 thats value.

Our point is that isn't future proof. The 2500K, which is unlocked, is only $200, and clock for clock a better performer than the Athlon II. Even at $200, the build can come in under $700.

Redeemed
02-18-11, 12:18 PM
Our point is that isn't future proof. The 2500K, which is unlocked, is only $200, and clock for clock a better performer than the Athlon II. Even at $200, the build can come in under $700.

But do you need a SB for gaming today?

Honestly, I'd rather save the money and go AMD (Cheaper platform w/ cheaper CPUs and mobos), put that towards a beefier GPU and more RAM.

Just my opinion, of course. :lol: :o