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wheeljack12
11-30-11, 07:07 AM
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20111128233316_Nvidia_s_Next_Gen_Kepler_Graphics_C hips_to_Support_DirectX_11_1.html

mojoman0
11-30-11, 10:19 PM
So gtx 680 when?

Redeemed
12-01-11, 12:07 AM
So gtx 680 when?

This time next year. :lol:

Logical
12-01-11, 01:20 AM
Nah the GTX 680 witll be one of the first keplars to be released. It's the lower end models that will take a year like the GTX650, GTX 670 and then the sandwich GTX690.

I still think we have GTX680 before summer.

K007
12-01-11, 01:25 AM
wouldn't that give ati a head start for awhile?...

i wanted to go green this time...but i need to retire my 5870 soon..

MUYA
12-01-11, 03:08 AM
I need a 580 GTX replacement nao!!!

Kain
12-01-11, 05:51 AM
According to another road map, I find it interesting that the GTX 580 replacement is a dual-GPU card while the GTX 590 replacement is a single-GPU monster.

Fotis
12-01-11, 10:48 AM
I've had my 5870 since october 2009 so I think its my time to upgrade.
Although I'd like to go nvidia this next round cause I've bought ATI cards since 2900XT wil I have to wait long after the 7000 series launch in january or just a couple of months? Information about the high end cards seems a bit conflicting!

mojoman0
12-01-11, 01:20 PM
ugh i wanted to build in like march/april with ivy bridge + gtx 680. now what??? not waiting any longer than that

Intel17
12-03-11, 01:26 PM
I really doubt that AMD is magically able to get their 28nm high end cards out before NVIDIA is able to even get out their low end Keplers.

However if they are, my AMD stock will probably shoot through the roof and then I can use the profits to buy a Kepler :P

Redeemed
12-03-11, 07:38 PM
I really doubt that AMD is magically able to get their 28nm high end cards out before NVIDIA is able to even get out their low end Keplers.

However if they are, my AMD stock will probably shoot through the roof and then I can use the profits to buy a Kepler :P

Wow! :rofl

G@merX
12-05-11, 04:21 PM
How important will dx 11.1 be? I remember when dx10.1 arrived and ATI was the only one to have it, they bragged and boasted but I think in reality, only 2 games took advantage of it and it wasn't really a big deal in image quality.

I'm more interested in performance gains on current and upcoming dx11 titles with the 6xx series than I am about implementing what will probably be a useless 11.1 upgrade. Though I haven't read much on dx11.1 so I may be wrong, but the last time a .1 seemed worth while was dx8.1 yeeeeears ago.

Bah!
12-05-11, 05:22 PM
All the more reason why you should upgrade your computer when you feel the need instead of waiting for the next best thing. People have been telling others to wait for Kepler for months now and it might be another 6-12 months off?...lame.

john19055
12-31-11, 05:55 AM
The new HD 7970 looks to be a good card and the 7990 looks even better if it is going to be priced at The $800 to $850 because two HD 7970 will run around $1100 if the prices stay at what they say.If the GTX 680 is not comeing out until the end of 2012 ,I see AMD stock going up .Because the few that want the fastest card is not going to want to wait to the end of next year.I know the top end cards don't make up the most buiness ,it usally the lower end and I can see why nvidia is wanted to wait,look at all the problems they had with the GTX 480.By the end of the year thier yields should be a lot better.But if they get real good yields I see the GTX 680 comeing out sooner.

Rollo
01-06-12, 12:46 PM
The new HD 7970 looks to be a good card and the 7990 looks even better if it is going to be priced at The $800 to $850 because two HD 7970 will run around $1100 if the prices stay at what they say.
You will never see a part that offers the performance of two comparable parts for less money. A.Single boards carry a premium because they can be used on non CF/SLi mobos, and can create quad GPU scenarios easier. B. Companies don't cannibalize their own sales like that.


If the GTX 680 is not comeing out until the end of 2012 ,I see AMD stock going up .Because the few that want the fastest card is not going to want to wait to the end of next year.I know the top end cards don't make up the most buiness ,it usally the lower end and I can see why nvidia is wanted to wait,look at all the problems they had with the GTX 480.By the end of the year thier yields should be a lot better.But if they get real good yields I see the GTX 680 comeing out sooner.

That's because you look at it like a consumer of video cards, not a business person. The year the 5870 launched with no DX11 competition from NVIDIA, NVIDIA gained market share from ATi in Q4 just by selling existing parts at lower prices. And you're forgetting AMD is a much larger company than ATi and cannot be supported by ATi's sales to half the video card market. And you're forgetting the reason ATi sold out to AMD in the first place: even though they often had competitive or even better parts, they very seldom made money. That's still the case, they make a few million, lose a few million, never really break out and bank high profits.

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing NVIDIA selling 28nm Fermi based products clocked higher this year. Don't see any great need for DX11.1 this month or soon, and I think parts like that would compete well. If reading 800 7970 reviews has taught me anything it's that a. GTX580s are way better than 6970s b. 7970s aren't much better than GTX580s, especially the 3GB ones for the multimonitor crowd.

If NVIDIA told me today "Rollo, you are just one crazy f***. Take our name out of your sig and lose our phone numbers." I wouldn't bother updating to 7970s. I'd still wait for Keplers, or something better from ATi.

K007
01-06-12, 06:29 PM
How important will dx 11.1 be? I remember when dx10.1 arrived and ATI was the only one to have it, they bragged and boasted but I think in reality, only 2 games took advantage of it and it wasn't really a big deal in image quality.

I'm more interested in performance gains on current and upcoming dx11 titles with the 6xx series than I am about implementing what will probably be a useless 11.1 upgrade. Though I haven't read much on dx11.1 so I may be wrong, but the last time a .1 seemed worth while was dx8.1 yeeeeears ago.

I think some games did use it...was it more of a AA advantage or something? Ass Creed had it and it was giving ati a lead in fps, but was later patched out because of nvidia.

maybe most of the games had the nvidia logo is probably why we didnt see 10.1 take off.

Roadhog
01-09-12, 07:48 PM
Little chart I found.

http://www.abload.de/img/exclusivexebu8.png

Ninja Prime
01-09-12, 08:18 PM
Little chart I found.

http://www.abload.de/img/exclusivexebu8.png

While the numbers seem somewhat logical, the shader throughput doesn't match the # of units and clocks they have there. Especially if, as rumor has it, they have dropped the hot-clock on the shaders.

Johnny C
01-09-12, 09:24 PM
While the numbers seem somewhat logical, the shader throughput doesn't match the # of units and clocks they have there. Especially if, as rumor has it, they have dropped the hot-clock on the shaders.

arithmetic misspelt.....fail...

Rollo
01-09-12, 09:58 PM
arithmetic misspelt.....fail...

Not to mention the transistor count improperly lists "3 Billion" as "3 Billions".

Definitely "NVIDIA confidential".....

Mojoe
01-10-12, 04:47 AM
About kepler, here is what Kyle over at Hard had to say.

Kyle_Bennett
There will be nothing about Kepler at CES. I am hearing out till June now........dunno.

Rollo
01-10-12, 06:04 AM
About kepler, here is what Kyle over at Hard had to say.

Kyle_Bennett

NVIDIA sent a notice out yesterday that said kepler would launch in the first half of 2012, did not say when.

Probably depends on yields on yields per wafer and if they need another respin to sell profitably or the next batch can go. Rev number on the chip at launch will tell us if it's 2nd or 3rd try. (or higher, but I think they usually go 2nd or 3rd batch)

Logical
01-10-12, 12:02 PM
Little chart I found.

http://www.abload.de/img/exclusivexebu8.png

Is that 'Baloney' thats watermarked into the picture....lmao :D

K007
01-12-12, 04:34 AM
any legit specs on the kepler yet? or is nvidia reworking their plans? its one hell of a long wait for nvidia

Rollo
01-12-12, 06:37 AM
any legit specs on the kepler yet? or is nvidia reworking their plans? its one hell of a long wait for nvidia

Apparently you are unaware of how the design process works. Allow me to be of assistance.

The chips are designed over yeaars, NVIDIA can't "rework their plans" because AMD released a part that is a whole 16% faster than what NVIDIA was doing a year ago.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7970_CrossFire/23.html

So basically what Kepler was a year ago is what Kepler is today. A better question might be: "Why would NVIDIA need to redesign Kepler as they have never released a part that was as small of an increase over their last gen as the 7970 turned out to be?".

Not to mention it's been rumored at several sites the 7970 was rushed to market to get some sales in the only market it can (one with no competition) and that the real ATi refresh will happen later this year. The 7970 is going to be 2012s Bulldozer, first to market, and worst to market. A part made to scam $550 out of people crazy enough to think what NVIDIA has been working on the last few years won't make 16% over the 580 look like weaksauce.