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ATOJAR
01-01-12, 01:30 PM
Guys im possibly gonna do a little upgrade to a Corsair 120GB Force 3 SSD CSSD-F120GB3-BK (http://www.ebuyer.com/268693-corsair-120gb-force-3-ssd-cssd-f120gb3-bk-cssd-f120gb3-bk) Sometime this week just for windows and apps.

Before i do i would like alittle input please. Are the above drives any good? Or are there any other drives of a similar price(120)that you would recommend instead? :)

EDIT: Sorry just noticed i posted this in the wrong section. :o

pross
01-01-12, 01:35 PM
I have one, love it.

dukenukemz
01-01-12, 01:38 PM
I have 2x 60GB force 3 SSD's in RAID 0 really good SSD to buy right now

nekrosoft13
01-01-12, 02:08 PM
i have the 90gb, great drive

XDanger
01-01-12, 04:15 PM
For the price I payed for it I have no complaints (It was on special offer @ eBuyer cant remember how much), The firmware is fixed now, before it kept disappearing randomly, So unless it comes with the most recent you need to update asap.

ATOJAR
01-01-12, 06:48 PM
Guys i just thought, That SSD says its SATA III yet my board is only SATA II. Would this SSD still run at the stated speeds of:- Read Performance 550 MB/s & Write Performance: 510 MB/s?

Ninja Prime
01-01-12, 08:55 PM
Have the very same drive, for about 6 months now, still rock solid.

dukenukemz
01-01-12, 09:23 PM
with sata II the drive will max out at less speed probably 250~

ATOJAR
01-02-12, 05:02 AM
with sata II the drive will max out at less speed probably 250~


Yeah googled it, I was a little gutted after finding this out. I thought whats the point in spending money on a SATA III drive and have it go to waist when i can get a cheaper SATA II and get the best out of it.

Then i found out you can actually get a controller card. :D

StarTech.com 2 Port SATA 6 Gbps PCI Express SATA Controller Card. (http://www.ebuyer.com/205769-startech-com-2-port-sata-6-gbps-pci-express-sata-controller-card-pexsat32)

That sould to the trick right? I should get full speeds of: Read Performance 550 MB/s & Write Performance: 510 MB/s if i was too use one of the above controller cards with the SATA III SSD?

XDanger
01-02-12, 05:46 AM
to quote user review
"The card won't do 6Gbps, it'll do 5Gbps. This is noted in the option ROM for the card whcih you can access by pressing ctrl+M during post.

* The rated speed is for the controller, not for each port. i.e. with 2 drives your max throughput would be 5Gbps, not 10Gbps.

* I found optimum read and write performance using 2 of these cards with 4 SSD. I created 1 raid0 device per card then software raid 0 across the top in Linux. This gave me 760MB/s read and about 550MB/s write."

ATOJAR
01-02-12, 09:17 AM
to quote user review
"The card won't do 6Gbps, it'll do 5Gbps.

The card is advertised as a "StarTech.com 2 Port SATA 6 Gbps PCI Express SATA Controller Card."

Aint that false advertising? Ill sue there ass. :D

ATOJAR
01-02-12, 09:24 AM
Those cheap controllers usually suck. Good third party controllers, that are up to the task for those crazy fast SSDs, usually cost more than the SSDs, they're in the $400+ range.

If you plan to upgrade your mainboard/computer to a board with a native Intel SATA 3 controller soon, then go get a SATA 3 SSD. If not, wait.
That's why I'm still rocking my really old SSDs, my board holds me back (I don't want to use the crappy third party SATA 3 onboard controller).

Truthfully i have no intentions in upgrading any part of my system in the near future(bar a SSD). This rig still cuts through pretty much anything i throw at it with ease.

XDanger
01-02-12, 09:32 AM
120GB Force 3 is still worth considering if they drop the price a tad.

Logical
01-02-12, 09:36 AM
Here's a review from Hexus http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/storage/30998-corsair-120gb-force-series-3-ssd/

They recommend the 128GB Crucial m4 over this drive.

Personally im gonna go with a 120gb OCZ Vertex 3 for around 150

mullet
01-02-12, 10:19 AM
SSD Failure Rates (http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review/3)

Intel 0.59%

Corsair 2.17%

Crucial 2.25%

Kingston 2.39%

OCZ 2.93%
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XDanger
01-02-12, 10:24 AM
Here's a review from Hexus http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/storage/30998-corsair-120gb-force-series-3-ssd/

They recommend the 128GB Crucial m4 over this drive for the users working largely with incompressible data - such as photos, music and video


fix

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From numbers quoted from France in 02/12/2010, Is that the 12th of feb or 2nd of dec?

I guess slow and steady wins the race though eh ;)

sillyeagle
01-02-12, 04:08 PM
I'm leaning toward an Intel 320 120GB for now, until I upgrade my MBD later in the year, at which point I'll probably buy an Intel 520, which should be out by then, and move the 320 to either my laptop or my techbench PC. I think that will be the most efficient way to spend my money. That way I'll end up with an SSD for two systems, including a top of the line model.

I do want to stick with Intel though, not only because of the reliability factor, but also because they make their own firmware, which seems to give them an edge nobody else has.

ATOJAR
01-02-12, 04:28 PM
So even thought it will actually give me faster read/write speeds you guys still don't recommend me buying a controller card?

By the time i upgrade my cpu/mobo again there could be SATA 4/5 out.

ATOJAR
01-02-12, 06:56 PM
Ive been looking into the controller card option alittle more, Turns out if i purchase a SATA3 controller card, I have to make sure it is at least PCIe x4 to maximize the speed of my drive.

For example, Avoid cards based on the Marvell 9128, Which is PCIe x1 and limits bandwidth to 500mb/s.

I will probably buy a Corsair 120GB Force 3 SSD then when funds permit in a couple of weeks purchase a controller card, Something like this > StarTech.com 2 Port eSATA + 4 Port SATA PCI Express x4 SATA Controller Adapter Card (http://www.ebuyer.com/162229-startech-com-2-port-esata-4-port-sata-pci-express-x4-sata-pexsata24e)

Ill do some before and after controller card ATTO benchies, If the results suck ill just return the controller card.

mullet
01-02-12, 11:42 PM
Given how cheap SSDs are now and that there are no real alternatives to SATA 3 drives anymore, you can still get a SATA 3 drive and use it on a SATA 2 controller. It's still be best upgrade you can ever buy for your PC.

I'd get an Intel 510. Reliability counts, not the performance. Because in a real world scenario at home, you won't notice the slightly slower performance.


+1

ATOJAR
01-03-12, 12:09 PM
Good plan if you can return the controller.

But I doubt it's good enough. Maybe for a single drive but if you'd use all ports, it would cave under the pressure.
Like I said, good controllers are more expensive than good SSDs (within the usual home user capacities of course).

Well i do only plan on using the one SSD on the controller tbh.

Redeemed
01-03-12, 01:47 PM
Here's a thought- how noticable is the difference between SATA II at it's peak, and SATA III? In other words, in day to day usage will you really see a difference between that drive on a SATA II port compared to that same drive on a SATA III port?

I honestly don't know, hence why I'm asking. But I'm using a first generation 30GB SSD on SATA II right now and as is I'm not sure I could notice anything more, or at least anything significant, with a faster SSD. You may not need that controller and may be fine with your on-board SATA controller.

Think of it this way- that SSD will be able to keep up, and help improve the experience, when you do finally upgrade to a new motherboard and processor. :)

Over the course of this year I am going to start replacing some of my smaller hard drives with SSDs, and I'll be using the on-board controller. It will be an upgrade for me as they aren't going to be first generation SSDs- they'll likely peg the SATA bandwidth. Going off of your sig you don't even have an SSD- even running that Corsair off of your integrated SATA controller will be a significantly noticeable upgrade in performance.

Just some food for thought. :)

wheeljack12
01-03-12, 07:26 PM
slawter's right. I had a lsi 9260-4i (which is a sas and sata 3.0 card)on a amd board and I was getting 1.5gb/sec read and about 8-900mb write with 4 vertex 3's in raid 0. Also, the bigger name controllers allow you to make bigger stripe sizes than a motherboard can. MB's max at usually 128kb stripes, my card allowed up to 1mb stripes. I could use only up to 512kb stripes as windows 7 for some reason didn't like it. Also, the big name cards have firmware upgrades. I am guessing the cheap one there is probably a 4x pci-e. The lsi I had was 8x pci-e 2.0 and some can go as high as 16x pci-e 2.0. The only reason I don't use it now is that my gigabyte x79 board up until now won't post with the raid card in. But there has been a firmware upgrade to my mb that has "improved raid card compatibility". The only problem now is that I only have 1 ssd and I have to get my raid card back from someone who doesn't now raid worth a crap.

ATOJAR
01-04-12, 12:43 AM
Well judging what ive been reading from you lot(appreciate the input)i was actually quite tempted to just say forget the lot and just go for a SATA II drive, As i said earlier my system shows no signs of struggling so i don't see me upgrading anytime soon and i don't see the point in the extra speed of a SATA III drive going to waist on a SATA II motherboard.

After looking into the SATA II drives it turns out by the time a purchased a decent branded one(Intel 120GB 320@140+)it would actually be cheaper to buy the SATA III Corsair 120GB Force 3 for 125.

So with that in mine, With my current setup and the fact that i may not even upgrade my Motherboard/CPU for maybe another year(i stress "maybe" lol)Would you lot go for the SATA II Intel 120GB 320 or the cheaper SATA III Corsair 120GB Force 3(and no controller card)?

Redeemed
01-04-12, 01:04 AM
Well judging what ive been reading from you lot(appreciate the input)i was actually quite tempted to just say forget the lot and just go for a SATA II drive, As i said earlier my system shows no signs of struggling so i don't see me upgrading anytime soon and i don't see the point in the extra speed of a SATA III drive going to waist on a SATA II motherboard.

After looking into the SATA II drives it turns out by the time a purchased a decent branded one(Intel 120GB 320@140+)it would actually be cheaper to buy the SATA III Corsair 120GB Force 3 for 125.

So with that in mine, With my current setup and the fact that i may not even upgrade my Motherboard/CPU for maybe another year(i stress "maybe" lol)Would you lot go for the SATA II Intel 120GB 320 or the cheaper SATA III Corsair 120GB Force 3(and no controller card)?

If the SATA III drive is cheaper, get it. :)