Delta chrome

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Sotos
Hmmm

So it runs Warcraft3 even if it is not supported for S3 cards

Both S3 deltacrome high end and XGI high end solutions will be faster from 9800pro and 5900ultra as someone said :eek:

But ATI and Nvidia already are going to release the Nv38 and R360 soon hehe

Me and my friend have a joke that goes something like this

"Dude, im gonna buy a DeltaChrome, its gonna rape your 9800Pro and only cost $70"

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by GlowStick
"Dude, im gonna buy a DeltaChrome, its gonna rape your 9800Pro and only cost $70"

That's another thing I want to know - price.

If, as was indicated, one of their cards will be like a 9600 Pro with 8 pipes (which would really make it more like a 9500 Pro) will it be priced comparably, more or less?

[ragejg]

http://www.elecdesign.com/Files/29/5166/Figure_01.gif

Here's some older Deltachrome S8 pipeline info for reference...

[saturnotaku]

"Proprietary algorithms"

Hmmm....not liking the sound of that. Maybe it won't have any impact on anything, but you never know. :|

[druga runda]

Delta Chrome Preview at Tech Report

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2003q3/deltachrome/index.x?pg=1

sounds good.... now let them deliver...

the only mayor ommission in the chip is the supprt for 2XSSAA only... but hey who can blame them, and it sounds like R9500 pro otherwise according to them... which can only be a good thing.

[Darth Rancid]

Oh, DeltaChrome has come out into the light!
That ideawith low transistor counts is what I believe brought down all the Savage chips... trying to do too much with too few transistors... This time, however, they have had four years to work on it, (if it launches in q4 this year), so maybe, just maybe they've got it to work this time around!
I surely hope they have...

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Darth Rancid
That ideawith low transistor counts is what I believe brought down all the Savage chips... trying to do too much with too few transistors...

If broken hardware transform and lighting is caused by too few transistors, then yes, that's definitely what brought down the Savage 4. Hopefully the Delta Chrome won't be a 3D graphics decelerator like its previous products were.

[Kev1]

In the Delta Chrome preview article they show the performance card with BGA memory.

I hope they have successful release and the card does DX9 great. Xmas time is looking good for buying video cards :D

Ragejg is getting some scoops lately :clever:

[ragejg]

Thanks Kev1... :)

I can't believe they have a functioning FOUR LAYER prototype... When did nv/ATI have 4 layer cards? TNT1 era?

[Sotos]

Originally posted by druga runda
Delta Chrome Preview at Tech Report

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2003q3/deltachrome/index.x?pg=1

sounds good.... now let them deliver...

the only mayor ommission in the chip is the supprt for 2XSSAA only... but hey who can blame them, and it sounds like R9500 pro otherwise according to them... which can only be a good thing.


Deltacrome=9500pro
So my 9800pro will still be better
:p

[Dr Unknown]

Originally posted by druga runda
Delta Chrome Preview at Tech Report

http://www.techreport.com/etc/2003q3/deltachrome/index.x?pg=1

sounds good.... now let them deliver...

the only mayor ommission in the chip is the supprt for 2XSSAA only... but hey who can blame them, and it sounds like R9500 pro otherwise according to them... which can only be a good thing.

It have 16xSSAA and 16xMSAA, 16 AF....

http://www.s3graphics.com/PO053-A1DeltaChromeProductOverview20030716.pdf

[Hellbinder]

No Delta Chrome only offers 2x FSAA per chip.

Max for the High end DeltaChrome is 16X AF and 2X FSAA

[ragejg]

"arbitrary-x super sampling and 16x multi-sampling high performance antialiasing"

uhhh, HB, you read that part of the PDF, right?

:confused:

[Dr Unknown]

Hi HB.

Dit you read the pdf i link to...

[Hellbinder]

Thats all well and Good but the Folks themselves state 2x MSAA only on Delta Chrome.

I have no idea why the PDF says 16X MSAA. Its just not true. The Chip does not have anywhere near the Transistor count to support such a feature.

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I have no idea why the PDF says 16X MSAA. Its just not true. The Chip does not have anywhere near the Transistor count to support such a feature.

Makes sense since the DC also flat out says things about lower transistor count. And if that was true about the four layer PCB...whoa. :eek:

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Thats all well and Good but the Folks themselves state 2x MSAA only on Delta Chrome.

I have no idea why the PDF says 16X MSAA. Its just not true. The Chip does not have anywhere near the Transistor count to support such a feature.

It's not even 2x MSAA. It's 2x SSAA! So we can say that DeltaChrome will have pretty mediocre FSAA quality(most likely, I doubt they are focused on IQ when they support only one mode of FSAA), that will come at a hefty performance hit :(

The Tech Report article is newer than the S3 pdf, so I think I'll trust the article. The only reason I can think of why they would be supporting 2x SSAA is because something went horribly wrong with hardware MSAA...

[Shadowx]

Damn another true DX9 card! thats two of them now :D If they can bring decent dx9 performance to the mainstreme and value market at a good price then they will be very sucesfull. On the mobile and integrated (with via chipsets) is where they will be big and will have VIA ready to have DX9 Integrated chipsets for longhorn. If the first cards perform well and have stable drivers in DX9 titles i will put some money on VIA stock because they will be mayor suppliers in a future longhorn realease in mobile, desktop and the integrated market.

[Sotos]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
It's not even 2x MSAA. It's 2x SSAA! So we can say that DeltaChrome will have pretty mediocre FSAA quality(most likely, I doubt they are focused on IQ when they support only one mode of FSAA), that will come at a hefty performance hit :(

The Tech Report article is newer than the S3 pdf, so I think I'll trust the article. The only reason I can think of why they would be supporting 2x SSAA is because something went horribly wrong with hardware MSAA...

You are right

I saw the preview about the card and it seems it has a big disadvantage with Fsaa over Nvidia and ATI sollution

that does not sound promising for the GAMER :(

And it does not official Support OpenGL 2.0 effects as i read :( :eek:

It seems S3 is not trying to hit the market with a GPU that will crash every opponent with SUPER SPEED and WITH extreme quality settings...they intend to make a Very good Middle end GPU that the faster version of it will hit the 9800 but not the pro models :(
and that's bad for someone who plays games and wants a REAL high end card Ultra fast that will last for a big period of time for demanding games

I do not think these S3 Gpu is so interesting for me at all :(

It seems i will stay with ATI or Nvidia High end sollutions after all :)

[druga runda]

I guess it will break down on the cost for S3 again and of course reliability most of all. But imagine a DX9 card which performs better than R9600 without AA and in 70-80£ range - I am pretty certain it would make many "normal" gamers happy.

The question is - How much it will cost, but with 4 layer PCB and seriously lower transistor count, it should be below £100... I would hope for £70 for the R9500 equivalent... It's VIA after all :D I just hope it's really as fast and compatible as R9500

[Yuet]

I wonder how's the performance/value ratio of this card under no AA and no AF settings in DX9 gaming.