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Dazz
08-29-03, 07:13 AM
Thinking of getting a new video card in the next couple of weeks or so.

But any between these two which would be better how far 2.2ns and how far does 2.8ns go? Also looking into a Radeon 9800NP/Pro.

296 Gainward GeforceFX Power Pack! 1200XP GS 128MB 2.2ns
296 Gainward GeforceFX Power Pack! 1300XP 256MB 2.8ns

Now i an't sure yet but i might be better off underclocking the memory @ 800MHz or leave it the way it is and see if i can increase the core clock, i hear the FX have problems when overclocking both memory and core speeds.

Malfunction
08-29-03, 07:43 AM
Good Question. I find myself in the same conundrum as well. Trying to decide between a BFG 5900 Non-Ultra or a Ultra or NV38. On the ATi side looking at the 256MB version of the 9800Pro or wait for the R360 256MB version.

Here is the points I have to make about both:

1) With the 5900's, I can run absolutely everything I play now (gamewise) at high res and get great results: Moto GP2 - BF1942/DC - MOH/SH - Madden NFL 2004 - Sims: Livin' Large - C&C Generals

2) Sure these cards might very well run HL2 and Doom III, however the cards that were ment to run it well are not going to be out till the first quarter of 2004.

3) Because of reason #2, different combinations are also going to look more interesting: Intel Prescott/PCI-Express - NV40 or Loki

4) PS 2.0 performance isn't that necessary if you don't play games that offer use of it. Ofcourse, what would be the explanation of why it cost as much as it does and yet offers poor performance using it?

5) Scrolling noise doesn't affect me at all, more are less surprised I get it with a FX5200 Ultra. However the flickering during 3D game activity would drive me nutty. :eek:

6) I don't play Ubi Soft games, I am more of a EA Games person it appears so 5900 would do my needs just fine.

After all this debate of which is better and who is this or that.... bottomline, it is still AGP bus and if you cared that much about it.. you will be going PCI-Xpress in Q1 anyways. So rather than make a huge debate over PS 2.0 use, if you play games that use it... ATi 9800. If you don't play Ubi Soft games or UT2K3 you should be ok with a 5900.

Now which one's? 256MB for me is my choice I am thinking, for the mere fact that I like high resolution. I sit so far away from my monitor currently, that 1280x1024 is really pushing it for me as far as distance between monitor and eye strain come. :D 1024x768 is pretty damn good except for the blurry text while using AA in games like BF1942. ( This will all change soon for me though as I will finally have my desk back and swivel chair in a months time, hence the reason for a 256MB card being of interest. :D )

Dazz, you bring up a really good point. However I would normally choose lower ns memory regardless. They typically turn out being very good overclockers if that is your thing as well.

DX9 games are here and more are coming. I think I can hold out 6 more months till it is time to get me a videocard that will really utilize DX9 fully, for the simple reason that if ATi's Loki isn't smoking the 9800, what would be the point of getting it? Same thing with NV40 vs. NV3x

My $0.02 as I am going through the samething myself.

Peace,

:confused: :D

The Baron
08-29-03, 07:46 AM
Meh. Right now, I'd buy one of the mid-range cards. Either a 5600 Ultra Rev. 2 or a 9600 Pro. That way, you can play all current gen games just fine and dandily, but you will save plenty of money to buy whatever the equivalent of the 5900 or 9800 NP is in the NV40/R420 generation.

Dazz
08-29-03, 08:07 AM
It would be more of a downgarde for me with a Ti4400 :o
Although i have looked and the Radeon 9800NP costs 217 while the GeForceFX 5600Ultra rev2 is 180.

Dazz
08-29-03, 11:17 AM
So how fast is 2.2Ns? 800MHz or 900MHz? Also 2.8ns is this 700MHz or 800MHz?

sebazve
08-29-03, 11:26 AM
i would get the 128 mb version it has faster ram, and from many reviews the extra ram isnt worth it right now unless you want to play at ultra high res with AA

Dazz
08-29-03, 11:40 AM
It was that i heard UT2003/2004 will use ultra high textures for 256MB cards and it sounded great also this game seem to show an improvement.

128MB Radeon 9800Pro
http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/rad_9800_256/ash2_low.jpg

256MB Radeon 9800Pro
http://www.hothardware.com/reviews/images/rad_9800_256/ash2_high.jpg

sebazve
08-29-03, 11:51 AM
cool then get 256:D version from what you say it is worth it

B&R
08-29-03, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Dazz
So how fast is 2.2Ns? 800MHz or 900MHz? Also 2.8ns is this 700MHz or 800MHz?

It is 900Mhz.

Do this if u want to find the ram speed. 1000/(2.2ns or watever) *2 to get the DDR speed(anyone correct me if wrong).

I think 9800np is the best deal out there. However 5600U is not a bad deal so go for a 5600U. The reason u get faster ram and if u want to upgrade soon then u wont feel "bad".

So I suggest u either wait or get a 9800np.

Malfunction
08-29-03, 12:57 PM
Woah Dazz,

Thanks for the pics dude! :D I think I just found out why I am getting a 256MB card and possibly that 9800Pro or R360 after all :D That detail is like night and day!

Peace,

:eek:

Dazz
08-29-03, 03:04 PM
Hmm just been looking and the card that has 256MB DDR ram seems to be clocked at 400/710MHz over the 128MB Standard 400/850MHz (enhanced mode 440/900MHz) :o

Dazz
08-29-03, 03:27 PM
JUst been looking at a site and the FX5900 256MB (400/710) and the FX5900 128MB (400/850) run pretty much excatly the same dispite the 4.4GB/sec bandwith diffrence :eek:

http://www.pconline.com.cn/pchardware/foreline/graphics/10308/pic/8_19%209xFXtab2.jpg

Also the managed to get it overclcoked to 500/900MHz :cool:
http://www.pconline.com.cn/pchardware/foreline/graphics/10308/207863_12.html
Could be me but it seems the FX cards are heavily fillrate limited.

john19055
08-29-03, 03:51 PM
If you want a card that going to play all the games at a decsent famerate, with all the goodies turn on ,like games that use P.S.2 then you would be better off getting a R9800 at least a R9600 the proof is already out there if you do alittle research.

Rogozhin
08-29-03, 08:12 PM
I don't quite believe that those shots are valid.


ATI is golden these days-can't go wrong.

rogo

Dazz
08-30-03, 03:25 AM
Infact they where taken from an 256MB Radeon review, and show high quality and very high quality mode. UT2003 support ultra high quality also but's it's not enabled though the menu you have to do it via system files. I tried it and got about 10fps on a Geforce 4 Ti4400 128MB :o

Dazz
08-30-03, 05:05 AM
Just wondering but does the Sapphire Radeon 9800 come with refrence cooling or their own cooling fan?

RipItup
08-30-03, 05:58 AM
I don't believe you get get a 900Mhz memory clock on 2.8ns chips, my estimate would be from 750-780Mhz ( default about 700). As you get higher they overclock less. I get 950Mhz on 2.2ns Hynix chips on a 5600U. I get 760 on a Gainward 5200U GS with 2.8ns.

I think the original review was at nordichardware and I think he was mistaken on the chips included on that review board he had, probably 2.2ns or 2.5ns.

Here's my results with varying speeds

4ns => 570Mhz
3.6ns => 648Mhz
3.3Mhz => 688Mhz
2.8Mhz => 760Mhz
2.2Mhz => 950Mhz

You are right that preformance goes down with high core and high mem clocks, but that doesn't mean you have to underclock the memory. My card at 450/950 is still faster than 450/900 . However when I go to 460 then I go down to 925 to hit the sweet spot.

If you wish to go 5900 I'd go for the GS 1200. But I'd wait for nv38 results or go 9800Pro now. Curcial in the Uk do one for 280.

Regards

Andy

Dazz
08-30-03, 06:14 AM
Been pricing.

256MB or 128MB Gainward FX5900 307 inc. S&H
128MB Sapphire 9800 + 3 LED blue 80mm fans + 512MB TwinMOS PC3200 294 inc. S&H.

I must say the 9800NP is looking like a sweet deal with the memory :)

Dazz
08-30-03, 08:15 AM
I have gone ahead and ordered the Radeon 9800 :)

ronin_razors
08-30-03, 09:06 AM
Daz, if its not too late cancel that order! The 5900 is coming down in price and its by far better than 9800!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1055388016068&skuId=5642904&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01151

ronin_razors
08-30-03, 09:08 AM
OK, I can see you're English, you can buy a 5900 from Dabs, see here;

http://www.dabs.com/products/compare.asp?action=search

Sazar
08-30-03, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by ronin_razors
Daz, if its not too late cancel that order! The 5900 is coming down in price and its by far better than 9800!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1055388016068&skuId=5642904&type=product&productCategoryId=cat01151

far better ?

Dazz
08-30-03, 11:16 AM
Just looked and they had a InnoVision FX 5900 128MB 250.
Might look for some review of the card.

http://www.ivmm.com/review/inno3d/3dvelocity_fx_5900_1.html
Doesn't seem to be a very good overclocker at all :o

RipItup
08-31-03, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Dazz
Been pricing.

256MB or 128MB Gainward FX5900 307 inc. S&H
128MB Sapphire 9800 + 3 LED blue 80mm fans + 512MB TwinMOS PC3200 294 inc. S&H.

I must say the 9800NP is looking like a sweet deal with the memory :)

Now that is a nice deal, I assume that is the one you went for ? Maybe I should do it also then flog the RAM for a few quid :D

Regards

Andy

Dazz
08-31-03, 05:23 AM
Yeah i did :) i should be gettering the stuff some time next week, later on i am buying the memory from my local shop which does 512MB TwinMOS PC3200 for 66 :) I got my PC2700 TwinMOS memory from there a while back and it's doing 2.5/3/3/8 400MHz which is the same specs as it is ment to do at PC2700 speeds :D Got my XP2500+ from there also, doing 2.2GHz 1.65v now but can do 2.4GHz to, but only at 1.8v :(

All this on a Volcano 7+, need some better cooling that doesn't use mounting holes. MSI seemed to of left them out :rolleyes: