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Madpistol
04-11-11, 11:30 PM
I have been the victim of a lightning strike. Fortunately, it didn't take out either of our computers or TVs. I did take out a surge protector, my router, and the ethernet port on our modem. Therefore, it's going to cost me roughly $100 to replace the router and surge protector. FML. :headexplode:

the good news is that the modem was a rental from the cable company, so that's getting replaced for free. The bad news is I have no internet. I'm typing this from a mcdonalds parking lot.

That's the last time that I leave my computer hardware plugged in during a thunder storm. It could have been a lot worse than it was, but I can't afford another expense like this... :(

wheeljack12
04-11-11, 11:36 PM
don't worry, when I was less experienced in the pc world, I killed my dad's pc by not turning off the kill switch on the power supply of his pentium 3 pc. Should have seen the arc coming from the plug to the psu. Dad was a little upset but was happy to have an excuse to upgrade to pentium 4.

bob saget
04-11-11, 11:39 PM
the good news is that the modem was a rental from the cable company, so that's getting replaced for free. The bad news is I have no internet. I'm typing this from a mcdonalds parking lot.



buy some health food :D
we have had massive storms, i always leave sh*t plugged in, and nothing died so far...i am playing with fire. :|

Roadhog
04-11-11, 11:44 PM
You should be glad the surge protector did it's job. Mine didn't when the neutral line to our house broke and sent 220v to everything in the house. Basically, everything that didn't accept 220v naturally died. Only things that survived was my laptop and my monitor. Yay for homeowners insurance.

FlakMagnet
04-12-11, 07:38 AM
My Dad was even more unlucky!!!

He was playing golf and got struck by lightning. It wasn't even raining at the time. He survived, but only by chance. He was taken to a local hospital who examined him and were happy to send him home as he looked fine from the outside. That same evening, his story was seen on the news by a doctor from a special burns unit some miles away, wondering why he had not been admitted there. He contacted the local hospital and got him transferred immediately. He stayed there for 6 weeks suffering from 13% internal burns. If the doctor had not been watching the news, my Dad would not be here today.

The funny thing is (this was many years ago, so can laugh now), he was supposed to be at work and had 'pulled a sicky' to go play golf :) I guess God had the last laugh on that decision :D

P.S. My Dad doesn't like lightning any more either.

westom
04-12-11, 11:04 AM
I have been the victim of a lightning strike. Fortunately, it didn't take out either of our computers or TVs. I did take out a surge protector, my router, and the ethernet port on our modem.
Time to start learning what protectors really do. View its spec numbers. Power strip protectors do not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. Worse, it can sometimes make damage easier.

Your may be a perfect example. You all but invited a surge to enter the building. Once inside, it went hunting for earth ground via appliances. Nothing stops a surge. Once it is inside, it chooses what it will damage.

Either you connect that hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly outside the building. Or you have ineffective protection.

Lightning might have struck AC wires down the street. That means lightning is connected directly to every appliance. Which ones were damaged? Which ones made a better connection to earth? Apparently the modem, router, and surge protector. Protector could have made surge damage easier to a nearby modem and router. It did exactly what the manufacturer said it would do.

Either you connect that hundreds of thousands of joules short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to earth via a 'whole house' protector. Or you have no effective protection. None. A power strip for tens or $100 per appliance does nothing. A 'whole house' protector for about $1 per appliance is essential if you want surge protection.

But the well proven solution does not have a massive profit margin. Is not promoted by myths. Does not get promoted by being damaged. A $6 power strip with some ten cent protector parts sells at massive profit for $15 in Walmart. Or the same protector circuit sells for $25 or $100 under hyped brand names. Obscene profits are why so many recommend protectors that do not even claim protection.

More responsible companies sell a 'whole house' protector including Square D, Intermatic, Leviton, Siemens, ABB, and General Electric. A Cutler-Hammer solution sells in Lowes and Home Depot for less than $50. If a protector is properly earthed, it connects a surge to protection.

No protector does protection. Either a protector connects surges short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to protection (earth ground). Or it can make damage easier to TV, computers, router, and modem. You had damage because a surge was inside - a major mistake. Surge then select which appliance would make a best and destructive connection to earth. Plug-in protector did exactly what the manufacturer said it would do - ineffective protection.

Yaboze
04-12-11, 11:27 AM
One summer, during a thunderstorm, lightning hit a tree at the end of my street and took out some cable utility stuff that was underground nearby. The whole street lost their cable.

MAN...was it loud. I thought a bomb went off.

Everything was shut down prior, no PC damage or anything. We didn't lose power either.

When the cable came back on (TV), my modem was done. Fried. The router and everything behind it was ok. So, I just drove over the cable company offices and got it swapped out.

westom
04-12-11, 11:44 AM
One summer, during a thunderstorm, lightning hit a tree at the end of my street and took out some cable utility stuff that was underground nearby.

Makes no difference whether wires are overhead or underground. If any wire inside any incoming cable does not connect low impedance (ie 'less than 10 feet', no sharp wire bends, etc) to earth, then that surge will go hunting inside the house.

Cable needs no protector. Superior protector is a wire from the cable ground block to earth. And that wire must be short as possible (ie 'less than 10 feet'), cannot have splices, must be separated from other non-grounding wires, etc.

That is surge protection. Once the surge is inside, then nothing will avert a destructive hunt for earth ground. View specifications for any power strip. Where does it claim protection from destructive surges? It doesn't. It is not protection. It is a profit center.

Hundreds of thousands of joules must be absorbed before any wire - overhead or underground - enters a building. Otherwise superior protection inside an appliance can be overwhelmed. Hundreds of thousands of joules must dissipate harmlessly outside the building. Every incoming wire must connect to earth either directly (cable TV) or via a 'whole house' protector (AC electric, telephone).

Effective protection means nobody even knew a surge existed. Even the protector is not damaged by a direct lightning strike.

Madpistol
04-12-11, 10:13 PM
Time to start learning what protectors really do. View its spec numbers. Power strip protectors do not claim to protect from typically destructive surges. Worse, it can sometimes make damage easier.

Your may be a perfect example. You all but invited a surge to enter the building. Once inside, it went hunting for earth ground via appliances. Nothing stops a surge. Once it is inside, it chooses what it will damage.

Either you connect that hundreds of thousands of joules harmlessly outside the building. Or you have ineffective protection.

Lightning might have struck AC wires down the street. That means lightning is connected directly to every appliance. Which ones were damaged? Which ones made a better connection to earth? Apparently the modem, router, and surge protector. Protector could have made surge damage easier to a nearby modem and router. It did exactly what the manufacturer said it would do.

Either you connect that hundreds of thousands of joules short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to earth via a 'whole house' protector. Or you have no effective protection. None. A power strip for tens or $100 per appliance does nothing. A 'whole house' protector for about $1 per appliance is essential if you want surge protection.

But the well proven solution does not have a massive profit margin. Is not promoted by myths. Does not get promoted by being damaged. A $6 power strip with some ten cent protector parts sells at massive profit for $15 in Walmart. Or the same protector circuit sells for $25 or $100 under hyped brand names. Obscene profits are why so many recommend protectors that do not even claim protection.

More responsible companies sell a 'whole house' protector including Square D, Intermatic, Leviton, Siemens, ABB, and General Electric. A Cutler-Hammer solution sells in Lowes and Home Depot for less than $50. If a protector is properly earthed, it connects a surge to protection.

No protector does protection. Either a protector connects surges short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to protection (earth ground). Or it can make damage easier to TV, computers, router, and modem. You had damage because a surge was inside - a major mistake. Surge then select which appliance would make a best and destructive connection to earth. Plug-in protector did exactly what the manufacturer said it would do - ineffective protection.

Ok, I'm not a kid, and I don't need a lecture from you. You have exactly 2 posts, both of which are in this thread. Not a good start to your tenure on this forum. :thumbdwn:

If I were you, I would stop talking and listen more. The surge protector did it's job. Past that, I consider myself lucky, nothing more. If you want to help, that's fine. If you want to try and degrade me by writing a massive post about how "wrong" I was, you might as well leave this forum. You're not going to win the hearts of anyone by posting like that.

westom
04-13-11, 02:48 AM
If I were you, I would stop talking and listen more. The surge protector did it's job. Past that, I consider myself lucky, nothing more. Obviously your protector did what its manufacturer claimed. Ineffective protection. Protector was so pathetically undersized as to fail. An effective protector remains functional after each surge. Especially after one that tiny.

Your protector disconnected as fast as possible. Disconnected fast enough to not create a house fire. Left appliances connected to a tiny transient. That was not protection. That was a protector promoting a myth. Failing on a surge too tiny to harm other appliances.

With or without a protector, TV and computers protected themselves. Listed were effective solutions from responsible companies. A solution that also costs less money. So that larger and more destructive surges do not overwhelm protection inside appliances. Effective solutions remain functional even after a direct lightning strike. Cost less money. Averts a destructive hunt for earth ground via appliances. You had modem and router damage due to no properly earthed protector. You had ineffective protection.

Either connect hundreds of thousands of joules short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to earth via a 'whole house' protector. Or have no effective protection. Either learn the science. Or reply nasty to remain in denial. Your choice.

Protector did its job. Failed on a surge too tiny to damage a TV or computers. Mythical protection to encourage a tirade rather than learn from the mistake. Grossly undersizing a protector increases profits. Promotes more sales. Encourages irate replies from those more easily manipulated by retail myths. Your choice.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Provided was how to learn from your mistake. Sorry that you are too angry to grasp it.

Roadhog
04-13-11, 02:49 AM
I think you are getting trolled by a bot.

Madpistol
04-13-11, 09:38 AM
I think you are getting trolled by a bot.

I have no idea, but I reported them for this. It really is unnecessary. I don't need to be lectured on this, weather it's a person in front of a screen or a bot.

Yaboze
04-13-11, 10:01 AM
I got a bit of a lecture as well. I don't care if it doesn't matter where the wiring is overhead or underground. I was simply sharing a story of mine.

My neighborhood was built in the early 90's. Everything is underground, there are no telephone poles or cable lines running to people's homes above ground. There are utility boxes for power, cable and telcom all over and everything runs underground to each home. /shrugs

westom
04-13-11, 11:35 AM
I got a bit of a lecture as well. I don't care if it doesn't matter where the wiring is overhead or underground. I was simply sharing a story of mine.
What lecture? You had damage because wires - overhead or underground - must have protection where those wires enter a building. It is simply a fact. Or do facts insult people?

Madpistol had damage because he had no protection. His protector was so grossly undersized as to even fail. Its manufacturer did not even claim protection. Informed homeowners, instead, earth one 'whole house' protector. To protect power strip protectors from surge damage. And protect all other appliances.

All appliances constain protection. A surge too tiny to damage most appliances (dishwasher, air conditioner, TV, computers, furnace, GFCIs, door bell) easily damaged a power strip protector? Of course. Grossly undersized protectors fail even on surges too tiny to damage most appliances. That failure promotes sales.

A protector that fails means no protection. It disconnected. Left that surge connected to appliances. His protector disconnected as fast as possible to not create a house fire. Sometimes a grossly undersized protector does not disconnect fast enough. Then scary pictures result:
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol entitled "Surge Protector Fires"
http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/lesson-learned/surgeprotectorfire.htm
http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339

Roadhog had a surge. Those protectors also did no protection. Of course. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to protect from destructive surges. Are profit centers promoted to protect from surges that typically are not destructive. May fail - disconnect as fast as possible. Leave appliances to protect themselves.

Protection means every incoming wire (overhead or underground) must be connected to protection where it enters the building. Those scary pictures need not happen. An effective protector does not fail during any surge - even during a direct lightning strike. Then no appliances are damaged. Why does this insult anyone?

Madpistol
04-13-11, 08:54 PM
I got my new router today. I took the chance to update it to a modern Gigabit w/ wireless N capabilities. The last one lasted 3 years, so I was really happy with it. Here's a link to the new one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127215

It got good reviews, and it's an updated version of the DGL-4300 that I had before.

It's good to be back. Next time a thunder storm comes through, everything is getting unplugged. I refuse to let this happen again.

And thanks westom. You've been completely useless throughout this thread. As long as you feel better about yourself, I guess that's all that matters. :)

mullet
04-14-11, 09:49 AM
Just the coax from the wall.

Yaboze
04-14-11, 11:30 AM
What lecture? You had damage because wires - overhead or underground - must have protection where those wires enter a building. It is simply a fact. Or do facts insult people?

Madpistol had damage because he had no protection. His protector was so grossly undersized as to even fail. Its manufacturer did not even claim protection. Informed homeowners, instead, earth one 'whole house' protector. To protect power strip protectors from surge damage. And protect all other appliances.

All appliances constain protection. A surge too tiny to damage most appliances (dishwasher, air conditioner, TV, computers, furnace, GFCIs, door bell) easily damaged a power strip protector? Of course. Grossly undersized protectors fail even on surges too tiny to damage most appliances. That failure promotes sales.

A protector that fails means no protection. It disconnected. Left that surge connected to appliances. His protector disconnected as fast as possible to not create a house fire. Sometimes a grossly undersized protector does not disconnect fast enough. Then scary pictures result:
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol entitled "Surge Protector Fires"
http://www3.cw56.com/news/articles/local/BO63312/
http://www.nmsu.edu/~safety/news/lesson-learned/surgeprotectorfire.htm
http://www.pennsburgfireco.com/fullstory.php?58339

Roadhog had a surge. Those protectors also did no protection. Of course. Plug-in protectors do not even claim to protect from destructive surges. Are profit centers promoted to protect from surges that typically are not destructive. May fail - disconnect as fast as possible. Leave appliances to protect themselves.

Protection means every incoming wire (overhead or underground) must be connected to protection where it enters the building. Those scary pictures need not happen. An effective protector does not fail during any surge - even during a direct lightning strike. Then no appliances are damaged. Why does this insult anyone?

You didn't insult me, you're missing the point. I don't give a crap about how it happened. It was a story on a gaming site. **** happens.

Imagine you're at a party telling a generic story of what happened to your car one day. Here comes Mr. Serious Car mechanic saying you should have checked this and that under the hood because that can lead to blah blah blah. See what I mean?

It's a story, I wasn't looking for an explanation.

AngelGraves13
04-14-11, 01:15 PM
You didn't have your router on the surge protector? Or the Ethernet port filtered through it?

I have a Monster Green Power Surge Protector for my PC, which I got for around $60 when it was new. It's not about $40 on Amazon. Works great and shuts off standby power (if you enable the feature)

4220 Joule rating

http://www.amazon.com/Monster-PowerCenter-MDP-GreenPower-Charging/dp/B0023RRRD6/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1302801399&sr=8-13

I've been through several lightning storms, which burned out a few light bulbs in my room, but my computer products were fine.

westom
04-14-11, 07:03 PM
You didn't insult me, you're missing the point. I don't give a crap about how it happened. It was a story on a gaming site. **** happens. **** only happens when humans do not learn from their mistakes. Do not give a crap about how it happened. Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive that history.

Demonstrated is science well learned and understood even 100 years ago. Defined in a technical discussion - not in a booze party.

AngelGraves13 demonstrates how easily myths get promoted; reality is ignored. Somehow 1400 and never more than 2820 joules will stop and absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? Of course not. It does not even claim to protect from typically destructive surges. But propaganda is so powerful that numbers will be ignored. Numbers even create anger among some most easily manipulated by advertising.

A superior solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. But is implemented only if a layman learns. Gives a crap why damage happens. You are missing the point. Damage to the OPs appliances existed because he did not learn from over 100 years of history and science. (He now gets angry rather than learn.) That plug-in protector did no protection. And may have even made damage easier.

AngelGraves13
04-14-11, 07:24 PM
Best thing to do in a thunderstorm or lighting storm is to turn everything off. That's the best protection.

I've never seen a severe surge like that, but then again I live in Los Angeles where 320 days out of the year are clear skies.

And apparently I already have a Whole House Protector.

Madpistol
04-15-11, 12:55 AM
**** only happens when humans do not learn from their mistakes. Do not give a crap about how it happened. Those who fail to learn the lessons from history are doomed to relive that history.

Demonstrated is science well learned and understood even 100 years ago. Defined in a technical discussion - not in a booze party.

AngelGraves13 demonstrates how easily myths get promoted; reality is ignored. Somehow 1400 and never more than 2820 joules will stop and absorb a surge that is hundreds of thousands of joules? Of course not. It does not even claim to protect from typically destructive surges. But propaganda is so powerful that numbers will be ignored. Numbers even create anger among some most easily manipulated by advertising.

A superior solution costs about $1 per protected appliance. But is implemented only if a layman learns. Gives a crap why damage happens. You are missing the point. Damage to the OPs appliances existed because he did not learn from over 100 years of history and science. (He now gets angry rather than learn.) That plug-in protector did no protection. And may have even made damage easier.

I'm going to say this as politely as I can.

**** off. You have no right to say that to me, good sir. If you'd like, I can school you on the in's and out's of music theory. That's at least 500 years of history, and without it, our culture would not have developed into the wonderful modern world that we know of today where electricity is needed in virtually all walks of life.

I guess that makes you the moron, does it not?

The reason I'm angry is because you're attacking me. You decide that since you're so right and I'm so wrong that you're going to go on a crusade to prove just how much of a smart ass you are. That makes you nothing but a ****ing troll. Go crawl back into your cave and work on making a fire. Try not to burn yourself. After all, fire is hot.

Roadhog
04-15-11, 01:07 AM
After all, fire is hot.

I'm hot too. Sexy me. :D