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Maverick123w
07-21-11, 09:10 AM
Pre-orders came up today for anyone interested

http://www.swtor.com/preorder

ElL33t
07-21-11, 01:22 PM
$150 for a video game, isn't that a bit much? It seems like a neat game but that is a silly price. At least with COD you got night vision goggles or a RC car. This you get a disk tin, poster and a music CD.

I might pick this up but I don't know anything a bout MMORPGs.

Ninjaman09
07-22-11, 09:03 AM
The $150 is for the collector's edition. The game is $60, which is still very steep for an MMORPG. I know someone in the beta and have not heard very good things about this so I'd caution anyone considering the game to wait a while post-release before buying. My gut is telling me this is going to be a flop.

ElL33t
07-22-11, 12:06 PM
The $150 is for the collector's edition. The game is $60, which is still very steep for an MMORPG. I know someone in the beta and have not heard very good things about this so I'd caution anyone considering the game to wait a while post-release before buying. My gut is telling me this is going to be a flop.

yeah that's what I was talking about, the CE. I wasn't clear about it though. :p


I tend to not listen to what people say on video games. I am a lot easier to please than most people as far as video games go, as such I rarely tell my friends what I think of games or listen to what they think of games.

Mr. Hunt
07-22-11, 12:15 PM
The $150 is for the collector's edition. The game is $60, which is still very steep for an MMORPG. I know someone in the beta and have not heard very good things about this so I'd caution anyone considering the game to wait a while post-release before buying. My gut is telling me this is going to be a flop.

My gut tells me it will do alright. Purely because it is Star Wars. I know Galaxies didn't do well, but that had many issues... this one seems to follow the WoW method, so it will do ok, I think.

Yaboze
07-24-11, 10:03 AM
The WoW CE's are about half that, $150 is pretty steep.

Maverick123w
07-24-11, 11:59 AM
Ordered the digital deluxe verison... personally can't wait for this game.

Ninjaman09
07-24-11, 12:12 PM
I tend to not listen to what people say on video games. I am a lot easier to please than most people as far as video games go, as such I rarely tell my friends what I think of games or listen to what they think of games.

Fair enough, but personally I find most of the time if a game is not really up to par it's reception reflects that. I'd hate to invest the time and money an MMORPG requires and find myself with buyer's remorse, forcing myself to make excuses for the shortcomings and hoping it'll get better with time.

You mentioned that you hadn't played an MMORPG before, so I can tell you that in the current market World of Warcraft is light years ahead of any of the competition, and I just can't see this changing. Every "WoW-killer" that has been released since 2004 has either died off or gone free-to-play. I guess Rift would be an exception to this rule, but it's really just a WoW clone with a few features inspired by other failed MMORPGs. Many of WoW's long-time player base has become disgruntled or bored with the game since the last two expansions, and Rift offers gameplay closer to "classic" WoW.

Old Republic actually makes some drastic changes to the MMORPG formula and comparing it to WoW is frankly ridiculous. It's far more solo-play and story-driven, and it is not clear how its endgame will function (which is by far the most important part of an MMORPG for a long-term subscriber). WoW's endgame consists of either competitive PvP or raiding (or both) and you derive enjoyment from group activities such as completing difficult raid encounters or getting a high ranking in the Arena ladder. Solo play at endgame is crushingly boring and if you don't have a group of friends to play with, you will want to uninstall or create new characters.

I'm not saying the game is doomed to failure, just to approach it cautiously and definitely don't drop $150 on a game that may not make it past its first year.

My gut tells me it will do alright. Purely because it is Star Wars. I know Galaxies didn't do well, but that had many issues... this one seems to follow the WoW method, so it will do ok, I think.

The name recognition will earn it a strong following at release, no doubt about that. What really matters is whether Bioware can deliver strong content updates and a compelling game experience for not only leveling but endgame as well. Not many MMORPGs have been able to do this. It's no fun to hit max level in a game like this and have nothing to do because the developers spent so much time and effort on extraneous things like fully-voiced NPCs and ingame cutscenes.

Yaboze
07-25-11, 11:35 AM
I'm a MMO freak, love Star Wars and played Star Wars Galaxies until WoW came out, then they ruined SWG in 2005 with the "New Game Experience (NGE)", but that's another story.

With that said, even I am apprehensive about dropping $150 for a CE of this game. If you never played a MMO, it's almost crazy to do so.

ElL33t
07-25-11, 12:12 PM
Fair enough, but personally I find most of the time if a game is not really up to par it's reception reflects that. I'd hate to invest the time and money an MMORPG requires and find myself with buyer's remorse, forcing myself to make excuses for the shortcomings and hoping it'll get better with time.

You mentioned that you hadn't played an MMORPG before, so I can tell you that in the current market World of Warcraft is light years ahead of any of the competition, and I just can't see this changing. Every "WoW-killer" that has been released since 2004 has either died off or gone free-to-play. I guess Rift would be an exception to this rule, but it's really just a WoW clone with a few features inspired by other failed MMORPGs. Many of WoW's long-time player base has become disgruntled or bored with the game since the last two expansions, and Rift offers gameplay closer to "classic" WoW.

Old Republic actually makes some drastic changes to the MMORPG formula and comparing it to WoW is frankly ridiculous. It's far more solo-play and story-driven, and it is not clear how its endgame will function (which is by far the most important part of an MMORPG for a long-term subscriber). WoW's endgame consists of either competitive PvP or raiding (or both) and you derive enjoyment from group activities such as completing difficult raid encounters or getting a high ranking in the Arena ladder. Solo play at endgame is crushingly boring and if you don't have a group of friends to play with, you will want to uninstall or create new characters.

I'm not saying the game is doomed to failure, just to approach it cautiously and definitely don't drop $150 on a game that may not make it past its first year.



The name recognition will earn it a strong following at release, no doubt about that. What really matters is whether Bioware can deliver strong content updates and a compelling game experience for not only leveling but endgame as well. Not many MMORPGs have been able to do this. It's no fun to hit max level in a game like this and have nothing to do because the developers spent so much time and effort on extraneous things like fully-voiced NPCs and ingame cutscenes.

I hear ya and thanks for the input. I understand that the first month is free. I guess if you play it for a month and quit then you will get your moneys worth. Most games do not hold your attention for more than a week and we pay $60 for them. Just think of the game as an RPG and you should be happy if you play it for a few weeks then drop it. Shoot I played Bioshock and Bioshock2 with a total of 8 hours for both. I'd say a month of game play is pretty good. Still, I get your point. Like I said, I'm easy to please. I had cream of tuna on toast (SOS) last night and loved it. :D

Maverick123w
07-25-11, 12:36 PM
I'm a MMO freak, love Star Wars and played Star Wars Galaxies until WoW came out, then they ruined SWG in 2005 with the "New Game Experience (NGE)", but that's another story.

With that said, even I am apprehensive about dropping $150 for a CE of this game. If you never played a MMO, it's almost crazy to do so.

Then don't buy the CE..... I don't get why everyone is up in arms about this. It's not like it's the only option available to you.

Yaboze
07-25-11, 01:33 PM
I'm not, lol. I'm just saying for someone who's never played a MMO, to drop 150 on a game they haven't played is crazy.

True, it's not the only option, but I have never seen a CE for a game that high.

ElL33t
07-25-11, 02:37 PM
Then don't buy the CE..... I don't get why everyone is up in arms about this. It's not like it's the only option available to you.

No one is up in arms. My initial point was it isn't a good value. I pointed out two games that were of better value. You got night vision goggles for a bit less for the first Modern Warfare and a rc vehicle for the second. If someone likes what the $150 price break for star wars offers then they will get it. It just seems pretty steep for me. I will get the regular version and be happy.

I'm sure the game will be fun. I really like RPGs, so this is right up my alley.

Bah!
07-25-11, 10:56 PM
Then don't buy the CE..... I don't get why everyone is up in arms about this. It's not like it's the only option available to you.

Everyone is all up in arms because charging twice the usual price of the average MMO CE is a sleazy thing to do.

Seriously, the most I've ever seen for a MMO CE edition is around $90. The fact that EA is charging $150 just goes to show that they don't mind taking advantage of their customers. Hell, when the digital CE version is as much as most boxed versions that come with a bunch of stuff, you know they don't mind ripping them off.

Can they do it?...sure. Will people buy it?...no doubt. Is it a dick move on their part?...absolutely!

Ninjaman09
07-26-11, 01:56 PM
Yeah the $150 is a bit crazy. Granted you don't have to buy it, but there should be some kind of intermediate offering.

ElL33t to respond to your earlier post you did make a great point that you can get your money's worth from the first free month. I say go for it if you're looking forward to it. Good chance I'll be doing the same despite my hesitation.

ElL33t
07-31-11, 06:15 PM
I did purchase this game. Hope it holds me attention for a few weeks.

Zeta
07-31-11, 10:44 PM
I pre-ordered the game. As mentioned, I too play most games less than a month and spend $60 on those games. I don't see how you can go wrong. This is a Star Wars game after all.

Bah!
08-01-11, 04:34 PM
I pre-ordered the game. As mentioned, I too play most games less than a month and spend $60 on those games. I don't see how you can go wrong. This is a Star Wars game after all.

I'm a pretty hardcore Star Wars fan and I almost spit tea out of my nose because of your last two lines. Star does not guarantee a good game, in fact it generally means just the opposite. For every decent Star Wars game out there, there are a dozen horrible ones.

I pre-ordered the game, and I'm hoping it's good, but I can see a million ways it could go wrong and thinking it will be good based on IP alone isn't something I would do.

Zeta
08-06-11, 04:53 AM
LOL. Very, very good point. Sorry. I should have said its Bioware and Star Wars...

tornadog
08-07-11, 08:40 AM
How early do you guys think the early access would be? I just want to experience the game for its Star Wars theme but not have to shell out 60 bucks for it. I really liked that WOW had that 10 day trail, and of course LOTRO is now f2p. Thats the only 2 I have played so far.

Zeta
08-07-11, 09:17 AM
Unless I missed it they have not said how early you will get the early access. For all I know the early access will be 1 day before everyone else.

I used to be really opposed to the monthly subscription games. One day I realized, this is just about the cheapest form of entertainment I have. I take the wife to a movie and with drinks and popcorn we spent $30. That only lasts 2 - 3 hours. I can play WoW unlimited hours a month for $15. Free is better, but $15 is really not a bad deal at all.

Mr. Hunt
08-07-11, 02:23 PM
My guess is 1-2 days for early access. Don't see them having it be more than that.

|MaguS|
08-19-11, 12:00 PM
I got in the beta! :D

Ninja Prime
08-20-11, 01:26 PM
How is it? I heard it was WoW with a star wars theme and bioware-style conversation trees...

|MaguS|
08-20-11, 01:31 PM
How is it? I heard it was WoW with a star wars theme and bioware-style conversation trees...

Basically yeah... the main difference between the combat system is that there is no auto attack...

The graphics are ok but the gameplay is the same **** we have played. The game is very story focused with every quest having recorded dialog. I did my first group required quest and its ok, I like that the quest cant be started without both (or all) questers being ready.

There are a tleast some differences between the Jedi and Sith classes which is good. The main differences are the skills available...