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AngelGraves13
04-14-11, 02:10 PM
So, I'm already planning a new rig. Here's some ideas on what I want. A lot of the items will be carried over from my current rig, so the expense will not be too vast, unless I add it all up.

I'm having a hard time deciding on a case. I like the blue LEDs on the Antec case, and I like the look of the Corsair case, and the Cooler Master case looks nice as well if I add Blue LEDs.

The Power Supplies by Antec and Corsair are both grade A, but I've never used a Corsair PSU, though I've heard very good things about it. They look on par as far as features and performance, but the Corsair has a 7 year warranty whereas the Antec has a 5 year warranty. I doubt I'll be using it for 7 years, but it is assuring.

Motherboard, CPU, and Memory: Waiting for the Intel X79, or the AMD Bulldozer (if it delivers). I might stick to Intel for the Intel Rapid Storage Controller because it has never given me a single problem in 4 years. The memory might be carried over, if it is still using DDR 1600MHz, but if it supports 2400MHz then I'll look for a memory upgrade, but the high latency on those puts me off. Corsair is the best in memory, so I'm not even going to consider anything else. I bought OCZ last time and 2 of the sticks are now defective on my Core 2 Duo system, so I don't really mind OCZ leaving the RAM business.

The new ACER monitor looks very appealing as it 27 inches and is 16:9 and Full HD as my current one is 23 inches and only 16:10 and not Full HD. The viewing angles will be the same 170/160, though I would love 178/178, but I doubt we'll see any 120Hz monitors do that for quite some time. It also have a built-in NVIDIA 3D Vision IR Emitter, so I can save a USB port as well, and probably sell my IR Emitter with glasses or put it into storage and keep the extra pair of glasses for when a friend comes over. Acer's monitor already includes glasses (just 1), so it would be nice to have 2 in total. There's a review of the monitor at the 3D Vision Blog and I can't wait to add a few inches to my desktop. Who couldn't use a few extra inches right?

As far as hard drives are concerned, I'll probably get two WD VelociRaptor 600 GB drives as SSD is just too expensive and it doesn't offer enough storage. I need enough storage for Windows, Applications, and STEAM with about 20 current and favorite games installed at once. My iTunes music library of Apple Lossless Music created with EAC into FLAC then into ALAC takes up around 1.2TB and will go on an external drive. That will be a Western Digital RE4 2TB drive by itself for security as performance will not be an issue.

Case: Antec Twelve Hundred V3 (http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjcxNQ==) or Corsair Obsidian 800D (http://www.corsair.com/cases/obsidian-series/obsidian-series-800d.html) or Cooler Master HAF X (http://www.coolermaster-usa.com/product.php?product_id=2988)
PSU: Antec High Current Professional 1200 (http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/product.php?id=MjQ2OA==) (5 year warranty) or Corsair Professional Series Gold High Performance 1200 (http://www.corsair.com/power-supplies/modular-psus/professional-series-gold-2/ax1200.html) (7 year warranty)
Surge Protector: Monster Power HD PowerCenter 900 with GreenPower (http://www.monstercable.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=5016) [Bought]
Motherboard: Intel X79 (ASUS)
Memory: 12 GB Corsair Dominator i7 DDR3 1600MHz (http://www.corsair.com/memory/intel-memory-solutions/intel-triple-channel-kits/cmd12gx3m6a1600c8.html) [Bought] or 12GB Corsair Dominator GT 2000MHz (http://www.corsair.com/memory/dominator/dominator-gt/cmt12gx3m3a2000c9.html)
Graphics: NVIDIA Kepler 680 GTX (eVGA)
Monitor: Acer HN274H 3D Vision Ready LCD Monitor (Built-in IR Emitter)
Audio: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty (http://us.store.creative.com/Creative-Sound-Blaster-XFi-Titanium-Fatal1ty/M/B0018EFGTM.htm) [Bought]
NIC: BigFoot Networks Killer NIC 2100 (http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/killer-2100/) [Bought]
Hard Drive: WD VelociRaptor 600 GB SATA Hard Drives (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=20) (WD6000HLHX) in RAID 0
Extra Storage: WD RE4 2 TB SATA Hard Drive (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=30) (WD2003FYYS)
Peripherals: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Gaming Keyboard (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.211651300/categoryId.49136200/parentCategoryId.35156900) + Razer Mamba Gaming Mouse (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418100/parentCategoryID.35208800/categoryId.35210600) + Razer IronClad Gaming Mat (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.219991900/parentCategoryID.35208900/categoryID.35210800) + Razer Onza Tournament Edition (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.218524000/parentCategoryID.54297600/categoryId.54746700) [Bought]
Speakers & Headphones w/ Microphone: Razer Mako 2.1 THX Speakers (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169418000) + Razer Carcharias Gaming Headset (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169415800/parentCategoryID.35096300/categoryId.35209700) with Leather Ear Cushions (http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.175961600/categoryId.35096200) [Bought]
Burner: Pioneer BDR-206 Blu-ray Disc Writer (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Professional/Computer-Drives/BDR-206) [Bought]

That's all I can come up with for now...

Roliath
04-14-11, 02:50 PM
If your building a new rig, don't waste your money on those velicoraptors. Get a big storage drive and an ssd + intel nic.

AngelGraves13
04-14-11, 03:28 PM
If your building a new rig, don't waste your money on those velicoraptors. Get a big storage drive and an ssd + intel nic.

SSD is too expensive and there isn't enough room on it, so that's out of the question.

I already have a NIC, so that's not necessary, but Intel NICs are exceptional.

bob saget
04-14-11, 10:27 PM
HAF X is my #1 case now....

Roadhog
04-14-11, 10:31 PM
SSD is too expensive and there isn't enough room on it, so that's out of the question.

I already have a NIC, so that's not necessary, but Intel NICs are exceptional.

that $80 for the nic is a good chunk of an SSD. :p

AngelGraves13
04-14-11, 11:31 PM
that $80 for the nic is a good chunk of an SSD. :p

Your standards must be really low. I need A LOT of storage.

When there's a 1TB SSD around $400 that hits the SATA 3 limit, wake me up. Until then...yawn.

Roliath
04-15-11, 12:32 AM
Your standards must be really low. I need A LOT of storage.

When there's a 1TB SSD around $400 that hits the SATA 3 limit, wake me up. Until then...yawn.

Who says you need to store everything on the SSD?
Single SSD for operating system, even a cheap ssd will out perform that velicoraptor. No body is keeping their media/pron collection on a array of SSD's right now. And if they are, its probably pretty damn expensive. Keep the OS on the SSD, and everything else on platters most new 1tb+ drives will give you some nice speeds especially if you don't mind running them in an array (hope you back your **** up as well).

Roadhog
04-15-11, 01:10 AM
Hell, even most 7200rpm drives beat raptors due to the high platter density.

Also, who cares about 400mb/s, you can't use it, nothing will and nothing will benefit from it. The main benefit of an SSD is access times.

Madpistol
04-15-11, 01:34 AM
Who says you need to store everything on the SSD?
Single SSD for operating system, even a cheap ssd will out perform that velicoraptor. No body is keeping their media/pron collection on a array of SSD's right now. And if they are, its probably pretty damn expensive. Keep the OS on the SSD, and everything else on platters most new 1tb+ drives will give you some nice speeds especially if you don't mind running them in an array (hope you back your **** up as well).

QFT. I have an SSD, but I only keep my OS and critical programs on it. Do you know how much more responsive my computer is now that it has an SSD? It boots up in half the time it did before, I never have to wait for a program to open, my computer is fully responsive 100% of its operating time, and when I need to shut down or restart... 5 seconds. I have NEVER felt any sort of hard drive lag since I've gotten my SSD.

I'll echo what others have said before: If you won't get an SSD because they're too small, you've missed the point of an SSD. Once you use an SSD, you will NEVER want to work on a computer without one. Computers without SSD's just feel sluggish to me now. Every single person on this forum that has an SSD will agree.

hirantha
04-15-11, 10:10 AM
You don't go SSD even just for the OS? then buddy all i can say is your machines is obsolete even before you build it.

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 04:32 PM
If I do get an SSD, I'll get one by Corsair. My dad has an OCZ Vertex and it doesn't make a bit of difference on his computer, though it is set in RAID mode, so that might be why. RAID mode...no TRIM.

I might get this one...but it's just so freaking small

Corsair Performance 3 Series P3-256 SSD (http://www.corsair.com/solid-state-drives/performance-3-series/performance-3-series-p3-256-solid-state-hard-drive.html)

Same with this...

OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-vertex-3-sata-iii-2-5-ssd.html)

My Steam folder is 200 GBs by itself.

I guess I'll just wait for the next gen of these in 2012, when SSD goes mainstream.

Redeemed
04-15-11, 04:40 PM
Honestly, I have found 1 game that benefitted from being installed to my secondary SSD- Oblivion.

Granted, my newest HDD is around 5 years old now so likely newer drives are faster. However, in Oblivion when on horseback there's a horrid pausing as the game loads new areas. When on foot it's not noticable at all due to how slow you're moving. On horseback it's quite noticable because of how much faster you're moving.

Installing the game to the SSD eliminated this for me entirely.

Beyond Oblivion no other game that I've installed to my SSD has shown any noticable benefit. :)

grey_1
04-15-11, 04:54 PM
If I do get an SSD, I'll get one by Corsair. My dad has an OCZ Vertex and it doesn't make a bit of difference on his computer, though it is set in RAID mode, so that might be why. RAID mode...no TRIM.

I might get this one...but it's just so freaking small

Corsair Performance 3 Series P3-256 SSD (http://www.corsair.com/solid-state-drives/performance-3-series/performance-3-series-p3-256-solid-state-hard-drive.html)

Same with this...

OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD (http://www.ocztechnology.com/ocz-vertex-3-sata-iii-2-5-ssd.html)

My Steam folder is 200 GBs by itself.

I guess I'll just wait for the next gen of these in 2012, when SSD goes mainstream.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3734/seagates-momentus-xt-review-finally-a-good-hybrid-hdd
In many cases the Momentus XT performs like a VelociRaptor, but in a lower power, quieter package. The impact of adding just a small amount of SLC NAND is tremendous. I wonder what kept Western Digital from sticking some NAND on its VelociRaptor instead of giving us the lackluster upgrade we got earlier this year.
I just installed one of these in my laptop and it's the best mix of speed and size I've seen yet.
500Gb hybrid for $119 at Bestbuy.

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 06:43 PM
Honestly, I have found 1 game that benefitted from being installed to my secondary SSD- Oblivion.

Granted, my newest HDD is around 5 years old now so likely newer drives are faster. However, in Oblivion when on horseback there's a horrid pausing as the game loads new areas. When on foot it's not noticable at all due to how slow you're moving. On horseback it's quite noticable because of how much faster you're moving.

Installing the game to the SSD eliminated this for me entirely.

Beyond Oblivion no other game that I've installed to my SSD has shown any noticable benefit. :)

Most games preload an entire level. It makes no difference once its loaded. Loading is faster with SSD, but other than that I don't see a reason to get one...yet.

I'd rather spend $500 on a new graphics card.

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 06:44 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3734/seagates-momentus-xt-review-finally-a-good-hybrid-hdd

I just installed one of these in my laptop and it's the best mix of speed and size I've seen yet.
500Gb hybrid for $119 at Bestbuy.

Thanks, will look into this.

Roliath
04-15-11, 06:56 PM
If I do get an SSD, I'll get one by Corsair. My dad has an OCZ Vertex and it doesn't make a bit of difference on his computer, though it is set in RAID mode, so that might be why. RAID mode...no TRIM.


stop right there please.


Loading is faster with SSD, but other than that I don't see a reason to get one...yet.


access times

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 06:59 PM
stop right there please.

I've looked into RAID mode and TRIM on Intel Matrix Storage. It's a no go.

Roliath
04-15-11, 07:04 PM
I've looked into RAID mode and TRIM on Intel Matrix Storage. It's a no go.

I think you missed my point.

Madpistol
04-15-11, 08:11 PM
The thing that SSD's bring is virtually instantaneous access times for OS files and critical programs. Except for a few, SSDs make virtually no difference in games.

I feel like myself and others are beating a dead horse here. It's your choice, but there is no substitute for an SSD for your OS. Velociraptors can't come close to touching that sort of speed. Also, remember that SSD's use almost no energy and are silent. Those are nice perks.

Roadhog
04-15-11, 08:26 PM
The thing that SSD's bring is virtually instantaneous access times for OS files and critical programs. Except for a few, SSDs make virtually no difference in games.

I feel like myself and others are beating a dead horse here. It's your choice, but there is no substitute for an SSD for your OS. Velociraptors can't come close to touching that sort of speed. Also, remember that SSD's use almost no energy and are silent. Those are nice perks.

The guy bought a KIller NIC. Enough said. :p

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 08:30 PM
The thing that SSD's bring is virtually instantaneous access times for OS files and critical programs. Except for a few, SSDs make virtually no difference in games.

I feel like myself and others are beating a dead horse here. It's your choice, but there is no substitute for an SSD for your OS. Velociraptors can't come close to touching that sort of speed. Also, remember that SSD's use almost no energy and are silent. Those are nice perks.

It's still much too expensive for the amount of space it offers. Just last year it was 60GB SSD for $700 and now it's 240GB. I'll wait until next year when it goes mainstream.

I know it has 0.01ms access time as opposed to 15ms for a hard drive. There's no comparison. I would LOVE to have one, but it does NOT suit my needs. I NEED room over speed. I'll probably just end up getting 4 WD RE4 2TB drives and putting them into RAID 0 mode. I'll put 2 for my C drive and another 2 for my Storage. Or I can simply do RAID 5, but I prefer 2 separate arrays.

Buying an SSD now is a waste of money. Next year there will be faster SSDs with more memory. It seems it quadruples in memory every year and the price also goes down, so why buy it now? Pretty soon Western Digital and Seagate will be making SSDs, though I'm sure they'll suck since they're a hard drive company and not a memory company like Corsair and OCZ. It will however bring prices down and competition is great.

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 08:34 PM
The guy bought a KIller NIC. Enough said. :p

And it works great, thanks for asking. It doesn't do magic, but it's better than onboard.

Redeemed
04-15-11, 09:52 PM
Wow guys- way to be a bunch of ass hats.

It's his money- let him spend it how he pleases. Offer advice, yes- but don't be a bunch of deuches just because he's spending his cash in a manner you disagree with.

If he wants to sport a s754 Sempron, 64MB of RAM with a 500GB ATA100 8MB Cache HDD, while dropping a GTX590 in that bad boy let him. It's his money. Advise- but don't redicule, insult, or any other such crap.

Dude, AngelGraves- if you can find a good deal on a used SSD I'd at least consider getting it. I'm in the same boat as you regarding needing capacity over speed. However, the two SSDs I have now I purchased from members here- the prices were spot on, and I've not regretted it at all. It does make a huge difference.

If you cannot find a good deal on a used SSD, then don't bother. You'll be very pleased with those 2TB drives in RAID as you mentioned. You'll get good performance with lots of storage- I'd count that as a win in my book. :)

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 10:37 PM
Wow guys- way to be a bunch of ass hats.

It's his money- let him spend it how he pleases. Offer advice, yes- but don't be a bunch of deuches just because he's spending his cash in a manner you disagree with.

If he wants to sport a s754 Sempron, 64MB of RAM with a 500GB ATA100 8MB Cache HDD, while dropping a GTX590 in that bad boy let him. It's his money. Advise- but don't redicule, insult, or any other such crap.

Dude, AngelGraves- if you can find a good deal on a used SSD I'd at least consider getting it. I'm in the same boat as you regarding needing capacity over speed. However, the two SSDs I have now I purchased from members here- the prices were spot on, and I've not regretted it at all. It does make a huge difference.

If you cannot find a good deal on a used SSD, then don't bother. You'll be very pleased with those 2TB drives in RAID as you mentioned. You'll get good performance with lots of storage- I'd count that as a win in my book. :)

True, an SSD would be nice, but I need more room for my Steam games. I only have 10 games installed and it hits about 200GBs. Add in Adobe CS5 and other programs I use and 240GB is simply not enough space. I'd have to buy the 400GB SSD which is $1400, which is a joke considering next year a 1TB SSD will be around $400.

AngelGraves13
04-15-11, 10:40 PM
I'm surprised no one has said I wasted $120 on a Razer Mamba. I pre-ordered it from Razer and because my shipment was delayed and thought to be damaged, they sent me another Mamba for free.

I received 2 new Razer Mambas. Worked out well, have one running on my Core 2 Duo rig.