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Kain
08-15-03, 07:18 AM
Which one of these two graphics cards is better for gaming?

rokzy
08-15-03, 07:22 AM
the 9600 Pro.

I don't mean to support FM in any way but a quick look at the hall of fame, the 9600 is just under the 5800. 5600 does not make top 10.

plus the 9600 overclocks massively.

saturnotaku
08-15-03, 07:33 AM
Radeon 9500 Pro if you can find one. Plenty of online retailers still have this card available. It may be older, but it has 8 pipelines as opposed to the 9600s 4.

phial
08-16-03, 12:19 AM
and 4 vertex/pixel shaders, compared ot the 9600pros 2 of each

5150 Joker
08-16-03, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Kain
Which one of these two graphics cards is better for gaming?

The 9600 pro is the better card.

Slappi
08-16-03, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Kain
Which one of these two graphics cards is better for gaming?

Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

combat_wombat
08-16-03, 01:00 AM
the 5600ultra rev 2 is all around faster.. Just make sure it is a revision 2. Of course it's price is close to a 9700np.

Here's a good roundup

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/index.html

5150 Joker
08-16-03, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Slappi
Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

Um no actually the 5600 ultra rev. 2 isn't faster..it's slower: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAyLDU=

combat_wombat
08-16-03, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Slappi
Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

they just act around here like they have acted at Rage3d for YEARS. You learn to ignore it.

5150 Joker
08-16-03, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by combat_wombat
the 5600ultra rev 2 is all around faster.. Just make sure it is a revision 2. Of course it's price is close to a 9700np.

Here's a good roundup

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030714/index.html

Old review and it's tomshardware :rolleyes: Here's a more recent review with the latest drivers: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAyLDU=

combat_wombat
08-16-03, 01:07 AM
and here's another one. 9600 pro gets beat

http://www.pcpop.com/article/2003/673/1.shtml

how long do want to back and forth? HAHA

5150 Joker
08-16-03, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by combat_wombat
and here's another one. 9600 pro gets beat

http://www.pcpop.com/article/2003/673/1.shtml

how long do want to back and forth? HAHA

Oh wow a no-name asian website, you got me there! :rolleyes: Try finding something RECENT and credible.

The Baron
08-16-03, 01:20 AM
The only places where benchmark scores with no AA matter are in Splinter Cell, Doom 3, and HL2.

GlowStick
08-16-03, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by The Baron
The only places where benchmark scores with no AA matter are in Splinter Cell, Doom 3, and HL2. i actually disagree, for value cards AA is not important. Espically if they play at Lans or play to win.

Even if you ignore the fact that the value cards are 'reviewed' on 3.2ghz machines with 1gig of ram.......

When i play UT2k3 at lans or on the net i turn aa and af off for more preformance, espically in the open maps, and you have to look up when someone is on the higher than you.

And finally, games only become more demanding, so i dont see how someone can recomend a card on the basis of it haveing better AA that you cannot ever use, than to a card that preforms better with out AA on.

rokzy
08-16-03, 05:21 AM
Originally posted by Slappi
Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

some people are very bitter that nvidia is getting its arse kicked in almost every department.

get over it.

muzz
08-16-03, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Slappi
Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

I think if NV stopped dickin' around their fans would be happier, I don't see how they need to get a life because they are sick of the BS that NV has been spewing......

If YOU accept the bs they are pulling then good for you.

Lets see the 2nd revision of the same chip is better.....hmmmmmmm.
Are you certain? Or is this just slappi talking like slappi as usual?

Edit: BTW whats so "unatural" for folks to go to the manufacturer with better gear?
Whats unnatural is for fanboys to stay with an IHV that spews BS while they gobble it up ( kinda like a pornstar, but at least they get paid)....

Any other way of looking at it is just fanboy behavior IMO.

Hanners
08-16-03, 06:24 AM
Originally posted by The Baron
The only places where benchmark scores with no AA matter are in Splinter Cell, Doom 3, and HL2.

I'd say that AA is the crux of this matter really.

If you don't want to use AA, then get the 5600 Ultra as it's got the raw performance that will benefit you in that situation.

If you do want to use AA, then the 9600 Pro is the way to go. It may also have the edge in future games that make heavy use of Pixel Shader 2.0, but that remains to be seen.

AthlonXP1800
08-16-03, 07:34 AM
I think it best to wait next month to get 5800 for $150 when 5700 and 5700 Ultra will be launch next month, $200 for 5700 and $300 for 5700 Ultra. Things move fast! Oh and dont forget the cards will still getting cheaper again in next 2 and 3 months when NV40 launch. :p

The Baron
08-16-03, 10:39 AM
GlowStick--a value card is a 9600 non-Pro, a 9200, or a 5200 (Ultra).

I can run most everything with AA on my 9600 Pro.

NickSpolec
08-16-03, 10:57 AM
I think if NV stopped dickin' around their fans would be happier, I don't see how they need to get a life because they are sick of the BS that NV has been spewing......

Actually, if they would stop dickin' around WITH their fans, the fans would be happier.

All Nvidia pulls these days are "Corporate Slim-Ball Tactics".

They do not take any responsabilty for their actions, faults or mistakes, and just brush over what they have done as though it never mattered. Nvidia has done nothing recently to gain respect from people, only lose it.

So, for all those bitching about the "Nvidia Hate", wake up and realize it's Nvidia's own fault, not the fans. Nvidia dug it's own hole.

*Cough*

they just act around here like they have acted at Rage3d for YEARS. You learn to ignore it.

Like a few said. Get the 9500 pro if you can get one.

Also the 5600 ultra second revision is better than the 9600 pro .... most around here have grown attached to ATI for some unnatural reason and actually hate nVidia. They need to grow up and get a life.

*Cough*

B_Jones
08-29-03, 09:12 PM
I just received my Chaintech FX71 5600 Ultra this week, and i must say it kicks ass. Not only in performance, but man it looks incredible, especially all lit up with the blue LED it comes with.

www.ocaddiction.com reviewed the Tyan Tachyon G9600 Pro (radeon 9600 Pro) recently. So, i ran the UT2K3 HardOCP benchmark using the same settings he used.....THE RESULTS ARE ATTACHED in excel format. Reason I picked that Tachyon 9600 Pro is because it has a nice custom cooling system from the factory, sorta like my FX71 5600 ultra.

Remember too, that the ocaddiction guy has a 3.0G P4 in his rig, I'm using an XP2500 Barton at 210x9.5=2.010G. Still beat it.

I'm gonna continue to Benchmark tonight and this weekend, and will post some 3dMark03 results compared to his.

B_Jones
08-29-03, 09:15 PM
Oh, my system specs are:

Abit NF7-S v2.0 bios18
XP2500 Barton @ 210x9.5=2.005G
CoolerMaster Aero 7+
2-256MB Kingston HyperX PC3500 in Dual Channel Mode
Maxtor 120GB 8MB Cache HDD
Chaintech FX71 5600 Ultra

Rogozhin
08-29-03, 11:00 PM
9600pro

Edited by MUYA - No need for flamebait here, please just keep it sensible.
rogo

teebus
09-09-03, 05:00 PM
Additionally, the Radeon 9600 pro is expected to perform slightly better in upcoming DX9 titles, due to its greater Pixel Shader 2.0 performance/flexibility (DirectX9 ++).

I would trust Nvidia, with the imminent release of det 50.x to follow in ATI's new Catalyst release, to dramatically improve the performance of the NV30-35+ series' Vertex and Pixel shaders.

One thing to bear in mind:

The Radeon 9600 uses a set number of vertex shaders. When, howevever, more complex operations or numerous simple operations are required, more programmability is imperative (eg- CineFX architecture for GFFX5600)
:condom: :rant: (sorry- I couldn't resist)