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DanCanovas
08-29-03, 02:58 PM
today I took my comp round my mates. I have an Athlon XP 2500+, 512mb DDR333 RAM, Nforce2 mobo and a LEADTEK GEFORCE FX 5900 ULTRA. The Leadtek is running at 500mhz/942mhz. He has an Athlon XP 2500 with 200mhz FSB, 1024mb DDR400 RAM and a Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro running at 425/720. He gets 6200 3dmarks in 03 and I get 6000. We only run the first 4 tests and he says that ONLY the graphics card is tested! NOTHING ELSE! Have i just been ripped off?? Please help!

digitalwanderer
08-29-03, 03:02 PM
What's the problem? Your friend is right, 3dm2k3 is pretty much only a graphics test and the 9800 Pro is better at DX9.

You got ripped off if your whole reason for buying the card was to score well in 3dm2k3...how does it game?

Skuzzy
08-29-03, 03:34 PM
Dan, toss 3dmark out the window. The tests do not mean a thing anymore. They are pretty much worthless. All 3dmark shows is how well NVidia (they have put a lot of effort into it) and Ati can optimize for it. If your friend wants to play 3Dmark all day long, then let him go.

Play some games and see if you like it. If you bought the 5900U to be able to claim to have the fastest thing on the block, well...in some things it does ok, and in others, it is not ok.

DanCanovas
08-29-03, 03:39 PM
ok, you talk a lot of sense. Just a bit disappointed cos for 60 less, I could have got the 9800 Pro. I may RMA it and save myself that money. Its a lot of money to a poor student like me LOL! Ive been saving for 8 months for one of these cards!

Skuzzy
08-29-03, 03:48 PM
Video card purchases are a pretty personal purchase. In my opinion, the 9800Pro is the better product right now, only because the shader performance far outpaces what NVidia has to offer.
The 9800Pro has better anti-aliasing as well. The 5900U does have better anistrophic filtering, but it is done in the drivers, whereas the 9800Pro does it in hardware.

This is my opinion and everyone has one. Check the 9800Pro out that your friend has and see if you like the IQ, speed, and so on. If you do, then go for it. Seems simple enough.

john19055
08-29-03, 05:01 PM
In my opinion if you can get your money back and get a R9800pro then that would be the best thing to do,because when the newer games come out and uses more of the DX9 features like P.S. 2.0 then you will see a big difference in gameplay.and don't worry about your score in that benchmark 2003.

digitalwanderer
08-29-03, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by john19055
In my opinion if you can get your money back and get a R9800pro then that would be the best thing to do,because when the newer games come out and uses more of the DX9 features like P.S. 2.0 then you will see a big difference in gameplay.and don't worry about your score in that benchmark 2003.
Agreed. I didn't want to suggest it since I'd get flamed, but since you mentioned you're thinking about it you really may want to do a bit of research on it.

Hunt around the forums here and read some of the links about 'em, then you decide. :)

jimmyjames123
08-29-03, 05:48 PM
3dmark03 is system dependent to a certain extent. Your friend has faster RAM and twice as much RAM as you, which might have a slight effect. And don't forget that 3dmark03 scores change a bit every time you run it. Make sure that you guys are running everything at the exact same settings. On Futuremark's forum, the 5900 Ultra has the top spot over the Radeon 9800 Pro. Still, you and your friend are roughly only 3% apart in score, nothing to get excited about, especially in a synthetic benchmark.

ronin_razors
08-30-03, 10:22 AM
Dan, if your post is genuine then hang on to your 5900. ati may get by ok with a select number of dx9 games and they may have paid for sponsoring half life2 but ati sucks at opengl.

Your 5900 is by far better for Doom3, see the reviews here;
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1821&p=22

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDc0LDI=

Now imagine just how many mods there will be for Doom3.
Add to that the amount of games running on licenced versions of the engine.

The fact is the majority of games are written to be optimised for nvidia too, take a look here;
www.nvidia.com/nzone

You've made the right choice. In fact your friend should exchange his card for an GFX5900 too!

gokickrocks
08-30-03, 03:11 PM
just some added clarity...carmack said that the arb2 path was not working properly at the time

jimmyjames123
08-30-03, 03:45 PM
Also, wasn't Carmack talking about the older FX cards (such as the 5800 Ultra) with the older drivers? Clearly the newer 5900 Ultra with newer drivers is significantly better, especially with AA and AF enabled. I guess we will just need to wait and see what happens with the benchmarks.

Unit01
08-30-03, 05:01 PM
LOL he quoted doom3 benches LOL :D:D:D :p:p:p

stncttr908
08-30-03, 08:36 PM
I bet that the differences you'll find when you game is negligible between the cards. I wouldn't worry about a benchmark. I use that term loosely with 3dm2k3 anyway.

The Baron
08-30-03, 08:45 PM
As a means for comparing two different videocards, 3DMark is trash. Pure and simple trash. Not the developers' fault, to an extent, but they haven't taken nearly a hard enough line against driver cheats.

However, as a means of comparing an overclocked card to its stock speeds, 3DMark is pretty useful.

kmf
09-01-03, 05:19 AM
games nowadays have thier own benchmarking programs, i really dont see the point in using synthetic bm's much less pay for the crap. did you see how much they wanted for 3d mark03? who would pay that?