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Shamrock
07-15-11, 10:35 PM
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22173

ridiculous patents strike again. Dates back to mid 90's patents, but it "can" affect any electronic device on the planet.

Namely HTC was found guilty of infringing on:
U.S. Patent No. 5,946,647: "A system and method causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data."
U.S. Patent No. 6,343,263: "A data transmission system having a real-time data engine for processing isochronous streams of data includes an interface device that provides a physical and logical connection of a computer to any one or more of a variety of different types of data networks."

Apple isn't wanting a settlement, they want to ban ALL htc, Motorola, and Samsung devices who use Android.

Yet Apple stole Android's method of notification.

Bman212121
07-15-11, 10:50 PM
Nuke it from orbit? (The patent system)

Johnny C
07-16-11, 10:25 AM
Nuke it from orbit? (The patent system)

Apple sounds better

Q
07-16-11, 10:37 AM
Those patents are far too broad. The patent office didn't understand (doesn't?) well enough to realize the implications.

Complete bull****. Bad patent system. Bad Apple.

bacon12
07-16-11, 11:09 AM
Its the one thing that will kill Android, no protection for OEM's from crap like this from Google.

Lfctony
07-17-11, 05:22 AM
Seriously? You think Apple needs to sue HTC in order to beat them? Apple feels threatened by HTC? Really?

APPLE - 317.6 Billion Market Value
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/04/apples-market-value-is-more-than-microsoft-and-intel-combined/

HTC - 33.8 Billion Market Value.
http://androidandme.com/2011/04/uncategorized/htcs-market-value-shoots-up-to-33-8-billion-surpasses-rim-and-nokia/

They can just buy them for God's sake...
http://www.mactrast.com/2011/06/apple-has-enough-cash-to-buy-out-the-mobile-phone-industry/

You must REALLY hate Apple...

bacon12
07-17-11, 12:36 PM
You better believe it.

http://i.imgur.com/B5oXA.jpg (http://imgur.com/B5oXA)

http://i.imgur.com/BK2tf.png (http://imgur.com/BK2tf)

Rakeesh
07-17-11, 02:47 PM
Seriously? You think Apple needs to sue HTC in order to beat them? Apple feels threatened by HTC? Really?

It's not necessarily HTC, it's anything Android; Apple is merely targetting HTC and Samsung first because they are the biggest producers of Android devices. Other Android OEM's will follow.

Apple is really sh*tting their pants right now about Android because it's rapidly taking customers away from iOS. Just look at the numbers bacon12 posted, Apple is losing bad right now (Android has already surpassed iOS in the total market share,) and their numbers are rapidly dropping. This is really bad for Apple because iOS devices make up a massive chunk of their revenue (upwards of 40%.)

Shamrock
07-17-11, 10:15 PM
Seriously? You think Apple needs to sue HTC in order to beat them? Apple feels threatened by HTC? Really?

APPLE - 317.6 Billion Market Value
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/04/apples-market-value-is-more-than-microsoft-and-intel-combined/

HTC - 33.8 Billion Market Value.
http://androidandme.com/2011/04/uncategorized/htcs-market-value-shoots-up-to-33-8-billion-surpasses-rim-and-nokia/

They can just buy them for God's sake...
http://www.mactrast.com/2011/06/apple-has-enough-cash-to-buy-out-the-mobile-phone-industry/

You must REALLY hate Apple...

Apparently Apple thinks they need to sue them, not for a settlement, but to ban them from importing phones.

@Rakeesh...add Motorola along with Samsung and HTC.

bacon's graph only shows to Jan 2011. I think some time in April, Android took over as top phone OS.

Lfctony
07-18-11, 08:18 AM
The only reason that Android has taken over is because you get it on every single device out there, from 100-700 dollar phones, from almost every single manufacturer. Compared to the iOS which is offered only on 2, very expensive models, the 3GS and 4... And in case anyone says anything, I am currently on my 3rd iphone (Iphone 4) and my 4th Android phone (Xperia Arc). I own two. Ditched my Windows 7 Phone due to the lack of apps...

Shamrock
07-18-11, 10:18 PM
You forgot the iPad and iPad2, but you also should include Android tablets too.

But you bring up a point I've always wondered about.

Why doesn't Apple ditch the hardware, and just sell the OS? They would make a killing, and possibly surpass MS. I think the hardware is holding back Apple.

six_storm
07-18-11, 11:13 PM
You forgot the iPad and iPad2, but you also should include Android tablets too.

But you bring up a point I've always wondered about.

Why doesn't Apple ditch the hardware, and just sell the OS? They would make a killing, and possibly surpass MS. I think the hardware is holding back Apple.

Apple makes some fine hardware, so why not keep doing what you do best? I think the iPhone 4 is the best looking/feeling phone I've ever used. Thin, light and has an awesome screen. Apple knows they make some of the world's best devices so why would they Not limit their OS on their hardware?

I currently have my beef with Android and I honestly think the whole platform is sloppy, not to mention the lack of apps. I've yet to use an Android device that is real smooth, it's always laggy in some form or fashion (laggy keyboard, laggy web browsing, etc). Also I hate that Google and other companies still support such a wide range of versions. Why? Why not standardize across the board? This might not matter to the enthusiast that roots, but what about the average joes? What about the people who just want a phone that works and operates smoothly?

This is the phone that I want to own and honestly, iPhone/iOS is the only phone that fits the bill. I don't want to customize anymore, I don't want to "tinker" and root and jailbreak. I just want my phone to work like it should, quickly and smoothly.

As for the lawsuit, I think Apple can get a little overkill with this kind of stuff. But I'm sure that it won't affect either side that much in the end. ;)

Lfctony
07-19-11, 01:49 AM
I don't want to customize anymore, I don't want to "tinker" and root and jailbreak. I just want my phone to work like it should, quickly and smoothly.


It works quickly and smoothly even if you do jailbreak, as long as you don't keep installing crap on it... Even if only to install SBSettings. The functionality the tweak offers should have been there from day one in the OS...

Rakeesh
07-19-11, 02:28 AM
Apple makes some fine hardware, so why not keep doing what you do best?

Technically Apple doesn't really make the hardware, foxconn and samsung do.

As for the lawsuit, I think Apple can get a little overkill with this kind of stuff. But I'm sure that it won't affect either side that much in the end. ;)

Yeah it will. I don't think apple actually believes they'll prevent HTC from importing phones. However they do believe they can put such a financial burden on HTC, that they buckle under legal pressure. It wouldn't be the first time apple has done this. It's a really dirty tactic but people out there think apple is this wonderful company that is full of marshmallow dreams and gumdrop smiles.

Lfctony
07-19-11, 04:24 AM
Jailbreak Innovation: Jailbreakers first, then Apple follows...

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/16/team-pure-jailbreak-benefits/

Rakeesh. Apple is a company. Profit is their main concern. They use what they can to maximise it. Its as if they're the only ones... Nokia has sued everyone for God's sake. I don't see people hating them...

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/rimz/hhgjHIgDnasueeqzFwhmbigCIxnpHsBIsymwFzfcfokppeCjsb EbbkHzitBF/media_http24mediatumb_verra.jpg.scaled500.jpg

Rakeesh
07-19-11, 05:15 AM
Jailbreak Innovation: Jailbreakers first, then Apple follows...

http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/16/team-pure-jailbreak-benefits/

Rakeesh. Apple is a company. Profit is their main concern. They use what they can to maximise it. Its as if they're the only ones... Nokia has sued everyone for God's sake. I don't see people hating them...

I'm not trying to imply that they're the only ones, rather that apple fans tend to look at apple as this underdog company that gets picked on by the likes of say, microsoft, when in fact the opposite tends to be true.

BTW that pic is a bit inaccurate, I know that for example, HTC and Samsung both have countersued apple as a means of offensive security.

EDIT: lol, just realized from that article, that apple stole androids notification system in iOS 5.

six_storm
07-19-11, 08:51 AM
It works quickly and smoothly even if you do jailbreak, as long as you don't keep installing crap on it... Even if only to install SBSettings. The functionality the tweak offers should have been there from day one in the OS...

I don't have an iPhone (yet) so I can't say much on SBSettings. And yes, iOS is a very fast and smooth OS, actually the fastest and smoothest IMO.

bacon12
07-19-11, 09:06 AM
Um I disagree, WM7>iOS.

Imagine how much better windows 7 would be if there were only a handful of computers available that MS had to optimize the os for.

six_storm
07-19-11, 09:55 AM
Um I disagree, WM7>iOS.

Imagine how much better windows 7 would be if there were only a handful of computers available that MS had to optimize the os for.

WM7 = no 3rd party apps, no games. iOS has the best selection IMO.

I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer. It would be better tweaked and optimized.

Bearclaw
07-19-11, 10:59 AM
You forgot the iPad and iPad2, but you also should include Android tablets too.

But you bring up a point I've always wondered about.

Why doesn't Apple ditch the hardware, and just sell the OS? They would make a killing, and possibly surpass MS. I think the hardware is holding back Apple.

1 reason: Stability.

By doing the hardware themselves they control stability. They don't have to worry about drivers, etc.

ViN86
07-19-11, 11:42 AM
Apple makes some fine hardware, so why not keep doing what you do best? I think the iPhone 4 is the best looking/feeling phone I've ever used. Thin, light and has an awesome screen. Apple knows they make some of the world's best devices so why would they Not limit their OS on their hardware?

I currently have my beef with Android and I honestly think the whole platform is sloppy, not to mention the lack of apps. I've yet to use an Android device that is real smooth, it's always laggy in some form or fashion (laggy keyboard, laggy web browsing, etc). Also I hate that Google and other companies still support such a wide range of versions. Why? Why not standardize across the board? This might not matter to the enthusiast that roots, but what about the average joes? What about the people who just want a phone that works and operates smoothly?

This is the phone that I want to own and honestly, iPhone/iOS is the only phone that fits the bill. I don't want to customize anymore, I don't want to "tinker" and root and jailbreak. I just want my phone to work like it should, quickly and smoothly.

As for the lawsuit, I think Apple can get a little overkill with this kind of stuff. But I'm sure that it won't affect either side that much in the end. ;)

That's fine. I have used both iOS and Android, and honestly iOS feels like it has kid gloves on when dealing with the user. I can't browse my files, I can't install 3rd party software. The devices are run like 1930's Germany. I personally don't want to sacrifice freedom for "smoothness", which is subjective. My Droid X is very smooth and I can actually do what I want to do with the device, instead of what the developer allows me to.

Deal breakers on iOS:

All apps MUST come from app store
Can't use a different keyboard (swype, swiftkey)
Not true multitasking
No widgets
Changing settings takes 10 menus (e.g. SBSettings is required)
No file management on the device (need iTunes)
iTunes (super bloat)

bacon12
07-19-11, 12:32 PM
WM7 = no 3rd party apps, no games. iOS has the best selection IMO.

I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer. It would be better tweaked and optimized.

I agree on everything but maybe games. Of course limiting hardware = better os optimization. But you don't have a choice of hardware. Unless you count more storage, a different color, or the pro version with a faster cpu and memory as a choice.

ViN86
07-19-11, 12:38 PM
I think limiting what hardware selection means you get a better OS, phone or computer

No offense, but that's complete bull****.

zoomy942
07-19-11, 01:47 PM
I'm using a D1 right now and I like being able to do whatever I want on my device. For exampl,e a stock D1 gets about 12 hours battery life, but with what I've done, ig et around 2 days or so. thats only a small example.

ios is easy, sure. but controlled.

windows phone 7 sure has my attention. that HTC Trophy comes down in price a little i might jump on it.

six_storm
07-19-11, 02:06 PM
That's fine. I have used both iOS and Android, and honestly iOS feels like it has kid gloves on when dealing with the user. I can't browse my files, I can't install 3rd party software. The devices are run like 1930's Germany. I personally don't want to sacrifice freedom for "smoothness", which is subjective. My Droid X is very smooth and I can actually do what I want to do with the device, instead of what the developer allows me to.

Fair enough. I know I've said it a thousand times, but I'm so over doing the "advanced/geeky" stuff on my phone. That to me equal to tinkering, which is something I don't want to do. I want to turn my phone on, have some stability, have it run smoothly and have a wide variety of apps/games. Done. Android doesn't offer this IMO.

Deal breakers on iOS:

All apps MUST come from app store

Why is this a problem? Are there really that many apps outside the Android Market you have installed? Besides Swype, Firefox and a few small apps, all of my apps came from the Android Market; and all of those apps I mentioned are no longer installed, therefore I'm running strictly off of Market apps.

Can't use a different keyboard (swype, swiftkey)

Swype is in Cydia, but I think it's oveerrated. The standard keyboard is fine enough for me. Also, since I'm a fast typer, the iPhone keyboard doesn't lag like the Android keyboard does.

Not true multitasking

The multitasking on my iPad works just fine.

No widgets

Widgets are overrated too IMO, most of them are just a pretty hyperlink to the actual app itself. Some being Tapatalk, Market, Music, etc. I quit using them since they tend to slow down my phone UI.

Changing settings takes 10 menus (e.g. SBSettings is required)

I can see this being a problem and maybe worth jailbreaking. I don't have an iPhone yet so I can't really comment on this.

No file management on the device (need iTunes)

I don't do any real file management on my Android phone, don't see any need in it. On my iPad, all of my files are in Dropbox.

iTunes (super bloat)

iTunes is kind of a crappy program. I hated using it in Windows but it's a different scene on a Mac.

My iPad decided to take a dump this morning and I had to restore from a backup. Backups on iTunes are pretty darn painless, just like Android. With iOS 5, it will make it that much better (cuttin the cords).

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